Russia RUSSIA 2016 - Sergey Lazarev - You Are The Only One

[Stiven]

Finally, if you truly believe in what you are saying, then Slovenia should withdraw from ESC once for good and never look back, for obviously in your opinion, certain countries have no chance of winning regardless of the song's quality. And to your info (and everyone else's), in fact, Yugoslavia withdrew from ESC already in the 70's exactly because of political voting. And back then Yugoslavia was sending her bigest music stars, yet nothing helped. So why am I mentioning this? We like to discuss Russia, Eastern block-voting, Balkan-block voting etc., but whenever it comes to the injustice caused or inflected on others by Western/Scandinavian countries, no one gets upset, no one complains, no one protests, no one BOOES, and most importantly only a few of commentators here from these countries are ready to admit that everything what is reproached to Russia, can be easily thrown into the faces of Western countries. To sum up: as we say here, first sweap the floor in your own house, and then tell your neighbour how dirty his/her floor is. I repeat, double standards, double standards, double standards.

Just for your information Yugoslavia withdrew due to poor results which were caused by poor songs the 70's were Yugoslavia weakest decade, and as far as I know none of the songs became evergreens just because they were sang by famous singers doesn't hide the fact that the songs were weak and therefore got the results they deserved. Because when Yugoslavia started sending good songs in the 80's the results improved drastically and almost all the songs became evergreens and as a result it's still common to hear Yugoslav 80's Eurovision entries on the radio and the same thing cannot be said for the 70's (I only heard those songs when I intentionally searched for them)
Sorry for going off-topic but I just hate it when people blame deserved results on block-voting.

 

[GermanBango]

Yes, you may ask. As for your question, I have no answer, for it would be only a guess, just like you are guessing. The fact is that we would never know. The only fact I reckon with in this argument is that Russia gets always more exposure, and whether it is for the right or wrong reason, it doesn't matter, but surely it adds to the fact that people are always paying more attention to their entry. So, my advice to all haters would be: ignore Russia, don't talk about Russia, for as soon as you start engaging in these endless debates, you are giving them deserved/undeserved exposure.

Finally, if you truly believe in what you are saying, then Slovenia should withdraw from ESC once for good and never look back, for obviously in your opinion, certain countries have no chance of winning regardless of the song's quality. And to your info (and everyone else's), in fact, Yugoslavia withdrew from ESC already in the 70's exactly because of political voting. And back then Yugoslavia was sending her bigest music stars, yet nothing helped. So why am I mentioning this? We like to discuss Russia, Eastern block-voting, Balkan-block voting etc., but whenever it comes to the injustice caused or inflected on others by Western/Scandinavian countries, no one gets upset, no one complains, no one protests, no one BOOES, and most importantly only a few of commentators here from these countries are ready to admit that everything what is reproached to Russia, can be easily thrown into the faces of Western countries. To sum up: as we say here, first sweap the floor in your own house, and then tell your neighbour how dirty his/her floor is. I repeat, double standards, double standards, double standards.

Nah that's not what I was trying to say.
Every country can win with an outstanding song and performance BUT there are certain countries (like Russia, Greece or Ukraine and to a certain extend Sweden) that COULD win the whole thing while only sending a decent or even a "bad" song and that's only because of Diaspora-/Neighbor-voting. It's undeniable that it's "easier" for some countries to win.
Let's say Slovenia sends a decent song with a good/outstanding performance while e.g. Russia also sends a decent song with a similar good performance - Who do you think would get more votes in the end?
I'm not saying that Russia is usually ONLY up there because of neighbor-/diaspora-voting but that surely is one of the main reasons for their big success. (They obviously are great in making even bad songs look great on stage - which is notable without a doubt)

 

[Carian]

Just for your information Yugoslavia withdrew due to poor results which were caused by poor songs the 70's were Yugoslavia weakest decade, and as far as I know none of the songs became evergreens just because they were sang by famous singers doesn't hide the fact that the songs were weak and therefore got the results they deserved. Because when Yugoslavia started sending good songs in the 80's the results improved drastically and almost all the songs became evergreens and as a result it's still common to hear Yugoslav 80's Eurovision entries on the radio and the same thing cannot be said for the 70's (I only heard those songs when I intentionally searched for them)
Sorry for going off-topic but I just hate it when people blame deserved results on block-voting.

