Russia RUSSIA 2016 - Sergey Lazarev - You Are The Only One

[LalehForWD]

I was never a fan of the song but Sergey Lazarev as a personality continues to grow on me. It is after all important as well and both before and now after the contest he show excellent sportsmanship. Bless him

 

[Dessi]

I'm not arguing, I'm discussing, that's what we are here for no?

You think I don't know there's a music scene outside of ESC? And when I say "fresh and original" yes I refer to the ESC context, but also try to make a comparison with music trends in general and while it's true that ESC is more or less a bubble, you can still try to somewhat objectively put it into the bigger context.

For sure you will never hear the Russian entry on most radio stations in Europe, wheres the Swedish one was played in many markets... why? Because it's (Måns' entry) simply was more "in touch" so to speak... and sure other factors too but there's a huge difference between a dated Schlager-Pop song and a regular Pop song with some country influences... none of them are original in that sense... but most stuff on the radio aren't like highly original either... that's not really what I meant... but there's a difference here, one can try to ignore or admit it.

We won't hear Russia OR Ukraine in Swedish radio...
But we definitely will hear Australia, Latvia and Bulgara. And probably Lithuania...

 

[Carian]

I'm not arguing, I'm discussing, that's what we are here for no?

You think I don't know there's a music scene outside of ESC? And when I say "fresh and original" yes I refer to the ESC context, but also try to make a comparison with music trends in general and while it's true that ESC is more or less a bubble, you can still try to somewhat objectively put it into the bigger context.

For sure you will never hear the Russian entry on most radio stations in Europe, wheres the Swedish one was played in many markets... why? Because it's (Måns' entry) simply was more "in touch" so to speak... and sure other factors too but there's a huge difference between a dated Schlager-Pop song and a regular Pop song with some country influences... none of them are original in that sense... but most stuff on the radio aren't like highly original either... that's not really what I meant... but there's a difference here, one can try to ignore or admit it.

I wasnt trying to say that only you forget about the "broader" context, we all do. However, let me to repeat my previous argument once again: if Sergey is unoriginal for having a dated song, I am not sure how come that Mans had to change his graphics for copyright infringement and the similarities with the song Under the sun (or something like that) is more than obvious... I am telling you, we could argue over this endlessley, and trust me, both of us have good arguments. And for your information, arguing doesn imply I want to slap you while debating with you - to argue can mean only to discuss by puting forwards arguments/claims.

 

[Carian]

I was never a fan of the song but Sergey Lazarev as a personality continues to grow on me. It is after all important as well and both before and now after the contest he show excellent sportsmanship. Bless him

My exact impression of Sergey. I knew him from before this year's ESC, and I always thought he was "imposing" himself too much. But now, after hearing him giving a few interviews, his attitude etc. Well, yep, I can say I have only respect for him. A really nice person and truely one of very few Russian celebrities who stood up for gay rights when Putin introduced those anti-gay laws.

 

[i anixi]

Until 2014 all ESC winners were unanimous choice of both, juries and televote. However, by some strange miracle, the last two years, it is always juries' choice that takes trophy home, so, I really don't think that juries role is to help towards better, fairer results. The purpose of their reintroduction was to soften the effect of the neighborhood voting, not outvoting viewers. That is not something I have signed up when agreing with the reintroduction of juries.

Jury's choice was Australia this time. And by a large margin at that.

 

[LalehForWD]

My exact impression of Sergey. I knew him from before this year's ESC, and I always thought he was "imposing" himself too much. But now, after hearing him giving a few interviews, his attitude etc. Well, yep, I can say I have only respect for him. A really nice person and truely one of very few Russian celebrities who stood up for gay rights when Putin introduced those anti-gay laws.

He can definitely take credit for stopping the rather awful booing. I know very little about him but he keep popping up as someone with reason and morals even when it's not that popular and easy. His opposing of the Russian occupation of Crimea for one very relevant thing.

 

[Carian]

Jury's choice was Australia this time. And by a large margin at that.

Yep, but Ukraine was 100 points behind and the next ones were 200 points back. I think that EBU counted on the fact that Australia would finish higher with televote, cuz it sounded much more friendly to common viewership than Ukraine. In any case, both had a landslide advantage before the finale. It was more than evident that juries didnt want Russia to win. However, regardless whether Ukraine was first or second in the juries votes, it was still favorized by juries much more than Russia. So, first and second place are given to two countries that general audience didnt approve as the winner

 

[Carian]

He can definitely take credit for stopping the rather awful booing. I know very little about him but he keep popping up as someone with reason and morals even when it's not that popular and easy. His opposing of the Russian occupation of Crimea for one very relevant thing.

