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For someone who's so focused on sexism at Eurovision... :?
Slovenia SLOVENIA 2016 - ManuElla - Blue and Red
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For someone who's so focused on sexism at Eurovision... :?
CatEye
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Switzerland will come last, MozzarElla will be second last (thanks to a few scrap points from Serbia and Macedonia)
ThanksCatEye. I couldn't agree more with you. You've spoken the truth and nothing, but the truthTrue words of wisdom x12sx12sx12sx12s
Yes. I meant exactly this. He didn't acomplish anything by himself and was pushed down the viewers throats by RTVSLO all the time.Well, about A. Dežan... How to put it without being harsh or offensive? First, let me say that there is no doubt about his musical talent, but there is something off about him. I respect his persistence, but nor CatEye nor I were the only who didn't "get" A. Dežan. Despite all the necessary ingredients he had, he never made a career here in Slovenia. The audience never really responded to him as personality. Why exactly, I am not sure, but I think he was at certain point all over the place - it felt as though our national TV imposed him on us, enforced him. There was nothing he couldn't do, yet he was only 20 yo - he was TV presenter, he was a singer, he was a journalist - though he had no diploma in any of respective areas. So, I believe people saw in him something like impersonation of everything what is wrong in our society today. And I believe that CatEye meant this when (s)he said he was a hard-try, nothing else. But perhaps, I am mistaken... Anyways, I hope you understand now why Anžej was not really a fan-wank of the Slovenian audience
MozzarElla is the same thing, minus RTVSLO's support. Persistent, but very meh and no sight of improvement anywhere(the Samantha Tina of Slovenia). The only success she had so far is her victory at EMA, but if you know the cirmustances in which she won... yeah, not something to brag about.
Also I'm a he.
Carian
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Once again, this year, I am team #CatEye
And good to know you are HE
Perhaps gay and single? Fancying a drink? I am joking. Have a great weekend.
GianlucaTomoe
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ButthurtElla
Oh that's good to know
There is at least a little bit of justice out of this EMA. Črno Bel is a grower, I'm glad it has not been thrown away because Raiven lost.
that's probably why she lost...and pink hair didn't help her either...most slovenians (like all yugoslavs) are very conservative
GianlucaTomoe
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that's probably why she lost...and pink hair didn't help her either...most slovenians (like all yugoslavs) are very conservative
And that's what I think it will happen in ESC too.
CatEye
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LOL no, she would have easily qualified
that's probably why she lost...and pink hair didn't help her either...most slovenians (like all yugoslavs) are very conservative
I will not question your assertion - you know Slovenians better than me
- but Raiven's "failure" should be put in context: about 7,600 people apparently voted in EMA this year (which is quite a low number, even for a country of 2 million people) and there was like a difference of approximately 160 votes with ManuElla, which is nothing!So, even if I'm part of the people who think her failure was surprising, it's not like there was a massive reject towards her, her song or her looks either. Slovenians may be conservative, but Raiven's televote score wasn't bad considering the low participation.
CatEye
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It was bad, because she lost against a bland song that was both poorly sung and poorly staged. Not to mention that countrypop isnt even popular here, Taylor Swift's early song are almost never played on he radio here.I will not question your assertion - you know Slovenians better than me
So, even if I'm part of the people who think her failure was surprising, it's not like there was a massive reject towards her, her song or her looks either. Slovenians may be conservative, but Raiven's televote score wasn't bad considering the low participation.
The voters will go after the more known act and are willing to ignore everything else. RTVSLO is also to blame for this, since they killed all interest. The televoting results they get in everything they have organized in the last few years are abysmal.
GianlucaTomoe
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I don't know who are more sore losers, Raiven's fanboys or Laila Samuels' fanboys? One thing is certain: neither of them are able to accept the reality of the facts, namely that better songs and acts defeated them.
