Televoting Results.

[Haverdge]

I just CAN'T BELIEVE that people are saying stuff like "Italy only won televoting because of draw + fame of the group" - they got 366 POINTS!!! That's a higher televoting score than your precious "Euphoria", and if someone here said that "it wouldn't have won from draw #2" they would be ridiculed and laughed at.

366 is the 2nd highest televoting score in ESC history (and 2009 had 2 extra countries). Not only is it the clear winner of 2015, it is possibly THE MOST LIKED ESC ENTRY EVER, and the fact that juries killed it in favour of a Swedish, boring, generic radio pop makes me wanna puke tbh

Wow, that's completely insane. I never thought of it that way. It makes me angrier that ESC is not going to be in Italy.

 

[FilipFromSweden]

With all respect, a country that gets only 3 sets of 12, with 2 coming from neighbors, cant win fair over a coutry that received millions of votes throughout whole Europe.

Sweden won fair and square and that's it. We've had the jury system since 2013, a bit late to complain now. If you're gonna complain then complain at EBU and the jury system, not Sweden who won fair and square.
[MENTION=13474]Mlyn[/MENTION] you said you would leave the forum if Sweden won?

 

[ElRuso]

Sweden won fair and square and that's it. We've had the jury system since 2013, a bit late to complain now. If you're gonna complain then complain at EBU and the jury system, not Sweden who won fair and square.

[MENTION=13474]Mlyn[/MENTION] you said you would leave the forum if Sweden won?

Morally it is not fair

 

[LoveHate]

I'm certainly not blaming Sweden, or thinking the winner should be changed. That's just silly, because they won according to the current rules. BUT, the system is flawed and should be changed in order to prevent similar situations in the future. I really don't see the point with juries because not only do they give friendly votes like the viewers, but "unfriendly votes" as well. Their ability to sabotage (e.g. UK jury last year with Poland, Lithuanian jury this year with Russia, Armenia & Azerbaijan to each other every year) is far from fair play. The problem is of course highlighted by the fact that a landslide victory in televotes got Italy a third place.

 

[GRE]

This is quite strange,
from the moment the ranking system & the draw from the producers started (2013),
we have 2/3 Nordic victories.

 

[Sabrewulf238]

Are there split results for the Semis? All I've been able to find are the split results for the final....

 

[Tjipptjopp]

It's on wikipedia.

 

[Mattan]

In what way have we been favored?

Two years in a row, Sweden has sent performances that require - or are claimed to require - more time than what's allowed to set up. Two years in a row, Sweden has been given a spot after a break (thus avoiding spots like 2 or 3) instead of the EBU putting their foot down and requiring Sweden to comply with the given time frame. Imagine if 40 countries brought Sanna Nielsen lights on stage and said they needed more time to set them up… Doesn't really seem like an issue to do so next year given the history, but I don't think the organizers would be very happy about it.

Whether or not it's affected the results, and if it has, by how much, is up for debate, but getting rewarded for doing something that shouldn't be done, two years in a row, is favouring.

 

[Tjipptjopp]

Keep juries but make the winner of televote the real winner. So after all points are give we will have to see if the winner actually is the winner or if someone else is! It will be an exciting end of the show!

 

[FilipFromSweden]

This is quite strange,
from the moment the ranking system & the draw from the producers started (2013),
we have 2/3 Nordic victories.

Could it be that the voters liked the nordic songs?!

Get over it, remember when Turkey, Greece, Serbia, Ukraine and Russia won within 6 years? (5 out of 6 wins). The nordic is having a good period right now, it can turn any year.

 

[eugoose]

Sweden won fair and square and that's it. We've had the jury system since 2013, a bit late to complain now. If you're gonna complain then complain at EBU and the jury system, not Sweden who won fair and square.

[MENTION=13474]Mlyn[/MENTION] you said you would leave the forum if Sweden won?

I'm not pro-Italy, but the jury's job is to ensure that musical taste is maintained (so that a random kitsch song about a turkey, for example, doesn't win). The problem, is that we assume they have good taste, and more importantly, broad taste. I looked at the Australian jury and they're all pretty much involved in pop. And what happen when you ask people who listen/play pop music who they prefer? Are they going to choose an ethnic song or something that sounds like it came off MTV?

It's pretty clear what the problem was.

 

[doctormalisimo]

Could it be that the voters liked the nordic songs?!

Get over it, remember when Turkey, Greece, Serbia, Ukraine and Russia won within 6 years? (5 out of 6 wins). The nordic is having a good period right now, it can turn any year.

Except those countries don't all share cultural ties. Ukraine, Serbia and Turkey are culturally 3 vastly vastly different countries.

 

[FilipFromSweden]

Except those countries don't all share cultural ties. Ukraine, Serbia and Turkey are culturally 3 vastly vastly different countries.

