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GWTW1939

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Italy's draw could have gone either way. The EBU knew that when they made the ranking. Italy were at risk of missing out because of it. Sweden on the other hand were given a very comfortable draw tailored specifically to the song. It just goes to show how much the EBU wanted a Swedish victory

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Adding to the hurt against Italy they put Il Volo as close to the other hot favorite in that half, Polina Gagarina, as possible. EBU was hoping the biggest female vocalist near the biggest male vocalists would cancel each other out. Sweden fans are living in denial xshrug
 

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Are you really denying that your country has not been favored at all in the last 3 years :?

Everything Sweden gets is exactly as Bjorkman wishes....they never have to suck it up like other countries do and accept want they are dealt with because they always get what they want
 

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Are you really denying that your country has not been favored at all in the last 3 years :?

Everything Sweden gets is exactly as Bjorkman wishes....they never have to suck it up like other countries do and accept want they are dealt with because they always get what they want

In what way have we been favored?
 

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Well maybe Sweden's favored by the running order but it clearly didn't stop Italy from winning the televote. xshrug So I don't see what that has to do with the discussion about the voting system being fair or not.
 

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Are you really denying that your country has not been favored at all in the last 3 years :?

Everything Sweden gets is exactly as Bjorkman wishes....they never have to suck it up like other countries do and accept want they are dealt with because they always get what they want

Agree with this, Sweden is very much top dog when it comes to this competition now, and you can be sure they'll try and engineer a Denmark/Norway win next year like they did with Denmark before.
 

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Agree with this, Sweden is very much top dog when it comes to this competition now, and you can be sure they'll try and engineer a Denmark/Norway win next year like they did with Denmark before.

I was going to say what about an Iceland win (they have never won!) but I'm sure Bjorkman is pissed off that the Icelandic people jumped to the Italy ship so most likely Denmark/Norway/Finland again :lol:

Il Volo stopped quite a number of the normal 12 point exchanges that we usually see :cool:
 

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So next year other scandinavian country will win + in melodifestivalen 2nd chance will win ?
 

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Adding to the hurt against Italy they put Il Volo as close to the other hot favorite in that half, Polina Gagarina, as possible. EBU was hoping the biggest female vocalist near the biggest male vocalists would cancel each other out. Sweden fans are living in denial xshrug

Thank you for this post. Way before the running was released, I knew Sweden wouldn't be among the first five countries to perform, early slots are now meant for others since the EBU can fix whatever they want, and it's never to the detriment of some countries in particular. To be honest, I wasn't expecting them to try to screw the rest of the favourites... I'm shocked about what they did to Slovenia and Estonia, it's ok to allocate favourites to 1st and 4th slots as long as they're not well considered. Same for the very late slots of Russia and Italy drown in the indigestible end of the show, when people are supposed to start being fed up with the songs.

On the contrary, of all the favourites out there, Sweden had all the advantages: 10th slot out of 13, surrounded by two very slow songs and got that personalized break that always make people pay attention to the following act. For a second, I felt like someone got a special treatment, my imagination certainly :rolleyes:

Despite their respective unfortunate starting positions, Russia and Italy made it to the top without any help, I wouldn't say the same for Sweden sadly. Again, I've nothing against Sweden in Eurovision, I've liked lots of your entries in the past but it should be noted that, with Jon Ola, Björkman and all these people working in the contest, I find it hard not to imagine there may be conflicts of interest, which show through decided running order and disproportionate juries' power. Beyond all the fuss that the differences in televoting/juries voting stir, the situation benefited Sweden eventually. Maybe it's coincidence? Or is that country just very lucky? Considering these factors and the actual act, sorry to say but I didn't exactly hold my breath when Mans's victory was announced.
 

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Wow, this is very interesting, I have mixed feelings about the juries. I do find it unfair that Italy did not win because of the juries, and I find the difference with Sweden quite significant (around 80 points). I found the songs on an equal level. I know Sweden had a great act, but Italy's act matched their song and because of that I did not find one better than the other.
But on the other hand, it would be absolutely crazy if Albania would get 88 points with her awful horrifying vocals. Which is the same amount as Latvia, which really deserved the 186 points imo (if not more than that).

Overall I would say I'm a little more positive about the 50% jury / 50% televoting in comparison to the 100% televoting. But it's always, at least in Italy's case, hard to see the winner of televoting not winning because of the juries...
 

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I think that they have to do some changes. I'm not saying this 'cause I'm :it: and bla bla bla, but 'cause I saw the results of our jury and televote and it's shameful (like in 2013 with Cezar, although I hated that song).

:al: has been the favourite of our viewers who decided to vote (it was obvious 'cause there are many albanians here in Italy but at the same time she is the winner of The Voice of Italy)... but only 25th (:?) for our jurors. I think that EBU must introduce a rule to protect the winner of the televote in each country (no matter who is!) 'cause people PAY to vote and their decisions deserve respect, 'cause this show belong to the viewers first of all!
 

