Split jury-televote results revealed!

[Matt]

Exactly. It may seem weird and not how people like it but people are voting on more than one thing. Dare I say the strange stage performance of Sweden helped it win and become such a favourite because without it, it's a club song we have heard a million times before. Im pretty sure Loreen's unusual performance helped her get the win and votes. People like things that stick out. As rubbish as "I'm A Joker" is, it was one of the most entertaining performances of the night. It was my mothers favourite quite bizarrely as well.

I watched the show with 2 non ESC fans and both of them liked Georgia. I was like "WTF???".

The live performance is incredibly important and essential in coming up with a ranking. Otherwise why not do playback or have it on the radio? The live aspect is what makes the show.

And one thing we forget is that juries vote for a Top 10 while televoters only vote for their favorite. We're comaring apples and oranges here.

 

[A-lister]

I watched the show with 2 non ESC fans and both of them liked Georgia. I was like "WTF???".

The live performance is incredibly important and essential in coming up with a ranking. Otherwise why not do playback or have it on the radio? The live aspect is what makes the show.

And one thing we forget is that juries vote for a Top 10 while televoters only vote for their favorite. We're comaring apples and oranges here.

Still though, it ended up last with viewers so hardly universally liked.

Also, if this is so, we should re-name this "Eurovision Singing/Performance Contest"... it's funny how good songs are being trashed to bits if their performances may not live up to its potential, but bad songs gets hailed if they just have a singer that can sing....

Anyways, I thought the performance was just as messy as the song, but maybe I'm just blind and deaf

 

[r3gg13]

Pretty much everyone and their mothers are interested in what the jury member told AlekS

I for one, loved Georgia's performance. That was the most entertaining performance of the night. It was over-the-top in a good way + Anri sounded really good, IMO

What surprised me was how high the viewers ranked Lithuania in SF. My parents and my sister loved it too when they saw it on the final.

 

[Matt]

Still though, it ended up last with viewers so hardly universally liked.

Also, if this is so, we should re-name this "Eurovision Singing/Performance Contest"... it's funny how good songs are being trashed to bits if their performances may not live up to its potential, but bad songs gets hailed if they just have a singer that can sing....

Anyways, I thought the performance was just as messy as the song, but maybe I'm just blind and deaf

Just because the word "Song" happens to be in the name of the contest doesn't mean that's all there is to it. It always has been about the whole package and IMO should be that way.

But as I just pointed out, if televoters also would vote for their Top 10 instead of only their favorite song Georgia would have been probably higher in the ranking as it's just not a "most popular" kinda song.

 

[rajo]

This result still doesn't take away suspicion for blind voting from these countries: Turkey, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Greece, Romania. Same story every year.

As for Russia and Serbia, the blind voting effect is concealed by a stronger-than-usual song. Russia had a massive overall appeal. But I think it is still there. At least the 2011 televoting figures prove that.

Austria is still on the record for having the biggest gap in terms of placing: 5th with juries, 24th with televoting last year. Russia has now the biggest gap in points between both.

 

[RainyWoods]

I watched the show with 2 non ESC fans and both of them liked Georgia. I was like "WTF???".

The live performance is incredibly important and essential in coming up with a ranking. Otherwise why not do playback or have it on the radio? The live aspect is what makes the show.

And one thing we forget is that juries vote for a Top 10 while televoters only vote for their favorite. We're comaring apples and oranges here.

I think it's very true what you say Matt. The same thing really applied for Rona this year. I think seeing her perform it live changed alot of opinions. For lots of people being entertained by a dazzling stage show will make them vote or reward points as well.

Also like you say, we the public vote our favourite(s). The jury vote their top 10.

I'd rather vote for that crazy, rubbish song that ive never seen anything like before, that made me laugh than songs I find just uninspired and boring despite people saying "well it's a better song". I know I would have thrown a point Georgia's way most likely if I was jury member this year and I wouldnt have cared if people thought me stupid for it.

 

[Mozz]

I know I would have thrown a point Georgia's way most likely if I was jury member this year and I wouldnt have cared if people thought me stupid for it.

Are you sure? Some people could kill you for that, so it seems

 

[RainyWoods]

Still though, it ended up last with viewers so hardly universally liked.

Also, if this is so, we should re-name this "Eurovision Singing/Performance Contest"... it's funny how good songs are being trashed to bits if their performances may not live up to its potential, but bad songs gets hailed if they just have a singer that can sing....

