Televoting Results.

[Krishoes]

Well people are saying the same thing about Sweden. What's different? That's less hilarous?

It's stupid 'cause there are two perfect songs for the jury according to me and according to the rules of the juries. I don't agree with who criticizes your song, it's not shocking that won with the Eurovision juries, it has been a perfect performance in every way

 

[eugoose]

Once again I totally see you point. The problem I have is that people are saying Italy was robbed by the juries. And they can't see how some juries could put it so low. Italian juries didn't like it then it would't be a surprise and hard to understand.

Again, it comes down to the fact that Eurovision is a 'people's' contest. In the past, prior to televoting, people aren't exactly attached to the contest as they are now. But it has evolved to be a contest that is based on the will of the people. After all, a lot of the national finals asks people to vote for who should represent them.

So this whole fiasco is more about people feeling frustrated that their decision was overruled. Now, as I said, there is not Man's fault, and it shouldn't detract from Sweden's win, but I can understand why people feel outraged.

It kind of reminds me of Melodifestivalen 2008 when the jury carried Charlotte to the win. Of course, we ultimately accepted it, but a lot of people were pissed (myself included) at how our decision to send Sanna was overruled.

 

[r3gg13]

So this whole fiasco is more about people feeling frustrated that their decision was overruled. Now, as I said, there is not Man's fault, and it shouldn't detract from Sweden's win, but I can understand why people feel outraged.

You hit the nail right on the head. People like [their choices] being validated, this is a prime example of what happens when they don't.

 

[SuperGirl]

It's stupid 'cause there are two perfect songs for the jury according to me and according to the rules of the juries. I don't agree with who criticizes your song, it's not shocking that won with the Eurovision juries, it has been a perfect performance in every way

I know I'm very bad against Italy. I'm sorry for that. But I'm so sick of the people that bash my country every year. I love ESC but sometimes it feel like I would say sorry to Sweden even exist.

But believe me when I understand the Italy fans point about the voting. I still don't see a better voting system than 50/50. I just wish they go back too the old 59/50.

I would have accept a victory for any other country. Last year I was so superhappy with Sanna's results. But after ESC I heard comments about: "I'm so happy Sweden didn't won"ect. Every year we hear I hope Sweden will not win because they won recently, they are so cocky, it's so boring with only Sweden, Sweden and Sweden ect.

It feels there's so much bitterness, hate that against Sweden that haven't to do about our entries.

 

[eugoose]

You hit the nail right on the head. People like [their choices] being validated, this is a prime example of what happens when they don't.

In a couple of months, people will forget this once the venue is being decided.

I know I'm very bad against Italy. I'm sorry for that. But I'm so sick of the people that bash my country every year. I love ESC but sometimes it feel like I would say sorry to Sweden even exist.

But believe me when I understand the Italy fans point about the voting. I still don't see a better voting system than 50/50. I just wish they go back too the old 59/50.

I would have accept a victory for any other country. Last year I was so superhappy with Sanna's results. But after ESC I heard comments about: "I'm so happy Sweden didn't won"ect. Every year we hear I hope Sweden will not win because they won recently, they are so cocky, it's so boring with only Sweden, Sweden and Sweden ect.

It feels there's so much bitterness, hate that against Sweden that haven't to do about our entries.

Yes, there is a lot of bitterness with Sweden although I wouldn't call it bitterness, more like...mild jealousy. Sweden tends to produce really good acts (especially recently) and people hate the 'goody two shoe nation that always sends good acts'. Also, it's cause they want more variety, and it would be nice for the contest to move around a bit.

I will say however, I will never forgive Sweden this year for it's shameful, shameful act of eliminating Ellen Benediktson so early. T()

 

[Krishoes]

You know, is a particular nation when we talk about Eurovision. You love this contest more than anybody in Europe, I think, and in the last years you choose perfect songs for the win (good voices, good melodies, contemporary songs, amazing stagings), I think that every result is deserved.

I can get why is so much hated, but it's not fair and I can assure you that there are many many many eurofans who loves in every way (and they are not swedish). I have many italian friends (I can tell their names too Michele, Alessio, Davide and so on) who are totally in love with in Eurovision. There are two italian Eurovision sites dedicated to Sweden, you can understand that maybe at the moment is the most Eurovisionist nation in Europe and many people can bash on them only for this reason.

But I'm so happy that the next year we'll be there 'cause knows how to organize a perfect contest (I know, many people will read this and will say "Are you crazy?", I read many critics on the ESC 2013 but I just loved it!), my country is not able to do such a perfect job today.

