Split jury-televote results revealed!

[A-lister]

Criminally underrated Poor Joan ! She deserved to pass in final

Yep, and so did Nina... although I can understand maybe if that song didn't have such mass-appeal.

 

[Matt]

Hmm... well taste differ

Netherlands though was tragically underrated by the tasteless juries.

No offense but it's apparent that you'd criticizedthe jury no matter what. Considering they pretty much saved Sweden from losing this thing putting the joke entry from Russia way lower than the televoters, they deserve credit just for that. It seems that the fact they didn't support Romania didn't sit well with you. But that shouldn't come as too big of a surprise considering they butchered the jury performance.

I said it before, neither the televote or the jury vote alone are completely fair but the combination makes the difference.

 

[A-lister]

No offense but it's apparent that you'd criticizedthe jury no matter what. Considering they pretty much saved Sweden from losing this thing putting the joke entry from Russia way lower than the televoters, they deserve credit just for that. It seems that the fact they didn't support Romania didn't sit well with you. But that shouldn't come as too big of a surprise considering they butchered the jury performance.

I said it before, neither the televote or the jury vote alone are completely fair but the combination makes the difference.

I don't know about Romania's jury performance, I don't follow any of those to be honest as they spoil the excitement. I just read some comments about some of them and that's it.

But Sweden still won the televoting right?

Why am I complaining about juries? Because they are supposed to be the "experts" and since these small groups have equal power as million voters, I think we should expect some "expertise" then and not top. 10's for such obvious craps as Georgia. If they are going to have so much say, I think it's my democratic right to speak up when I think they acted wrongly then.

I mean aren't the juries put here for the reason to have some sort of musical knowledge?

 

[Jukica]

I don't know about Romania's jury performance, I don't follow any of those to be honest as they spoil the excitement. I just read some comments about some of them and that's it.

But Sweden still won the televoting right?

Why am I complaining about juries? Because they are supposed to be the "experts" and since these small groups have equal power as million voters, I think we should expect some "expertise" then and not top. 10's for such obvious craps as Georgia. If they are going to have so much say, I think it's my democratic right to speak up when I think they acted wrongly then.

I mean aren't the juries put here for the reason to have some sort of musical knowledge?

I'm not 100% sure now, but I think that some people from jury weren't music experts (e.g. Croatia had a meteorologist in the jury )

 

[A-lister]

I'm not 100% sure now, but I think that some people from jury weren't music experts (e.g. Croatia had a meteorologist in the jury )

Well, on paper they're suppose to be some sort of "musical geniuses" or whatever..

But yeah, you just proved their incompetence.

I think if these groups should have 50% of the total say, just as much as the million voters, then they should also prove that they can differ good songs from bad songs atleast.

They just seem to be occupied by judging vocals, but then why are we even having original songs in the first place if they can sound like cr*p but still get jury love?

 

[EurovisionSmile]

I wanna kill the jury, what do you mean Moldova 2nd in SF1?

Moldova was great

 

[aletem]

I like the televoting results better. And should have the jury supported Kaliopi and place her in the top10, she would have ended up in the top10 overall. And some of the other results, like Moldova in the juries top10, Georgia in the top10 in the semi. WTH!?? Netherlands would have qualified.

 

[Matt]

I don't know about Romania's jury performance, I don't follow any of those to be honest as they spoil the excitement. I just read some comments about some of them and that's it.

But Sweden still won the televoting right?

Why am I complaining about juries? Because they are supposed to be the "experts" and since these small groups have equal power as million voters, I think we should expect some "expertise" then and not top. 10's for such obvious craps as Georgia. If they are going to have so much say, I think it's my democratic right to speak up when I think they acted wrongly then.

I mean aren't the juries put here for the reason to have some sort of musical knowledge?

Well, The lead singer stopped singing/forgot the lyrics (not sure what happened) for a moment which is obviously the worst thing that could happen during a live performance.

Looking at the votes I can't see your point about them not applying their "musical expertise". There was a healthy mix between ballads & upbeat songs in the Top 10. Of course with some songs it comes down to personal preference but we can't hold a jury accountable for that.

 

[Nike]

No offense but it's apparent that you'd criticizedthe jury no matter what. Considering they pretty much saved Sweden from losing this thing putting the joke entry from Russia way lower than the televoters, they deserve credit just for that. It seems that the fact they didn't support Romania didn't sit well with you. But that shouldn't come as too big of a surprise considering they butchered the jury performance.

I said it before, neither the televote or the jury vote alone are completely fair but the combination makes the difference.

How did the juries saved Sweden from losing? Sweden still should have won since we won the televoting.

 

[moop]

the jury got most of it right. they placed russia in a fair position and they called out the bottom 3 perfectly like well when i come to think about it, i wouldent have a problem if jedward came in last

 

[AdelAdel]

It should be obligatory that every jury member is/was in the professional music industry.

