The Netherlands THE NETHERLANDS 2019 - Duncan Laurence - Arcade

[Lilly]

Why are you all talking about the reactions on a YouTube video in here for pages at length, all while consequently trashing the Dutch song and feeling all superior to whoever commented on YouTube? Why is that okay?

It’s kind of mirror behavior!
Copy and paste I think. They should react on that video instead of here.
You and I, and Duncan are not responsible for all the shit that happens on the internet!

 

[BorisBubbles]

I mean hate on Arcade if you must, that only further builds the hypetrain (Hatrid mun sigra, after all)

Personally I'm just baffled by the overreaction. I love the song, but not intensely. Arcade currently rests at #9 on my ranking, 100% down to Duncan's voice. Love it, but you have to connect with it. Many people do not. That's bound to happen. Accept it and move on.

That said I also cannot believe anyone can muster enough anti-Arcade sentiment to bitch about it incessantly, like, what is there even to hate? Oh it's boring. I dunno but, if something is boring I just ignore it lol.

But if combatativeness is the correct attitude, okay! Excuse me while I waltz over to the Germany topic and lecture the S!sters fans about themselves (that they stan mediocrity, have no self-respect, they should love themselves and aspire for higher and finally that ~loving Sister is a losing game~). See ya in a bit!!

 

[Lilly]

Even here they bully...my advice: take a look at yourself first, some comments up here are not better then reactions on some videos.
It’s like a domino effect and at the end of this discussion the comments become very nasty and they even can’t see it... it’s painfull to see that!

 

[midnightsun]

Maybe, he will be naked and swim around

THAT is something I would very appreciate though!

 

[midnightsun]

Excuse me while I waltz over to the Germany topic and lecture the S!sters fans about themselves (that they stan mediocrity, have no self-respect, they should love themselves and aspire for higher and finally that ~loving Sister is a losing game~).

What!
You‘re saved by the bell. Belgium has -again - an excellent song this year so I can’t throw shade on you!

 

[BorisBubbles]

What!
You‘re saved by the bell. Belgium has -again - an excellent song this year so I can’t throw shade on you!

Hmmm, that's fine. You can live, provided you don't spread it beyond the Germany topic .

 

[aef]

Feels like it really is the obvious winner now (before knowing the staging of course) - it's getting amazing reactions from like 80% of fans and people from outside the bubble...

 

[Alaska49]

Why are you all talking about the reactions on a YouTube video in here for pages at length, all while consequently trashing the Dutch song and feeling all superior to whoever commented on YouTube? Why is that okay?

not that anybody is even trashing the song here but there IS a huge difference between trashing the song and trashing PEOPLE who like or dislike the song lol i didn't think that needed an explanation

Feels like it really is the obvious winner now (before knowing the staging of course) - it's getting amazing reactions from like 80% of fans and people from outside the bubble...

people outside the bubble absolutely do not exist until the day of the shows. after gabbani didn't win despite apparent huge outside-the-bubble appeal we really can't trust that for shit lol.

 

[aef]

people outside the bubble absolutely do not exist until the day of the shows. after gabbani didn't win despite apparent huge outside-the-bubble appeal we really can't trust that for shit lol.

Okay so you're right, this is always quite a hard thing to say but my family loves and they are VERY critical to like 90% of Eurovision songs and I also showed a bunch of songs to various friends and they also said it's "artistic", "atmospheric" etc.

 

[Leydan]

Okay so you're right, this is always quite a hard thing to say but my family loves and they are VERY critical to like 90% of Eurovision songs and I also showed a bunch of songs to various friends and they also said it's "artistic", "atmospheric" etc.

Maybe so, but I have people going the opposite way. One example, I showed my mum it and it completely washed over her, she had to watch it twice and even then didn't form an opinion of it as it left no impression and she forgot it almost immediately. To me, no opinion is worse than a bad opinion. Such opinions of a few select people we know are irelevent. It's like asking people how they will vote in an election but only asking 4 people.

 

[Alaska49]

Okay so you're right, this is always quite a hard thing to say but my family loves and they are VERY critical to like 90% of Eurovision songs and I also showed a bunch of songs to various friends and they also said it's "artistic", "atmospheric" etc.

but we have a good idea of what our family and friends like so we know what to show them and it causes a confirmation bias. example: every year i mention eurovision now and then to my kpop and jpop-loving younger brother and when it gets to portugal he goes "but is it better than suzy???" because obviously in 2014 i was all "omg look at this ICON" and it was the one time he actually cared about it lmao. unless we show all 41 songs we can't really know anything and even then it's still kind of a biased information.

 

[Leydan]

"but is it better than suzy???" because obviously in 2014 i was all "omg look at this ICON"

the Suzy scale. I'm going to start measuring every song by it to decide whether it's worth my time or not. Mea Culpa would have been higher on the Suzy scale for me in 2014 though x

 

[pepe C]

Maybe we shouldn't trust the answers of our families and friends what the favourites are, but the various polls. And those point all in a similar direction. How that will work out in May still remains to be seen of course. There is not enough material of Duncan online to really form an opinion about his stage presence. And we have to wait for how it will be brought on stage. (I am not one of those who thinks mr. Pannecoucke is the one we should blame for the failures of some songs. Sennek failed because she was simply too amateurish and Waylon because of his unlikeable self.)

