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SWEDEN 2012 - Loreen - Euphoria

How do you rate the entry?

  • 12

    456 54.9%
  • 10

    71 8.5%
  • 8

    55 6.6%
  • 7

    37 4.5%
  • 6

    26 3.1%
  • 5

    25 3.0%
  • 4

    16 1.9%
  • 3

    18 2.2%
  • 2

    18 2.2%
  • 1

    16 1.9%
  • 0

    93 11.2%

  • Total voters
    831

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Han Hazretleri
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I slept badly that night. Сan say do not sleep. I am very worried. It all could end much worse, because this is serious, because if Loreen time has not coughed snow, she could die. And she went professional in this situation, and sang as never before. I have for it gave her more points the opposite. (and anyone else in this case, whether Albania, Russia and Georgia)
 

LalehForWD

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I don't care if she wins or not - she's done something much more important - she's showed interest in the human rights and democracy in Azerbaijan - Loreen was even mentioned in an article in the Guardian yesterday as being the only artist who'd met with the group fighting for democracy! With the head of the group being quoted saying he was very grateful that Loreen had showed great interest and had taken the time to speak to them!

You go girl!

xgood She did this on her own as a private person and have not even mentioned it as a representative for the Swedish ESC team.
 

MrJadeEwen

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I'm hoping the snow swallow thing doesn't affect her performance, depends how the juries see it

Is it Sweden's fault as the snow is their own staging
or
Is it a mishap which they overlook
 

Sean

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The big favourite tonight, and I hope she doesn't succumb to the pressure. Personally I wouldn't put it as the winning song but it deserves to do well, if only for the fact it's doing well for a Eurovision entry in the British charts, and could improve its reputation over here :lol:

Prediction: 1st-4th
 

Musicosity

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I didn't bring it up to say "They should get a second attempt". That's you reading into things.
Nope, I am not reading into things here. Just thinking through the consequences of the example you have brought up, something you should be willing to do yourself, too. When the table breaks right in the cypriot act, how would they go on in their choreo? "Continue on like nothing's happened", as you propose, would be impossible. Surely they would not have a plan B choreo prepared in case the table is suddenly not available anymore. So should they try on the spot to improvise a new choreo out of thin air? That would definitely decay into chaos within seconds. All they can do is finish their act without choreo and therefore without any stage performance at all, or to abort the act altogether. And you seem to agree that they could not legitimately ask for a second attempt. Now the juries would have to judge a performance half of which never happened. How are they supposed to do that? Could they base it on group reputation and public hype alone?

It's a really small problem. The "penalization" should be mininal, if any, especially since Loreen delivers one of the most flawless performances of the entire contest in terms of everything. She makes the most use of the cameras, she's among the best vocalists this year and her song is very contemporary. A single flubbed line due to a swallowed snowflake should hardly matter.
The fact remains that there was a noticable flaw in the performance. It does not matter that she dropped the line because of forgetfulness or because of a badly planned stage effect, in the end Loreen and her team are responsible for it. The flaw would certainly not disqualify them or place them last in the field, and I agree with LakZaNokte that in spite of it Loreen can still win (and likely will, because in her case the televote will never be affected by anything smaller than a complete desaster). But just to ignore it as you suggest would be unfair to the other groups who prepared and performed better. And if the actual performance of a group at the jury rehearsals would not matter, those rehearsals could be dropped and the juries could make their judgement by the official group videos instead. I think there is a good reason why those rehearsals have been introduced.

Regarding your praise of Loreen's merits let me just say that I also hold her in high regard because of her (by ESC standards) unusual and innovative entry. She clearly deserves credit for her courage to go into the competition with such a demanding act. But when it comes to actual performance I have some issues with it regarding her vocal qualities, how her dance moves connect to the song, and the music itself. But of course this largely depends on personal taste, and there is no arguing about that.

Thats's hardly the same thing. Dropping a microphone that isn't waterproof (and I doubt their mics aren't waterproof) into water isn't the same thing as an errant snowflake making its way into your mouth.
It actually is, and I have explained it before. The group takes responsibility for everything they introduce into their act, especially when it backfires on them and disrupts their performance. Btw. you can clearly see in the video how the twins lay down the mics before entering the fountain. I highly doubt the mics are waterproof.

After all, snowflakes or not, I still consider Euphoria to be this year's Top 3 material due to the innovative approach, but I am concerned that the hype around it has grown to such proportions that it clouds some people's objective judgement. In any case I would expect especially the jury members not to be affected by it. Otherwise we would not need the juries at all and could leave it to the televoters alone again, something I do not desire.
 

goroos1994

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Good news - SBS is airing Eurovision Semi Final 2 tonight...
We have a website here in Australia where you can give the thumbs up or thumbs down to each song.

Euphoria got 90% thumbs up.
It's by far the best received of all songs here in Australia. :D
 

Musicosity

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Good news - SBS is airing Eurovision Semi Final 2 tonight...
We have a website here in Australia where you can give the thumbs up or thumbs down to each song.

Euphoria got 90% thumbs up.
It's by far the best received of all songs here in Australia. :D

Nice. Could you post the link, please?
 

Sabrewulf238

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I can't really see what was so devastatingly wrong with the final jury performance.....was it when she coughed with the confetti falling down? That was bad but I wouldn't say the performance was totally atrocious because of it by any means.

The way people were talking I thought she fell off the stage or the dancer kicked her in the head during that dance at the end.

I still think Loreen will have no trouble winning tonight. At least as long as the same doesn't happen for the live performance.
 

Jukica

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gustav

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Calm down, people. This is not like a sports jury, where they deduct points for each mistake, as in gymnastics or figure skating. The jury evaluates the performance as a whole, and if that incident didn't have an impact on the overall performance, it shouldn't make a difference.
 

issorus71

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if the jury gave her point deductions because of the snowflake, and she gets it spot on tonight, the jurys judgement wouldn't be accurate, now would it. They have to look at the performance as a whole, not take heed to obvious mishaps. so I think both sweden and romania is rather safe.
 

pokerpupps

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Don't worry guys. I'm 100% sure that she will get in the top 3 (of the jury votes). A minor coughing misstake shouldn't affect the outcome. She has obviously the best voice and song, in this competition. Forza Svecia tonight!
 
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