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  • 12

    131 43.0%
  • 10

    36 11.8%
  • 8

    18 5.9%
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    12 3.9%
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    15 4.9%
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    8 2.6%
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    13 4.3%
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    10 3.3%
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    9 3.0%
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    39 12.8%

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GermanBango

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That's why I love good music so much - There is no universal message behind most of the songs. The listener has to decide on his own what he wants to read between the lines ... unfortunately, not everyone can handle that much "mental freedom".
I guess, we can all agree that "1944" is raw, emotional and very honest. It makes us feel something (no matter if it's a good or a bad feeling) and it makes us question certain things - that's a good thing if you ask me.
 

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Russia sends Eurovision entries that are in the spirit of Eurovision - recognising that politics ruins real life, so using Eurovision as an escape from that. Singing about peace with countries with whom they disagree during everyday life. That's why last year's Russian entry is one of the greatest songs in Eurovision history.

I wouldn't call lyrics to the effect of 'they came and they killed us' subtle lol ;)

The fact that I'm cool with Russia doesn't really have much to do with it - I like Ukraine, but I disagree with this entry. I would disagree if Russia sent an entry like it, say on Leningrad. Its all about Eurovision.

Ani Lorak is a classy lady who got Ukraine one of its best ever results.

Of course Ani Lorak is a classy lady. That's why she went to Russia to perform there while Russian people were killing Ukrainians in her own country.

I can't find anything right about your post. Not a single idea. :lol:
 

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Russia sends Eurovision entries that are in the spirit of Eurovision - recognising that politics ruins real life, so using Eurovision as an escape from that. Singing about peace with countries with whom they disagree during everyday life. That's why last year's Russian entry is one of the greatest songs in Eurovision history.

I wouldn't call lyrics to the effect of 'they came and they killed us' subtle lol ;)

The fact that I'm cool with Russia doesn't really have much to do with it - I like Ukraine, but I disagree with this entry. I would disagree if Russia sent an entry like it, say on Leningrad. Its all about Eurovision.

Ani Lorak is a classy lady who got Ukraine one of its best ever results.

Wait, Russia is sending entries in the "spirit of Eurovision"??? You gotta be kidding?... in fact it gives an extra bad taste when they purposely send entries about "peace" while invading their neighbors... I mean it's state-runned (Kremlin-controlled) television that is picking the entries for Russia and if you for a second think that the "peace entries" they sent come from a genuine pure mind, you are deluding yourself... I for one don't agree with your opinion here, it's tastless not classy... nor do I share your opinion about what Eurovision has to be about or music in general... However I do agree that Eurovision shouldn't be about politics and any obvious blatant attempts at propaganda or political points (as the examples I pointed out on the other page) shouldn't be allowed... however this is not the case though and I don't believe in censorhip because some might get "offended" by its supposed message...

I like Polina though, so this is not against her personally... this goes much deeper... she was just acting as a puppet for the broadcaster that's all... it being one of the greatest ESC entries ever? Well taste differs but imo it was just a standard ballad, nothing original or new, nor did it represent her as an artist.... but that's kind of irrelevant to this discussion.

I like Ani Lorak, the artist, and I thought she was classy before but acting as a traitor of your country is not classy imo... but that's off-topic really
 

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Of course Ani Lorak is a classy lady. That's why she went to Russia to perform there while Russian people were killing Ukrainians in her own country.

I can't find anything right about your post. Not a single idea. :lol:
I will defend Ani. Years ago (during ESC'08 even) she said she is a singer, not a politician. She represented you, not Russia.
For every Ukrainian singer the Russian music scene is the main target, am I right? Do you think she could left her career because of politics?
 

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I will defend Ani. Years ago (during ESC'08 even) she said she is a singer, not a politician. She represented you, not Russia.
For every Ukrainian singer the Russian music scene is the main target, am I right? Do you think she could left her career because of politics?

Every person should have a moral code, to support (indirectly) Yanukovych when he ordered to kill demonstrators, erased democracy and (he) stole money and then (Ani) goes to Russia and happily accept their paychecks and decline to even give any support to her own country (not even verbally) in a time when the former country is invading your own... sure people have careers... but this is just greed...
 

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I will defend Ani. Years ago (during ESC'08 even) she said she is a singer, not a politician. She represented you, not Russia.
For every Ukrainian singer the Russian music scene is the main target, am I right? Do you think she could left her career because of politics?

Of course. Ruslana's main target was always Russia. And Okean Elzy's. Of course.
 

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Every person should have a moral code, to support (indirectly) Yanukovych when he ordered to kill demonstrators, erase democracy and steal money and then go to Russia and happily accept their paychecks and decline to even give any support to your own country (not even verbally) in a time when the former country is invading your own... sure people have careers... but this is just greed...
She recorded "Flowers" ("Malviy"?) to support Ukraine, no?
 

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Of course. Ruslana's main target was always Russia. And Okean Elzy's. Of course.

Two of the most succesful Ukrainian acts and they don't even need Russian paychecks... I guess it's quite telling.

Sure, Russia is a big market for Ukrainian artists, but looking at some of the most succesful ones it's proven that you can have a big career without Russian market...