Nope, officially it was said Yugoslavia withdrew cuz other countries always gave us low/zero points regardless of the songs' quality. Think, we were dissatisfied with results, we withdrew, but when we came back (after reminding Europe how badly they behaved before), our results improved... Quality of songs in the 70's was worse than in 80's? Are you for real? Ciao amore was super bad and that girl trio I don't even remember by name... Those were quality songs? LOL

 

[Carian]

Nah that's not what I was trying to say.
Every country can win with an outstanding song and performance BUT there are certain countries (like Russia, Greece or Ukraine and to a certain extend Sweden) that COULD win the whole thing while only sending a decent or even a "bad" song and that's only because of Diaspora-/Neighbor-voting. It's undeniable that it's "easier" for some countries to win.
Let's say Slovenia sends a decent song with a good/outstanding performance while e.g. Russia also sends a decent song with a similar good performance - Who do you think would get more votes in the end?
I'm not saying that Russia is usually ONLY up there because of neighbor-/diaspora-voting but that surely is one of the main reasons for their big success. (They obviously are great in making even bad songs look great on stage - which is notable without a doubt)

I know we disagree about Russia, but I really like what you wrote in this post - and actually I agree. The fact is/and no-one can deny it, some countries do indeed have more exposure which can easily be interpreted as unfair starting advantage. Thumbs up for your post.

 

[revallsay]

Congratulations Sergey, your song has become my favourite ESC song ever. You have beaten Lordi I really want you to win this year, you deserve it and have my vote

 

[Stiven]

Nope, officially it was said Yugoslavia withdrew cuz other countries always gave us low/zero points regardless of the songs' quality. Think, we were dissatisfied with results, we withdrew, but when we came back (after reminding Europe how badly they behaved before), our results improved... Quality of songs in the 70's was worse than in 80's? Are you for real? Ciao amore was super bad and that girl trio I don't even remember by name... Those were quality songs? LOL

Nope Yugoslavia just blamed block voting for deserved results like cowards who refused to admit mistakes, we got what we deserved in the 70's.
And when talking about the 80's I meant by songs like Dzuli, Jas sam za Ples, Mangup and to an extent Zeljo moja. And Ciao Amore was bad because no body saw it as deserved winner most people wanted Princeza and Macedonians wanted Niki moj and it got the result it deserved (second last) just like most of the 70's song.

 

[Carian]

Nope Yugoslavia just blamed block voting for deserved results like cowards who refused to admit mistakes, we got what we deserved in the 70's.
And when talking about the 80's I meant by songs like Dzuli, Jas sam za Ples, Mangup and to an extent Zeljo moja. And Ciao Amore was bad because no body saw it as deserved winner most people wanted Princeza and Macedonians wanted Niki moj and it got the result it deserved (second last) just like most of the 70's song.

However you put it, right now you've said it that we did withdraw because of the block-voting in the 70's. So... My argument was valid. Block-voting is nothing new and this sort of "ESC behavior" is then obviously not only typical of Balkan and ex-USSR countries, but of all European countries. This is what I wanted to point out in my earlier posts. Or more to the point, what bothers me is that everyone reproaches us (Balkans and ex-USSR) for block-voting - and they boo us - but when they do it, no one is allowed to say a word of complaint. That is all.

 

[VikingTiger]

Or more to the point, what bothers me is that everyone reproaches us (Balkans and ex-USSR) for block-voting - and they boo us - but when they do it, no one is allowed to say a word of complaint. That is all.

... and you yourself has been quite harshly critizicing scandinavian countries for blockvoting in other posts....
We all know that "blockvoting" exists, and that it has always been the case, as you pointed out.
GermanBongo just said it well: "It's undeniable that it's "easier" for some countries to win". And I would add: It's undeniable that it is harder for a handfull of countries with no diaspora and no block/cultural votings going in their favour.

 

[VikingTiger]

I still think Russia is the one to beat this year. Partly because of Russia being one of the more "favoured" countries in the competition, but of course mostly because of the song, of Sergey - and of what I expect to be a VERY professional act!