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When Yohio failed to win Melodifestivalen 2013 because of juries, Swedes moaned about how unfair it was. But now they are saying that Mans won fair and square. Double standards.
 

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People keep going on about televoting winners usually winning instead of jury winners but there's a big different guys.

The jury only consists of 5 people, often representing the same power (well, more actually, since they are ranked) than up to millions, depending on the country. Is it really fair that the people who all pay money to vote for their favourite act should be considered less important than the jury, which consists of 5 so called "professionals" who half the time rarely seem that professional to be honest?

I think it's ridiculous that Sweden only came THIRD in the televoting, yet won this year. Italy really should've won, I didn't care for Italy's act initally, I did prefer it over Sweden but I preferred Russia's actually. Before people complain disapora, really, does Italy actually have that much friendly bias? They didn't seem to get any last year..and I'd argue big time that Russia's massive amount of points has nothing to do with it being Russia, since Russia got high points from many countries who, to be honest, don't really like Russia all too much.

Apparently the jury votes worked differently before until recently? If the old method was more fair we should go to that. In general the jury and televoting agree, maybe we should have a safenet for the winner of the televoting (I'd argue the winner is *never* the winner because of country bias, I agree that mid spots can be horrible country bias, like Albania this year possibly, but people in general will vote for the song they love, not the country. As shown by Italy doing badly last year, but great this year, etc), so that the winner of the televoting always wins the whole thing, so it feels more like people's votes matter, meaning that the dispora for the high-mid range acts are lessed *a bit* by the juries (as juries have been shown to be pretty biased too), whilst the winner is still the one the people of Europe chose. I've yet to think of a year where if the televoting winner won that people would complain.
 

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When Yohio failed to win Melodifestivalen 2013 because of juries, Swedes moaned about how unfair it was. But now they are saying that Mans won fair and square. Double standards.

Surprisingly enough, swedes represent a variety of different opinions; and just like today, some complained and some said You won fair and square. Some are pro jury, some aren't. Simple as that.
 

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I just CAN'T BELIEVE that people are saying stuff like "Italy only won televoting because of draw + fame of the group" - they got 366 POINTS!!! That's a higher televoting score than your precious "Euphoria", and if someone here said that "it wouldn't have won from draw #2" they would be ridiculed and laughed at.

366 is the 2nd highest televoting score in ESC history (and 2009 had 2 extra countries). Not only is it the clear winner of 2015, it is possibly THE MOST LIKED ESC ENTRY EVER, and the fact that juries killed it in favour of a Swedish, boring, generic radio pop makes me wanna puke tbh
 

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24 hours passed and I am still bombing xgaah fuckingvision
 

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I just CAN'T BELIEVE that people are saying stuff like "Italy only won televoting because of draw + fame of the group" - they got 366 POINTS!!! That's a higher televoting score than your precious "Euphoria", and if someone here said that "it wouldn't have won from draw #2" they would be ridiculed and laughed at.

366 is the 2nd highest televoting score in ESC history (and 2009 had 2 extra countries). Not only is it the clear winner of 2015, it is possibly THE MOST LIKED ESC ENTRY EVER, and the fact that juries killed it in favour of a Swedish, boring, generic radio pop makes me wanna puke tbh

This is why it makes no sense, the juries have essentially favoured a trashy song that'll go out of fashion as quick as it has come into fashion over real musical entries. Shocking.
 

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The whole thing backfired on the EBU. They fixed the draw the best they could and to their shock it still didn't happen like they wanted.

They threw both Italy and Russia under the bus putting them at the very end of the show near each other. They never dreamed the televoters would ever think of voting a pop-opera entry the winner (and by such a landside too!), so it gave them the excuse to mark it down. They never dreamed Western Europe would embrace Russia this year as much as they did in such a social climate. They thought televoters would give the safe chart friendly pop song the unanimous landside just as they had the jury do.

Despite everything they tried televoters didn't buy into it. They preferred the Italian boys singing a cheesy non-English romantic song and the Russian girl with the big voice over the over choreographed Swede and his led gnomes...... and not just by a little but by a lot too. Their probably confused as hell over it.
 

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and some said You won fair and square.


With all respect, a country that gets only 3 sets of 12, with 2 coming from neighbors, cant win fair over a coutry that received millions of votes throughout whole Europe.
 

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With all respect, a country that gets only 3 sets of 12, with 2 coming from neighbors, cant win fair over a coutry that received millions of votes throughout whole Europe.

I didn't argue against you, I just enlightened you that some people considered Robin Stjernberg's victory with the song You back in MF 2013 was a fair win since he won according to the rules. Some think it wasn't, just like in this case. You talk about swedes like we're one, big united hive mind, which we are not. Opinion differs.
 
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