Tina Karol is another example of someone who has a steady career without Russia, and in fact Ani Lorak was more succesful when she stayed "Ukrainian"...
 

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She recorded "Flowers" ("Malviy"?) to support Ukraine, no?

Yes, she did a nice cover after being heavily critiziced, kind of damage control but what does it really mean in the end?

Look I don't want to hate on Ani, she's a very talented and beautiful lady and I enjoy much of her work, but I can still understand why lots of Ukrainians loath her now... she could have atleast tried to act more smoothly... I know she is relying on the Russian market for her career, but as discussed in previous posts she didn't have to do that really... this is her own choice in the end of the day.

Loboda is a Russian-speaking Ukrainian, but she's smart enough to not say anything on politics (eventhough I think she's more pro-Russian) and even with the Russian focus she never really had a breakthrough in Russia and is still heavily dependent on the Ukrainian market... which is a bit ironic since I guess she always wanted to be big in Russia...
 

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Yes, she did a nice cover after being heavily critiziced, kind of damage control but what does it really mean in the end?

Look I don't want to hate on Ani, she's a very talented and beautiful lady and I enjoy much of her work, but I can still understand why lots of Ukrainians loath her now... she could have atleast tried to act more smoothly... I know she is relying on the Russian market for her career, but as discussed in previous posts she didn't have to do that really... this is her own choice in the end of the day.
Still I think she couldn't do anything. She is a singer, she can talk and sing only. Like Ruslana, she speaks a lot and nothing really changes. She even said she will burn herself if they don't stop fighting. Didn't happen.

Sorry, it's very off topic but there is not any other place to discuss it.
 

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Still I think she couldn't do anything. She is a singer, she can talk and sing only. Like Ruslana, she speaks a lot and nothing really changes. She even said she will burn herself if they don't stop fighting. Didn't happen.

Sorry, it's very off topic but there is not any other place to discuss it.

Nothing really changed? Wow! Of course that you know much more about Ukraine than Ukrainians. Honey, you have no idea what you are talking about, so why don't you give us a break? Thank you! xqueenbitch
 

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Nothing really changed? Wow! Of course that you know much more about Ukraine than Ukrainians. Honey, you have no idea what you are talking about, so why don't you give us a break? Thank you! xqueenbitch
Ok that was not right. But what could Ani Lorak do? I remember she supported your country in an open letter.
 

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Russia sends Eurovision entries that are in the spirit of Eurovision - recognising that politics ruins real life, so using Eurovision as an escape from that. Singing about peace with countries with whom they disagree during everyday life. That's why last year's Russian entry is one of the greatest songs in Eurovision history.

I wouldn't call lyrics to the effect of 'they came and they killed us' subtle lol ;)

The fact that I'm cool with Russia doesn't really have much to do with it - I like Ukraine, but I disagree with this entry. I would disagree if Russia sent an entry like it, say on Leningrad. Its all about Eurovision.
So you don't want singers to show their personal stories by their artistry in Eurovision? I love bubblegum pop but it can't be sun and dance everyday, especially in an invaded country.
 

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арлекино, арлекино нужно быть смешным для всех :lol:

every time see you i sing that song :lol:


:lol::lol:

I didn't know with what username to register here and somehow I remembered about this song and I said to myself "it's gotta be arlekino". :lol:
 

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So you don't want singers to show their personal stories by their artistry in Eurovision? I love bubblegum pop but it can't be sun and dance everyday, especially in an invaded country.

This

If every song was about love and world piece then this contest would be extremely boring.
 

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This

If every song was about love and world piece then this contest would be extremely boring.

If this had happened, then we could simply rename ESC Miss World. You know... And I wish peace and love in this world for everyone :mrgreen:
 

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So you don't want singers to show their personal stories by their artistry in Eurovision? I love bubblegum pop but it can't be sun and dance everyday, especially in an invaded country.
It doesn't have to be sun and dance, it can be misery but non-political misery.


If people like this song musically then I'm cool with that, to me it has some very good qualities and some bad ones, hence why I rank it about middle-of-the-road. My problem is that it is part of the anti-Russia bandwagon and suits the Eurogays to have an entry like this, you know, people that that cheered on Russia 10 years ago but now boo them every year because it's the popular thing to do/media told them to do so... Do you think they even care about the events 1944? No, shamefully, they don't give a damn. In fact I'll say now that most of them probably never heard of it till now.

It's understandable for Russia/Ukraine to have strong feelings against each other at the moment, but like I said it should be kept out of Eurovision.

As for the rest of Europe, well the attitude towards Russia is a load of bull stirred up by people wanting to distract us from the true evil and the mess they've left us in. It's a well known tactic of failed persons to use an easy foreign target to distract the people from the true happenings. It doesn't in the least bit surprise me when I see certain people here lapping up it up, but when I see the likes of A-lister following it too I get worried ;)

I support both Russia and Ukraine, they're two of my favourite countries at Eurovision, so I wish for them both to partake in Eurovision with the same commitment they did in the past. I don't want them to lower themselves to sending entries trying to score cheap shots against each other.

I accept the EBU's decision so I listen to 1944 with no bias against it, but it's still not what I want from a great country like Ukraine :)
 
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