 

[Stiven]

However you put it, right now you've said it that we did withdraw because of the block-voting in the 70's. So... My argument was valid. Block-voting is nothing new and this sort of "ESC behavior" is then obviously not only typical of Balkan and ex-USSR countries, but of all European countries. This is what I wanted to point out in my earlier posts. Or more to the point, what bothers me is that everyone reproaches us (Balkans and ex-USSR) for block-voting - and they boo us - but when they do it, no one is allowed to say a word of complaint. That is all.

Nope what I wanted to say was:
Yugoslavia sent bad songs in the 70s -> Got the results they deserved -> Blamed everybody else for the deserved results like cowards (Similar to what the UK is doing right now).
If they send good songs in the 70's and got good results they wouldn't have withdrawn and wouldn't have blamed other countries for something that was exclusively their fault.

 

[Bakinka]

 

[Preuss]

I really do understand why Russia is the bookies favourite, and I like the song now, still i want Australia, Germany or Azerbaijan to win, but if not Russia..

 

[Carian]

... and you yourself has been quite harshly critizicing scandinavian countries for blockvoting in other posts....
We all know that "blockvoting" exists, and that it has always been the case, as you pointed out.
GermanBongo just said it well: "It's undeniable that it's "easier" for some countries to win". And I would add: It's undeniable that it is harder for a handfull of countries with no diaspora and no block/cultural votings going in their favour.

VikingTiger, I agree with you, but one correction: insofar as I did criticize Scandinavian block-voting, my intention was not merely to complain about it, but rather to emphasize how grotesque it is when audience in the ESC arena each year booes block-voting from Balkans and ex-USSR states, but aplauds the Nordic-Baltic block-voting. Once again: double standards are under fire by me, not block-voting - this is a fact that no one can deny and our debates here won't eradicate it. Ever. I hope you understand what I am trying to say...

 

[Carian]

Nope what I wanted to say was:
Yugoslavia sent bad songs in the 70s -> Got the results they deserved -> Blamed everybody else for the deserved results like cowards (Similar to what the UK is doing right now).
If they send good songs in the 70's and got good results they wouldn't have withdrawn and wouldn't have blamed other countries for something that was exclusively their fault.

So, if there was no "block-voting" before 1991, how come that Yugoslavia and Turkey, the black sheeps of ESC before 1991, always gave one another generous amounts of points ever since Turkey entered the competion? Turkey always gave Yugoslavia high points, and we reprocicated it in the later years as well... Check it out.

 

[blue00eyes]

Congratulations Sergey, your song has become my favourite ESC song ever. You have beaten Lordi I really want you to win this year, you deserve it and have my vote

2 votes from Poland confirmed already
#blockvoting

 

[GianlucaTomoe]

Wow, liking both Lazarev's song and Lordi's song... one must really have a f****d up musical taste... Jeez

 

[Leydan]

Wow, liking both Lazarev's song and Lordi's song... one must really have a f****d up musical taste... Jeez

Who are you to judge peoples music taste? you're not some sort of elite god of music. Far from it in fact. I could quite easily sit here and criticize your choice for worshiping "Icebreaker" but I wont, because it's your opinion, your choice and you're just as entitled to it as anyone. So I suggest you show other people the same courtesy and respect their music taste.

 

[GianlucaTomoe]

Sorry, I can respect any musical taste, but in this case my opinion is that both songs represent the evil of Eurovision: trashy, cliché, dated europop which heavily relies on gimmicks to stand out.

 

[aardvark]

Wow, liking both Lazarev's song and Lordi's song... one must really have a f****d up musical taste... Jeez

Then I must be f****d up as well! I suppose I'll have to change my meds again. :? xsarcasm

 

[Leydan]

Sorry, I can respect any musical taste, but in this case my opinion is that both songs represent the evil of Eurovision: trashy, cliché, dated europop which heavily relies on gimmicks to stand out.

So that suddenly that means she's got a fucked up music taste? no. It doesn't work like that. You can think that about the songs, it doesn't mean her taste is fucked up.