But in that period the nordics didn't do very well in Eurovision, except for Finland who rarely ever does good

And they do share music taste I believe. Greece, Serbia and Russia all gave 12, 12, 10 to Italy.

 

[bbm099]

So if a western country wins because of diaspora everyone complains that using only televote is unfair and that they should include juries. If a country wins mainly helped by the juries (and is not the same as the televote one) everyone complains that using juries is rigged. Am i missing something? Either way most eurofans will find excuses and a way to justify their favourite not winning... That's not how it is. There are rules and countries accept that rules... even we accepted them when they helped our favourites won in the past. So now that this year is closed, we should just accept and move on. Or should we just choose a different voting method every year after every song is out so we can decide if we need the jury to stop diaspora and neighboring or if we are able to crown a winner without their help? Cause that's how it's sounding right now...

You are only saying that because you liked Italy and the jury put them in 6th... first, that's not that low. Every country placed ahead was a favourite before the live shows so i don't see the weirdness here. Second, every country had it's juries. Are you saying that in EVERY country, Sweden were paying the juries to vote for them? That's just not logical for me. Sorry... And sweden was top3 amongst televote, so people liked them as well. It's not like they were 6th or lower and the juries pushed them to the front. From the beggining those 3 countries were head to head... any of the 3 would be a good and deserving winner.

The thing is that people at home (and the fans) liked Italy better because they were the best country in the final (for your taste). I can agree with you on that... i loved them. But we don't have specific criteria to judge every act... we just vote for the ones we like better, even if the vocals are awful or if the song is trash and we just love the dancy feeling of it. Juries don't... they have topics to evaluate. And Sweden just had more value (besides vocals) than Italy for juries... of course that's a matter of opinion, but that's how all this works. Opinions... that we should accept.

No one was robbed, because no rules were violated. Most people here are just not accepting that Sweden won instead if Italy Again, top3 was flawless this year... any of those 3 would be a fair winner. Just stop this fight over who should have won. Sweden deserved it, as Russia or Italy if they had won.

 

[SuperGirl]

How was Italy robbed?? How had The juries bad taste?

Remember Il Volo didn't even won jury votes in San Remo. If they couldn't win the italian jury voting then why should the international give them the win??

I see comments about the juries have pop people. But I don't get it. The italian jury would if anyone praise a italian opera. But no, they give them poor points. Let's accept it, there were anything with the italian entry that neither the italian or international juries liked that much.

About televoting: people are allowed to vote 20 times for a entry. do we actually know that most people liked the italian entry? How do we know that they italian fans weren't fanatic and voted as crazy for them?? And how do we know that the people just voted as crazy for Italy to just destroy Sweden's and Russia's chances?

Until the people can only vote one time for a entry we will never know which country the people actually liked most.

 

[eugoose]

Eurovision has always been a 'people's' contest. If the roles were reversed, a lot of Swedes would be upset that Italy had won as they had been carried by the jury. Of course, it's not Man's fault, not is it taking away from Sweden's win. But the fact that handful of 'jurors' overruled the 'people' can be incredibly frustrating and goes against the very spirit of the competition.

People aren't mad because of the legalities of it. They're made because it wasn't, in their view, in the spirit of the contest.

 

[Krishoes]

How was Italy robbed?? How had The juries bad taste?

Remember Il Volo didn't even won jury votes in San Remo. If they couldn't win the italian jury voting then why should the international give them the win??

The jury in Sanremo is composed of 10 (TEN) people (most of them linked to the singers for friendship, professional relationships and so). They knew that Il Volo could win the Festival and tried to change the results. That's it.

 

[Krishoes]

If the roles were reversed, a lot of Swedes would be upset that Italy had won as they had been carried by the jury..

I can imagine the SuperTroll:

 

[SuperGirl]

Eurovision has always been a 'people's' contest. If the roles were reversed, a lot of Swedes would be upset that Italy had won as they had been carried by the jury. Of course, it's not Man's fault, not is it taking away from Sweden's win. But the fact that handful of 'jurors' overruled the 'people' can be incredibly frustrating and goes against the very spirit of the competition.

People aren't mad because of the legalities of it. They're made because it wasn't, in their view, in the spirit of the contest.

Wrong!!!!! The people weren't allowed to vote in ESC until 1997! Before that it was always only juries. Actually the juries has been in ESC most part of its history.

Gosh is it only young people in this forum?

 

[SuperGirl]

The jury in Sanremo is composed of 10 (TEN) people (most of them linked to the singers for friendship, professional relationships and so). They knew that Il Volo could win the Festival and tried to change the results. That's it.

Lol, pathetic excuse!!!!! All these poooooooooooooooooor Il Volo...... Buuuuuuuuuh the juries want to destroy for them!!!!!!!!!! Seriously, if San Remo is that bad then why no one complain???