San Marino SAN MARINO 2016 - Serhat - I Didn't Know

[Polux]

Re: SAN MARINO 2016 - Serhat

I didn't thought about it, the new system is 100% unfair for small states. They totally need to check it, I don't understand how the EBU approved this system with a so obvious lack of equality, and the fact that they didn't tell the broadcasters about the change before announcing it is worse. San Marino is right on its statement, it is totally comprehensive that they are indignant.

 

[John1]

Re: SAN MARINO 2016 - Serhat

San Marino should withdraw if the EBU doesn't care about them so much..
Indeed, EBU could finally understand that such micro states can't properly undergo this modification without saying anything.

 

[cripesdude]

Re: SAN MARINO 2016 - Serhat

I understand that the size of the population makes a televote statistically invalid... but surely that's better than just having a result 'made' for them!? Either San Marino should use their jury score twice, or just have a televote anyway (surely that'll be like having a jury of 1000 members rather than 5 - which is surely better anyway)? Perhaps some improvements can be made, for example only 3 or 5 votes from each telephone number or something... Or, if they use a jury vote twice, use 2 different juries (the second made up of 5 members of the public rather than music professionals?)

 

[John1]

Re: SAN MARINO 2016 - Serhat

I understand that the size of the population makes a televote statistically invalid... but surely that's better than just having a result 'made' for them!? Either San Marino should use their jury score twice, or just have a televote anyway (surely that'll be like having a jury of 1000 members rather than 5 - which is surely better anyway)? Perhaps some improvements can be made, for example only 3 or 5 votes from each telephone number or something... Or, if they use a jury vote twice, use 2 different juries (the second made up of 5 members of the public rather than music professionals?)

They could just only use jury's votes in order to mix the San Marinese votes up into the very first results, and let San Marino not to be included in the televote?

 

[Brandt]

Re: SAN MARINO 2016 - Serhat

I understand that the size of the population makes a televote statistically invalid... but surely that's better than just having a result 'made' for them!? Either San Marino should use their jury score twice, or just have a televote anyway (surely that'll be like having a jury of 1000 members rather than 5 - which is surely better anyway)? Perhaps some improvements can be made, for example only 3 or 5 votes from each telephone number or something... Or, if they use a jury vote twice, use 2 different juries (the second made up of 5 members of the public rather than music professionals?)

You just pointed several "solutions" but literally none of them makes sense.

 

[John1]

Re: SAN MARINO 2016 - Serhat

You just pointed several "solutions" but literally none of them makes sense.

I wish the EBU could just solve this terrible issue...

 

[GRE]

Re: SAN MARINO 2016 - Serhat

EBU doesn't give a s*it about microstates and their possible withdrawal. Who cares ?
Now they have Australia, China, Canada, Korea.

 

[Mii11]

Re: SAN MARINO 2016 - Serhat

I wish the EBU could just solve this terrible issue...

I wish the European Broadcasting UNION would have thought first before making such a big change without consulting other broadcasters (with exception of beloved SVT ). Decisions like changing voting system affect all the participating states and should therefore be discussed by every broadcaster before announcing an appropriate statement to the public.

 

[toinou03]

Re: SAN MARINO 2016 - Serhat

You just pointed several "solutions" but literally none of them makes sense.

Actually, when they do the split results, they count the jury vote twice for countries that couldn't use the televote. I don't believe it's that bad.

 

[aardvark]

Re: SAN MARINO 2016 - Serhat

I'm confused now... In response to criticisms about the changes in voting and Swedish influence on Eurovision, EBU said that ALL countries voted to approve the changes. Looks like that is not the case then, as it seems that the changes came as a bit of a surprise to San Marino?

 

[tuorem]

Re: SAN MARINO 2016 - Serhat

They could just only use jury's votes in order to mix the San Marinese votes up into the very first results, and let San Marino not to be included in the televote?

That's the option I would favor. As San Marino has always been "jury only", only the jury vote should count (that's what the spokespeople will announce from now on anyway). As a result, the country shouldn't be included in the televote part. What's the point of mixing the televote rankings of neighbouring countries to pretend San Marino inhabitants voted? :? It makes no sense as they will constantly fail to provide valid televotes.

