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She would have won with the old system as well btw. With 330 points.This is just your personal opinion. For me it was totally deserved that she slayed the jury vote, coz she ticked all the jury boxes to the maximum, as it was deserved for Kaarija to slay the televote, coz he ticked all the tele boxes to the maximum. She just had the stronger package overall for the current system ( either the current system is good or bad ), because she appealed to the tele more than Kaarija did to the juries. People need to accept it and move on
Congrats and Loreen! I was hoping she'd win the televote as well, so that this victory wouldn't feel so bittersweet. Now, it feels like a victory pushed heavily by the jury, enforcing the Swedish jury pet narrative (which is true of course). 340 points is absolutely ridiculous.
Because the gap is ginormous. Juries really compensated for something. It might be my second favourite this year but it's not a 340 jury points song, sorry.But in a 50-50 system, why Loreen's 340 points in the one half is ridiculous while Kaarija's got 376 in the other half?
Because 180 people awarded Sweden almost the same points than millions of people to Finland.But in a 50-50 system, why Loreen's 340 points in the one half is ridiculous while Kaarija's got 376 in the other half?
it's not a 340 jury points song, sorry.
Oh, man, chill! Bulgaria lost with Kris Kostov while been with 615 points, plus the Portuguese singer been famous with health condition as well. And almost every country commentator was talking about it. Nobody said that Eurovision is fair. Move on!Because 180 people awarded Sweden almost the same points than millions of people to Finland.
Because 180 people awarded Sweden almost the same points than millions of people to Finland.
Israel polished perfo but she didnt have a jury song. So yeah...
Portugal won the jury AND the televote. Period. There wasn't even a discussion that year.Oh, man, chill! Bulgaria lost with Kris Kostov while been with 615 points, plus the Portuguese singer been famous with health condition as well. And almost every country commentator was talking about it. Nobody said that Eurovision is fair. Move on!
was that system introduced yesterday? we all knew it was juries+televote in the final (as it has been for many years) and that they evaluate the songs differently. as a fan you look at other things than as a professional. but there does not exist objective right winner, we don't have eurovision god who gets to decide it. we have agreed that right now this is the system we select the winner with. the winner is who won and therefore it is the right winnerBecause 180 people awarded Sweden almost the same points than millions of people to Finland.
I think it's worth to discuss, based on experience, some changes in the voting system to make it fairer in the eyes of the audience. Giving too much power to the jury has only damaged the identity of Eurovision.Well welcome to ESC, that was the purpose of the jury-televote system
Because of his medical condition. Talking about fairness. But let’s not bring this topic again. Period!Portugal won the jury AND the televote. Period. There wasn't even a discussion that year.
In all honesty I feel like Cha Cha Cha fans that are disappointed it didn't win (i.e. me) could be better losers but also Tattoo fans that could be better winners by admitting that the gap between Loreen and the others in the jury vote is crazily huge