I totally agree. If there is an epic fail to find eventually, it's definitely RTVSLO's recent inability to make their NF an attractive event that people would gladly watch. Seeing so few voters and so little interest in EMA (and secondarily, Eurovision) is saddening indeed, this is an issue they need to address asap imo. Changes in EMA (and promotion) would be welcome.
As for this year's results, yes this is bad. But the scores were so tight that I can't really see a true reject towards Raiven (like EscGeek suggested), even if ManuElla is nothing Slovenians would vote for under other circumstances. To me the number of votes is so low that it doesn't tell much about how Slovenians generally react to pink hair, drag queen-inspired make-up and songs stepping out of the box.
Yet, she lost to ManuElla, there is no doubt about it.
Carian
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I totally agree. If there is an epic fail to find eventually, it's definitely RTVSLO's recent inability to make their NF an attractive event that people would gladly watch. Seeing so few voters and so little interest in EMA (and secondarily, Eurovision) is saddening indeed, this is an issue they need to address asap imo. Changes in EMA (and promotion) would be welcome.
As for this year's results, yes this is bad. But the scores were so tight that I can't really see a true reject towards Raiven (like EscGeek suggested), even if ManuElla is nothing Slovenians would vote for under other circumstances. To me the number of votes is so low that it doesn't tell much about how Slovenians generally react to pink hair, drag queen-inspired make-up and songs stepping out of the box.
Let me say how conservative and anti-pink-hair Slovenians are. In 2011 when we sent Maja Keuc, yes, that Ms. Keuc, my mother (yes, a lady about 60 yo with very conservative views - take this as a joke) did not approve that Ms. Keuc would represent us cuz she thought Ms. Keuc seemed too polished and boring in her appearance. She preferred Ms. April and her Ladadidej over Ms. Keuc. So, do you still think that average Slovenians are anti-pink-hair?
Well...my mother didn't approve Raiven because of her appearance.But later she admited that the song is actually good
Also, I saw lots of negative troll comments towards her appearance on rtvslo webpage (like "she's too ugly for eurovision")
I think some people didn't vote for Manuella but against Raiven
Also, I saw lots of negative troll comments towards her appearance on rtvslo webpage (like "she's too ugly for eurovision")
I think some people didn't vote for Manuella but against Raiven
Carian
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Well...my mother didn't approve Raiven because of her appearance.But later she admited that the song is actually good
Also, I saw lots of negative troll comments towards her appearance on rtvslo webpage (like "she's too ugly for eurovision")
I think some people didn't vote for Manuella but against Raiven
Nina Kraljić has blue hair, and I don't see anyone in Croatia making a fuss about her hair colour. So, I really don't get it how the hair colour could be an issue. EscGeek, obviously your mum is conservative. As for April, my mum really liked her head-dress/turban
On the other hand, I thought it was hidious Let me say how conservative and anti-pink-hair Slovenians are. In 2011 when we sent Maja Keuc, yes, that Ms. Keuc, my mother (yes, a lady about 60 yo with very conservative views - take this as a joke) did not approve that Ms. Keuc would represent us cuz she thought Ms. Keuc seemed too polished and boring in her appearance. She preferred Ms. April and her Ladadidej over Ms. Keuc. So, do you still think that average Slovenians are anti-pink-hair?
Hey, I didn't say Slovenians were conservative! EscGeek said they were
Tastes differ, and your mother certainly was into April's glittery clothing that year I didn't mind tbh, it fitted the song imo, you had two different and equally good options in 2011 to me: the serious and "boring-looking" one, versus the uplifting and shimmery-looking one. However, I admit I found Maja gorgeous with her long straight hair and her dark blue slit dress Personally, I don't think that pink hair would be that off-putting to viewers - considering what Raiven sang (that is, a serious song) - to work against her in the televote. Actually, the song might have been more "unappealing" than her looks imo, because it sounded different than your everyday song, as CatEye highlighted it.
GianlucaTomoe
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Raiven didn't even have the best song in EMA, it was just the 5th best one after Regina, ManuElla, Nuša Derenda and Anja Baš, so...