I wish the European Broadcasting UNION would have thought first before making such a big change without consulting other broadcasters (with exception of beloved SVT ). Decisions like changing voting system affect all the participating states and should therefore be discussed by every broadcaster before announcing an appropriate statement to the public.

They were probably afraid of being turned down by some of them. It's easier to make and announce changes about 4 months after the application deadline when everyone's trapped.

 

[Dessi]

Re: SAN MARINO 2016 - Serhat

Well, San Marino could THEMSELVES make a suggestion to EBU about using only juryvotes. It isn't that difficult or scary... Do as Christer Björkman does, use your creativity and freedom of suggestion-making!
But instead of making a suggestion San Marino is on "the-whining-band-wagon-of-Ohh-we're-so-tiny-and-discriminated"..... xdoh

 

[Brandt]

Re: SAN MARINO 2016 - Serhat

Actually, when they do the split results, they count the jury vote twice for countries that couldn't use the televote. I don't believe it's that bad.

I find it unfair to other countries then. While other broadcasters have to share their results with televote, San Marino has twice domination with their jury votes. This is disputable if San Marino's "twice" jury votes change any winner or qualifier is fair or not.

 

[Brandt]

Re: SAN MARINO 2016 - Serhat

EBU doesn't give a s*it about microstates and their possible withdrawal. Who cares ?

Actually I think EBU worried about participation number in 2013. 37 was literally one of least numbers in recent years. Now things are better, but they should know that they are still in a risky progress, which I think letting Australia in was one of its conclusions. I believe EBU will take this seriously (or at least I hope so for the sake of my beloved Eurovision tradition).

 

[tuorem]

Re: SAN MARINO 2016 - Serhat

I believe EBU will take this seriously (or at least I hope so for the sake of my beloved Eurovision tradition).

I hope you're right, but I feel like they'll tend to add new countries (preferably profitable ones) rather than caring about the "old" ones. :? Presenting this year's participation as a record while counting Australia in is already the sign for me that the expansion will continue and numbers count more than anything. That way, they won't care about microstates anymore (Andorra, Luxemburg, Liechstenstein) and a bunch of other countries they don't particularly esteem (Slovakia, Turkey, Kazakhstan), while guaranteeing about 40 countries for each edition.

I hope I'm wrong though.

 

[John1]

Re: SAN MARINO 2016 - Serhat

I hope you're right, but I feel like they'll tend to add new countries (preferably profitable ones) rather than caring about the "old" ones. :? Presenting this year's participation as a record while counting Australia in is already the sign for me that the expansion will continue and numbers count more than anything. That way, they won't care about microstates anymore (Andorra, Luxemburg, Liechstenstein) and a bunch of other countries they don't particularly esteem (Slovakia, Turkey, Kazakhstan), while guaranteeing about 40 countries for each edition.

I hope I'm wrong though.

How could the EBU examinate the case of the absence of a San Marinese televoting?

 

[tuorem]

Re: SAN MARINO 2016 - Serhat

How could the EBU examinate the case of the absence of a San Marinese televoting?

All they have to do is add a rule for countries that constantly fail to provide televotes, because the fake televote is meant to be used for countries that occasionally have issues with their own televote (I assume). In San Marino's case, it stands for 50% of their votes each year, which isn't acceptable.

In my opinion, they could either count their jury votes twice (if we follow the logic of the past system) or San Marino should not appear in the televote part.

 

[John1]

Re: SAN MARINO 2016 - Serhat

All they have to do is add a rule for countries that constantly fail to provide televotes, because the fake televote is meant to be used for countries that occasionally have issues with their own televote. In San Marino's case, it stands for 50% of their votes each year, which isn't acceptable.

In my opinion, they could either count their jury votes twice (if we follow the logic of the past system) or San Marino should not appear in the televote part.

That's just UNFAIR for the microstates which can't provide a valid televote such as France or others do.

 

[wyq614]

Re: SAN MARINO 2016 - Serhat

Two suggestions (options) that may seem ridiculous but are my personal opinions:

- Count jury votes two times
- If San Marino do need televoting to show the fairness it is claiming, maybe they can establish a Internet voting platform, where only IPs from San Marino and Italian cities of Rimini and Ravenna is permitted.

 

[toinou03]

Re: SAN MARINO 2016 - Serhat

OR

Valentina Monetta knocks at every door during the interval act, collects and sends the voting to Jon Ola Sand...