Don't feel sad about the hatred, keep on thinking to the love for on the other hand, it's clear there is this too. The success of Heroes shows us that people mostly like the song. A 3rd place in televoting is actually good! And everybody in the press center was hoping that won when the race was only for two nations. You are a passionate girl like me, but everybody has their opinions, and we cannot do anything to change it!

 

[Uto]

It feels there's so much bitterness, hate that against Sweden that haven't to do about our entries.

Look at the voting and you'll see that Sweden is very much loved. That said, I think a lot of the 'hate' exists because Sweden will always have pretty much the same boring old package. It's your average pop song which has all the bells and whistles performed by a good singer and world class staging to sell the thing. It's that consistency which makes it look rather cookie-cutter and basically very 'plastic', even though for Sweden I think this is what they would deem authentic.

 

[blein]

So juries... killed entry(in semi1 and final) and
144(televote)-53(jury) = -91 points
366(televote)-171(jury) = -195 points...
One question > Why?

 

[paddyirl]

Look at the voting and you'll see that Sweden is very much loved. That said, I think a lot of the 'hate' exists because Sweden will always have pretty much the same boring old package. It's your average pop song which has all the bells and whistles performed by a good singer and world class staging to sell the thing. It's that consistency which makes it look rather cookie-cutter and basically very 'plastic', even though for Sweden I think this is what they would deem authentic.

I've loved so many Swedish entries in the past but this year it did seem contrived and cookie cutter, the song, the guy, the PR team to make the comments go away, it all seemed fake. If Alcazar where doing that same type of song and performance I wouldn't consider it fake because they seem authentic, nothing about Mans seems real.

 

[DanielLuis]

So juries... killed entry(in semi1 and final) and
144(televote)-53(jury) = -91 points
366(televote)-171(jury) = -195 points...
One question > Why?

That is something I really don't get, why the juries underrted so much, especially in the semi-final, where they only ranked them 10th!

 

[GWTW1939]

They probably had someone whispering in the ears commonlinnetscopycat commonlinnetscopycat

and once they got that idea in their heads they never let it go

 

[Alaska49]

as rigged out of top place as italy was I'm actually more concerned about what happened to albania, serbia and others - all very different entries, all had some televote success, all were mercilessly murdered by juries... and all were eastern european. italy and finland aside, the jury was only harsh to eastern european countries. it looks shady and only reinforces the image that some people have of an elaborate scandinavian conspiracy going on.

i don't think there IS a conspiracy, but i do think there is prejudice against eastern europe because of perceived "block voting" (which nowadays western europe engages more in) and "diasporas" (which are only remembered when said countries do well and conveniently not mentioned when they bomb), to the point where those countries's juries actively bomb their neighbours so they look "legit" (lithuanian jury bombing russia for example). that's sad, that's way more political than eurovision ever was in the 00s, and that should STOP. even if it means a russian victory *shudders*

 

[blein]

Also from my view it doesnt look like italy has 366 points in televoting... they are not so popular in (youtube)(itunes)(betting)(any chart)(fan voting).. mby in real russia had 366 points and all those voting fails was to make fake result?

 

[Alaska49]

grande amore is doing second best in youtube views (the performance ones because the video has over 20 million views) and itunes, losing only to heroes because winners get more attention. it was third in the odds (second until russia performed in semi 1). it won the ogae fan vote. i don't know what you're talking about.

 

[ElRuso]

Two songs with more than 50% televoting support, didnt receive anything. Every vote counts?

 

[blein]

grande amore is doing second best in youtube views (the performance ones because the video has over 20 million views) and itunes, losing only to heroes because winners get more attention. it was third in the odds (second until russia performed in semi 1). it won the ogae fan vote. i don't know what you're talking about.

Dont count vevo shit plz .. all those views coming from usa.

 

[Quent91]

Two songs with more than 50% televoting support, didnt receive anything. Every vote counts?

This why we NEED THE JURIES.

 

[ElRuso]

This why we NEED THE JURIES.

To make sure, that a song with less than 3% of televoting supports will get 1st place?

 

[FilipFromSweden]

To make sure, that a song with less than 3% of televoting supports will get 1st place?

In a 50/50 voting system that's how it works

 

[Krishoes]

Before 2015 nothing happened and this system was good. For the majority, at least. Now the system showed that they must fix something, 'cause if you call for the public choice, you want people money, and then juries destroy everything (I'm not talking only about but we had many different cases this year) something must change. And this is not a problem of the "italian losers", I'm reading many different articles in Europe about that. We can only hope for a better change, that's it.