Is Wikipedia reliable source of information for you? I wouldn't rely on that info if I were you
Ukraine UKRAINE 2016 - Jamala - 1944
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Is Wikipedia reliable source of information for you? I wouldn't rely on that info if I were you
Carian
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Russia would have won, if it wasnt butchered by juries. Quite ironically, last year copycat with much worse graphic (which they had to change cuz of the copyright infringement) was judged by juries number 1, however, this year, somehow an improved and much better (undisputedly original and not stolen) version of the last year's winner (by the choice of the juries - don't forget this), is deemed only 5th place by juries. So, I am not buying these stories.
Quent91
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Also, I don't get why Ukraine wins with a song about WW2 and Staline, when France sends the same type of song the year before : a powerful song with a powerful and pertinent historical message about WW1 and German soldiers destroying a village and killing its people, and yet finishes in the 2nd last position...
Oh well, Ukraine wins just because it's Ukraine, you know...
Oh well, Ukraine wins just because it's Ukraine, you know...
QwaarJet
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Not undisputed at all. Many people would dispute what you said.
Carian
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Is Wikipedia reliable source of information for you? I wouldn't rely on that info if I were you
Well, Yulichka, almost every historical (or other scientific) article in Wikipedia has references to reliable sources of respected scholars. So, yes, Wikipedia is a reliable source of information. I am not sure how reliable is the Ukrainian version, but the English versions can be easily verified. So, I don't see where you are going with your questioning of Wikipedia.
Carian
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As long as he wasnt sued as Mans was, I think he had original and not stolen projection. As for the concept, well, we could discuss about this endlessly.
WhoKnows
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I was saying that because Austria's win was pretty "political".
Well, Yulichka, almost every historical (or other scientific) article in Wikipedia has references to reliable sources of respected scholars. So, yes, Wikipedia is a reliable source of information. I am not sure how reliable is the Ukrainian version, but the English versions can be easily verified. So, I don't see where you are going with your questioning of Wikipedia.
Really? There is information in wikipedia about Ukrainian nazi mistreating Russian girl? I have never heard of it, but I can tell you such stories that were done in Western Ukraine to Ukrainians by bolsheviks, the blood in your brain will boil. So please, dont teach me the history (or send me to wikipedia), my family is a part of that history, so I know better from here, than you from there through your selectively chosen information from unreliable source
We all know this song had nothing with 1944, this is all about 2014.
However, Jamala's vocal abilities are amazing, staging was great, but her song is cheap political propaganda. For me personally this is one of the worst, not only winning song, but songs on ESC history. EBU will punish Armenia cause their girl take Karabah flag (what was disgusting) , but Jamala can use political propaganda. I really hope we will not take a part next year.
And at the end, my winner of the night is Australia
Carian
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No, she, Conchita was made political for what she is, but her song was not political. Here I see a huge difference.
FilipFromSweden
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Oh, it is original but yet it is a version of something?
There shouldn't be a discussion about 1944 being a political, because it is. I don't say it is necessarily a political win, but it is definitely a political entry. 
Especially in a time with tensions between Russia and Ukraine.
Regardless if Jamala intended so and regardless the quality of the song.
Especially in a time with tensions between Russia and Ukraine.Regardless if Jamala intended so and regardless the quality of the song.
Carian
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Really? There is information in wikipedia about Ukrainian nazi mistreating Russian girl? I have never heard of it, but I can tell you such stories that were done in Western Ukraine to Ukrainians by bolsheviks, the blood in your brain will boil. So please, dont teach me the history (or send me to wikipedia), my family is a part of that history, so I know better from here, than you from there through your selectively chosen information from unreliable source
Dear, we all have, yet I am not singing about my family/ethnic/national pain in ESC... Besides, in wars, only common people suffer - on both sides that are involved in the conflict. So, I am not sure why your family or my family tragedy would be any more horrible than the family tragedy of my enemy. You know, we all have families and our stories...
Carian
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Oh, it is original but yet it is a version of something?
Of course, original in the sense that he won't get sued for too obviously taking over the idea of other artist and recreating it. Mans' little man was a copy, and no one can deny that, cuz if it wasn't he wouldnt have to change that graphic man. On the other hand, I didn't hear any such accusation regarding Sergey's projection.
Carian
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In another forum someone suggested that Ukraine should consider sending something like this next year
The guy simply great. I actually like it. I am off from here. Have fun all jamala fans and enjoy the moment.
The guy simply great. I actually like it. I am off from here. Have fun all jamala fans and enjoy the moment.
Sammy
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You may be right partially. But from the charisma and the performance, Lisa Angell was by far not as powerful as Jamala was. Also the staging was more impressive, than France last year (and I liked the french entry last year!)
LalehForWD
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Congrats Ukraine! Screamed of joy when Jamala took the trophy at the last superexciting minutes. Now you select The Hardkiss and let Julia take it home for that crushing 2 year in a row win! 
I agree, and this is the proof that people won't vote for alleged political entries if they're musically not that great or special (France 2015, Portugal 2011, etc.). Of course, a part of the voters surely voted for Ukraine for political motives, but some also found beauty in the music and performance.
Personally, I don't mix my political opinions with Eurovision songs - and even though I was moved by the message of the song - I supported it first and foremost because the music itself was in another league considering this year's lineup. It was art.
JimmyJump
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Well... i would rather have this as a winner than Australia tbh.
You don't want to sing about your family's tragedy? Your choice. Does it mean everyone should be like you and follow your steps? This is an invalid argument. Nobody tells you what you should do, therefore, it would be at least nice to respect other person's choice.
Some artists want to tell their stories through music even just to feel better, to heal. Their brain then tries to clear up the negative emotions about a tragedy so a person doesn't get psychologically traumatizes, you can follow her healing from the first semi-final of national selection and how she changed at the final. Many Ukrainians were complaining she lost a lot of emotion till the final. So you could at least sympathize her and think why she really composed this son and not judge her right away... Everybody heals in their own way, shouldn't be always the same way as you heal