 

[BorisBubbles]

but we have a good idea of what our family and friends like so we know what to show them and it causes a confirmation bias. example: every year i mention eurovision now and then to my kpop and jpop-loving younger brother and when it gets to portugal he goes "but is it better than suzy???" because obviously in 2014 i was all "omg look at this ICON" and it was the one time he actually cared about it lmao. unless we show all 41 songs we can't really know anything and even then it's still kind of a biased informstion.

Truth. Yours truly managed to convince his mother to LOVE 'O Jardim' and 'Hvala Ne!' by explaining what the songs were about before she heard either of them, which allowed her to connect with them through the language barrier. She still formed her own opinions organically (she hated Israel and France because appearance-shaming runs in the family I guess, and loved Czechia and Austria, which are all opinions I do not agree with), but it did have a minor effect. I am not immune to this myself; If a friend (or poster, idk) whom I know has good Eurovision tastes (dis)likes a certain song I haven't heard yet, I tend to look at that song from that same perspective.

This also applies to live commentary btw: I have heard that the Polish commentator LOVED City Lights and sold it to the Polish audience, enough for Blanche to win their televote in the middle of Salvadormania.

Showing songs you like to others means nothing about those songs successes unless you're not telling them anything in advance. Otherwise you're just creating expectations which most of the time will be met, as I'm sure your family and friends trust your taste enough to take it into account in their judgment.

 

[RainyWoods]

Why are you all talking about the reactions on a YouTube video in here for pages at length, all while consequently trashing the Dutch song and feeling all superior to whoever commented on YouTube? Why is that okay?

Because someone posted the reaction video, I watched it and then decided to write about how unpleasant I find this portion of the fan community to be. A portion who can come from any country by the way (not just The Netherlands). These types of fans keep me away from posting on youtube, as well as uploading there.

It’s kind of mirror behavior!
Copy and paste I think. They should react on that video instead of here.
You and I, and Duncan are not responsible for all the shit that happens on the internet!

Even here they bully...my advice: take a look at yourself first, some comments up here are not better then reactions on some videos.
It’s like a domino effect and at the end of this discussion the comments become very nasty and they even can’t see it... it’s painfull to see that!

If I wanted to copy and paste their behavior I'd be hopping from thread to thread looking for trouble, telling people they have no taste unless they agree with me, and I'd be insulting appearances and house decor too whilst I'm at it. How should we react to these people? Ignore them? Hand out roses in the hope that they change? People that behave in this way know what they're doing and add a sour taste to my Eurovision experience each year, and I'm sure I don't speak alone here. It doesn't make me or anyone else a bully for highlighting the obnoxiousness and cruel behavior that exists.

And actually some people from here did comment on the video. Hi at the beautiful [MENTION=16089]anaraqueen[/MENTION]

 

[Alaska49]

i do think they were talking about people who don't like the song and said so while discussing the youtube thing, but still............ sometimes people don't like the entry of your country, and it's fine? sometimes they will be really outspoken about how they don't like the entry and it's fine, as long as it is about the entry? entries don't have feelings, people have feelings. you can't compare people badmouthing an entry to direct harassment of someone who didn't like it.

 

[aef]

but we have a good idea of what our family and friends like so we know what to show them and it causes a confirmation bias. example: every year i mention eurovision now and then to my kpop and jpop-loving younger brother and when it gets to portugal he goes "but is it better than suzy???" because obviously in 2014 i was all "omg look at this ICON" and it was the one time he actually cared about it lmao. unless we show all 41 songs we can't really know anything and even then it's still kind of a biased information.

I mean it's clear that these "I showed it to x... and y... and they really liked/ hated it" arguments are quite nonsense in the end. But as for my case I'm talking about people that are definitely not in to Eurovision at all like we are, they don't even watch every year or every final show in full length. So they I'd say they aren't that pre-biased through having big Eurovision favourites from the past or even just remembering that many songs from previous years...

So before Eurovision I sometimes ask them about their opinion on certain songs, especially the favourites. I mean analyzing it concerning possible results is bullshit, I know. But sometimes they are quit right, sometimes they aren't right at all of course.

 

[crashworld]

New acoustic version of the song, actually it's just with the piano.
I think the song could have an extended version. For an emotional ballad, 3 mins is way too short.

 

[Gera11]

Woah, Duncan is a really good performer. His live performances really elevate the song and they are giving it an aura of intimacy and emotion. Changing my 10 to a 12 and boom: slowly drifting towards the hype train

 

[HayashiM]

Ok, this version is much much much better. I finally feel some real emotion, maybe because this is simpler and those chords just come up so much better on a piano.

I still don't get the hype and I am afraid that a simple piano + Duncan is not what they will be going for in Israel. But at least I am not mad at the Netherlands anymore.