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Split jury-televote results revealed!

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Or you could say that the televoters saved Russia's 2nd place? Or else they should have done much worse...? Why is it always the juries who always saves any entry?

The thing is that both the Juries and the televoters agreed with Sweden as the winner. Not much to argue against that really.

Agree. Funny how juries are always seen as "saviors". Televoters barely gets credited for anything. In this case, both televoters and juries chose Sweden as their #1.

On the other hand, televoters "saved" Netherlands, while juries preferred Georgia...
 

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Very disappointing results. Problem is: what to do when both juries and televote fail? Maybe next year we should rely on random assigned points. :lol:
 

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Or you could say that the televoters saved Russia's 2nd place? Or else they should have done much worse...? Why is it always the juries who always saves any entry?

The thing is that both the Juries and the televoters agreed with Sweden as the winner. Not much to argue against that really.

I don't believe you read my entire comment. I've been saying the entire time that I'm incredibly happy with the mixed results. I was making a point towards Alister who was bashing the juries and I simply was pointing out that the televoters almost ruined Sweden's victory which would have been a disaster.
 

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But you questing the juries based on your personal taste. That doesn't make sense to me. I don't get how the juries placed Cyprus higher and the televoters considering it's a pretty bad song to me but I'm not comparing my taste with the juries and yell "injustice". You question their expertise saying they vote for crappy songs but that's according to YOU and while I'm certain that some share your views on some of the songs (we all do), it doesn't represent everyone. When I look at the jury results I find them quite accurate and reasonable.

So I understand if you say "The juries taste suck, I don't agree with them at all" but saying they don't know what they're doing and they're s..t cause of Georgia's entry seems too much.

I don't think I speak only for myself in regarding to that mess Georgia's entry was... if it was isolated to my taste, how did it end up last with the televoters? I can't recall it being popular anywhere (certainly not around here either)... but the juries must have found something 'good' in it... whatever that might have been.

Of course I speak on behalf of my taste aswell, everyone here does. I already explained why I agree with the juries treating of the Turkish entry, which is based on my personal taste.
 

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I mean look at Ukraine? It was over-wailed to such an extent that you could hardly hear the original melody in there.

I remember reading a story somewhere about why Turkey 1983 received nul points. It was written that the juries didn't like the fact that they sung the word "opera" and names of composers during most of the song. Ukraine had the same thing, it was just "you can be my gueeeeeeeeeeeeeest!" and some not really intelligible words in-between.
 

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Re: Split jury-televotes results revealed!

yeah but in that semi, Lithuania was 10th by juries and IMO, Donny sang very well, better than Anri. in fact, he saved that song.

lithuania should be banned form the eurovision for like 10 years for sending that song to the eurovision. come to think of it, jebward engelbert and towlie from norway was just bad, but donny was an insult to music and the people enjoying it
 

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Re: Split jury-televotes results revealed!

lithuania should be banned form the eurovision for like 10 years for sending that song to the eurovision. come to think of it, jebward engelbert and towlie from norway was just bad, but donny was an insult to music and the people enjoying it

:lol:
 

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I don't think I speak only for myself in regarding to that mess Georgia's entry was... if it was isolated to my taste, how did it end up last with the televoters? I can't recall it being popular anywhere (certainly not around here either)... but the juries must have found something 'good' in it... whatever that might have been.

Of course I speak on behalf of my taste aswell, everyone here does. I already explained why I agree with the juries treating of the Turkish entry, which is based on my personal taste.


And I happen to agree with you that Georgia's entry was crap and so don't get why it scored so high with them. The point is, taking one song out of the whole voting procedure is taking things out of context and doesn't represent the full picture. And this is just a perfect example why we shouldn't have 100% jury vote or televote.
 

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And I happen to agree with you that Georgia's entry was crap and so don't get why it scored so high with them. The point is, taking one song out of the whole voting procedure is taking things out of context and doesn't represent the full picture. And this is just a perfect example why we shouldn't have 100% jury vote or televote.

But that song was such an extreme case of crap that it works as an example :lol:

And our poor Joan was killed by the juries in favor of that 'music'... I'm sad :oops:
 

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Well, for what it's worth, I as a Dutchman can see and understand why a random juror would place Georgia higher than our own entry.

And it has not much to do with the song itself.
 

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Well, for what it's worth, I as a Dutchman can see and understand why a random juror would place Georgia higher than our own entry.

So... why would a random juror prefer Georgia to Netherlands?
 

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I can't really see how the juries justified giving a horrendous singer-song-act combo, brought to us on the behalf of France, 85 points.
But thank god they killed off Ireland.

Surprised to see Ukraine being a big televote loser, especially in the semi-final.
 

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Well, for what it's worth, I as a Dutchman can see and understand why a random juror would place Georgia higher than our own entry.

And it has not much to do with the song itself.

I don't see it sorry, as the Georgian song was just noise.

Also it wasn't randomly, a country can't end up that high with just some random votes.
 

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So... why would a random juror prefer Georgia to Netherlands?

The act, the stage performance, the energy.

Some people may be constantly hammering on the fact that this is a song contest, but that's simply not how it in reality works.

For clarity: Georgia's entry is in my bottom 5 this year. I dislike it.
 

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The act, the stage performance, the energy.

Some people may be constantly hammering on the fact that this is a song contest, but that's simply not how it in reality works.

So... making a fool out of yourself gets you points nowadays?
 

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The act, the stage performance, the energy.

Some people may be constantly hammering on the fact that this is a song contest, but that's simply not how it in reality works.

Apparently not... if someone can send 3 minutes of utter crap and get away with it because of the act (which was crap aswell), then the current system really doesn't work for sure.
 
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