 

[EurovisionSmile]

Did anyone see that Greece was 3rd in jury and 5th in televotes in semi? I first thought that they've mixed up the columns

Despite not liking the Greek entry, SF1 was so bad that it actually sounded good to me then

 

[A-lister]

Well, The lead singer stopped singing/forgot the lyrics (not sure what happened) for a moment which is obviously the worst thing that could happen during a live performance.

Looking at the votes I can't see your point about them not applying their "musical expertise". There was a healthy mix between ballads & upbeat songs in the Top 10. Of course with some songs it comes down to personal preference but we can't hold a jury accountable for that.

Expertise is not just about mixing different genres, I mean anyone could do that. Also, there shouldn't be a mix just for the sake of mix, if a song is good it is good regardless of the genre.

I think, as with all "authorities", since they have equal power as millions of people, we would should hold them accountable for their decisions. We already know that the public vote can be fickle with diaspora voting and such, and that some might be attracted to vote for "jokes" just for the fun of it... but one should expect juries to actually have some musical insight.

Georgia qualifying? I mean that alone is enough for me to find them laughable. I mean even the public had so much taste to put that mess in the end. This also sort of makes my prejudices about juries only caring about vocals true. I mean look at Ukraine? It was over-wailed to such an extent that you could hardly hear the original melody in there.

Again, I think we should be more critical of juries simply because they are put here as some sort of expertise.

 

[Matt]

How did the juries saved Sweden from losing? Sweden still should have won since we won the televoting.

If the juries would have put Russia ahead of Sweden we would have had a different winner. And just the fact that Sweden almost lost the televote in general should be alarming to begin with.

 

[moop]

Re: Split jury-televotes results revealed!

Surprised the public showed more love to the UK than the juries actually...

and yeah, the juries also did a correct job with Ireland (as they did with Turkey).

Other than that I'm not really sure what I think.

agreed the only thing they got really wrong was albania. like i dont even know how that screaming banshee made it 2 the final

 

[A-lister]

It should be obligatory that every jury member is/was in the professional music industry.

Agree. They should be professionals in the field, music programmers for radio stations and such.

I mean in some countries it seems they put some random celebrity in the juries. Also, again the focus should be primary on songs, I mean don't they know what they sign up for?

 

[moop]

Re: Split jury-televotes results revealed!

Oh so this IS European Idol? I didn't know... last time I checked it was Eurovision SONG Contest.

The fact that the juries put that MESS of a song the Georgian entry was in the top. 10, but totally screwed Netherlands and also Bulgaria over, imo proves how infantile they are. They simply ONLY judge live vocals... they couldn't even be bothered if the songs can't even be considered songs or if the singers slaughter ok songs with over-singing (Ukraine and Estonia I look at you!).

tbh netherlands super annoying english totally put me off that song and when you talk about over singing, u should put albania and lithuania in that category

 

[Nike]

If the juries would have put Russia ahead of Sweden we would have had a different winner. And just the fact that Sweden almost lost the televote in general should be alarming to begin with.

Or you could say that the televoters saved Russia's 2nd place? Or else they should have done much worse...? Why is it always the juries who always saves any entry?

The thing is that both the Juries and the televoters agreed with Sweden as the winner. Not much to argue against that really.

 

[Matt]

Expertise is not just about mixing different genres, I mean anyone could do that. Also, there shouldn't be a mix just for the sake of mix, if a song is good it is good regardless of the genre.

I think, as with all "authorities", since they have equal power as millions of people, we would should hold them accountable for their decisions. We already know that the public vote can be fickle with diaspora voting and such, and that some might be attracted to vote for "jokes" just for the fun of it... but one should expect juries to actually have some musical insight.

Georgia qualifying? I mean that alone is enough for me to find them laughable. I mean even the public had so much taste to put that mess in the end. This also sort of makes my prejudices about juries only caring about vocals true. I mean look at Ukraine? It was over-wailed to such an extent that you could hardly hear the original melody in there.

Again, I think we should be more critical of juries simply because they are put here as some sort of expertise.

But you questing the juries based on your personal taste. That doesn't make sense to me. I don't get how the juries placed Cyprus higher and the televoters considering it's a pretty bad song to me but I'm not comparing my taste with the juries and yell "injustice". You question their expertise saying they vote for crappy songs but that's according to YOU and while I'm certain that some share your views on some of the songs (we all do), it doesn't represent everyone. When I look at the jury results I find them quite accurate and reasonable.

So I understand if you say "The juries taste suck, I don't agree with them at all" but saying they don't know what they're doing and they're s..t cause of Georgia's entry seems too much.

 

[Matt]

It should be obligatory that every jury member is/was in the professional music industry.

It is already obligatory.