Anyways, I thought the performance was just as messy as the song, but maybe I'm just blind and deaf

I know what you mean. The jury loving Austria last year was really annoying. They do tend to favour vocal displays. I found Spains song this year to be a totally cliché, ballad by numbers effort. Although of course incredibly well sung but I don't think it deserved the high placing from the jury. Thats the one thing I really don't like about the jury. They do like their well sung, cliché ballads.

 

[A-lister]

Just because the word "Song" happens to be in the name of the contest doesn't mean that's all there is to it. It always has been about the whole package and IMO should be that way.

But as I just pointed out, if televoters also would vote for their Top 10 instead of only their favorite song Georgia would have been probably higher in the ranking as it's just not a "most popular" kinda song.

But doesn't "song" belong to that package then? And well, yeah performances and vocals, but if the songs aren't important then I still think the name can be changed. We could make it convenient and turn it into kareoke while we're at it, then there's no need for national selections and such...

That's speculating, obviously the majority found it crappy because it ended last.

 

[rajo]

The jury loving Austria last year was really annoying. They do tend to favour vocal displays.

Nadine nailed it, and she wrote the song on her own....

 

[A-lister]

I know what you mean. The jury loving Austria last year was really annoying. They do tend to favour vocal displays. I found Spains song this year to be a totally cliché, ballad by numbers effort. Although of course incredibly well sung but I don't think it deserved the high placing from the jury. Thats the one thing I really don't like about the jury. They do like their well sung, cliché ballads.

Exactly, and this is a major dilemma and problem for ESC... do we REALLY need another Idol concept? I mean can't we just have Eurovision without those damn vocal juries? We already have Idol, X-Factor, The Voice and plenty more... it's like that infects everything nowadays.

I'm not saying vocals are unimportant, but it shouldn't be the most important aspect.

 

[RainyWoods]

Are you sure? Some people could kill you for that, so it seems

They could try to kill me but i'd get Valentina to beat them up. She wouldn't let any harm happen to fans of her fellow troll, Anri2

 

[CC92]

I was one of the few people that enjoyed the Georgian entry (5th place on my list) but Europe obviously disagreed and a last place honestly proves that. All I fairly can do is deal with it instead of applauding the jury for disrespecting people's decision. What is interesting to notice, by the way, is that the bottom two in SF2 consists of two of the most successful Ex-Soviet countries in previous years. You cannot even blame their failures on an unfavourable allocation draw because they had not one. So much for political voting and certain points. In the end ESC is a show produced for the viewers so they should decide regardless of what you personally might think.
It is the first year in which I do not hate the overall 'jury' scores but I hate (really hate) to come to know to the results three weeks after the actual event. Whose opinion does the 'combined ranking' reflect? Exactly, no one's. I could not care less about it even if I agreed on every single position. That would be selfish thinking imho.

 

[A-lister]

Nadine nailed it, and she wrote the song on her own....

Doesn't make the song any better though I'm sorry

 

[daniels1000]

And one thing we forget is that juries vote for a Top 10 while televoters only vote for their favorite. We're comaring apples and oranges here.

Because of that, I think that juries' votes are more reliable.And because of that ( one example ) Georgia failed imo.

 

[A-lister]

I was one of the few people that enjoyed the Georgian entry (5th place on my list) but Europe obviously disagreed and a last place honestly proves that. All I fairly can do is deal with it instead of applauding the jury for disrespecting people's decision. What is interesting to notice, by the way, is that the bottom two in SF2 consists of two of the most successful Ex-Soviet countries in previous years. You cannot even blame their failures on an unfavourable allocation draw because they had not one. So much for political voting and certain points. In the end ESC is a show produced for the viewers so they should decide regardless of what you personally might think.
It is the first year in which I do not hate the overall 'jury' scores but I hate (really hate) to come to know to the results three weeks after the actual event. Whose opinion does the 'combined ranking' reflect? Exactly, no one's. I could not care less about it even if I agreed on every single position. That would be selfish thinking imho.

Well said.

 

[rajo]

Doesn't make the song any better though I'm sorry

 

[A-lister]

Because of that, I think that juries' votes are more reliable.And because of that ( one example ) Georgia failed imo.

Georgia failed because it was crap. I can't believe what a 180 degree turn this forum made to make excuses for the juries bad taste Georgia was never really liked anywhere. Yes of course, there will always be some that like every song, but in general.

 

[A-lister]

But Trackshittaz deserved to qualify though

 

[daniels1000]

It annoys me too , when juries look just voice . They heard Rona and just said " WOOOOOWWW ,what a voice " and what about song :?: Isn't this Eurovision Song Contest :?: Ok,I agree that they can look voice but just like one part of song( or something like that ) . Imo , I think that juries also have to look writers of the song(just a little),because it's better(imo) when singer writes song on his/her own.