Moreover consider also that he was still selected as their representative despite he was publicly opposing Putin's policies! So, can we say that Russia is really so undemocratic as some want us believe... You know, I would never expect an outspoken opponent of the state's policies to represent Russia in such event which is obviously very popular in Russia. Honestly, I am seriously questioning Western media reporting about Russia and Russians... Those small details I can gather on my own simply do not fit the general picture that is sold to us in the West...

 

[i anixi]

Yep, but Ukraine was 100 points behind and the next ones were 200 points back. I think that EBU counted on the fact that Australia would finish higher with televote, cuz it sounded much more friendly to common viewership than Ukraine. In any case, both had a landslide advantage before the finale. It was more than evident that juries didnt want Russia to win. However, regardless whether Ukraine was first or second in the juries votes, it was still favorized by juries much more than Russia. So, first and second place are given to two countries that general audience didnt approve as the winner

i understand there are always people who get angry about results, be what they be. Ukraine was 2nd in televote, You can hardly say the public didn't approve of it as a winner. Lots and lots among the public did

 

[Carian]

i understand there are always people who get angry about results, be what they be. Ukraine was 2nd in televote, You can hardly say the public didn't approve of it as a winner. Lots and lots among the public did

I get it, however, it is really bizzare that Sergey got 200 points less than Dami Im and 100 points less than Jamala in jury voting. So, basically, he was indeed robbed by juries no matter how you put it.

 

[Dessi]

Yep, but Ukraine was 100 points behind and the next ones were 200 points back. I think that EBU counted on the fact that Australia would finish higher with televote, cuz it sounded much more friendly to common viewership than Ukraine. In any case, both had a landslide advantage before the finale. It was more than evident that juries didnt want Russia to win. However, regardless whether Ukraine was first or second in the juries votes, it was still favorized by juries much more than Russia. So, first and second place are given to two countries that general audience didnt approve as the winner

Not only EBU. I think SVT thought Australia would win.
Look at the text on Swedish news last night, it doesn't go togheter with the photo of Jamala...

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[LalehForWD]

Moreover consider also that he was still selected as their representative despite he was publicly opposing Putin's policies! So, can we say that Russia is really so undemocratic as some want us believe... You know, I would never expect an outspoken opponent of the state's policies to represent Russia in such event which is obviously very popular in Russia. Honestly, I am seriously questioning Western media reporting about Russia and Russians... Those small details I can gather on my own simply do not fit the general picture that is sold to us in the West...

I think it's very clear for everyone that Russian artists and even in a wider sense Russian creative people in general (journalists, choreographers, ...) are NOT the ones to blame for Putin's policies. In the same sense as Russian athletes. At one point they decide and accept to stand as symbols for the state yes, but the state is not the same as Putin in the long run and honestly what can they do other than accept the chances given to them?

 

[Carian]

Not only EBU. I think SVT thought Australia would win.
Look at the text on Swedish news last night, it doesn't go togheter with the photo of Jamala...

Well, yesterday evening before the show started someone wrote here (I don't know in which thread) in response to my prediction of Sergey's victory that rumours had it in Stockholm yesterday all day long that EBU already "had made arrangements" that Australia ought to win. At the time I thought the guy was joking, but now with this photo of yours it actually only confirms that EBU was really doing all they could to prevent Russia from winning... Well, what can I say? Or better said, what can I or anyone else do? There are simply too many illogical things which only make me to conclude one thing: I should focuss on music and listen to good songs, but rather ignore voting and the so-called "winners". Pure nonsense and waste of time. Take care, and see you around.

 

[Carian]

I think it's very clear for everyone that Russian artists and even in a wider sense Russian creative people in general (journalists, choreographers, ...) are NOT the ones to blame for Putin's policies. In the same sense as Russian athletes. At one point they decide and accept to stand as symbols for the state yes, but the state is not the same as Putin in the long run and honestly what can they do other than accept the chances given to them?

Very well said and very true. And as for accepting the given chance: well, Sergey did not represent only Putin, but he stands also for a long line of very respected artists and poets that are respected around the globe and we learn of them in schools. So, I really do not like when Russian representitive and his persona are reduced/equaled with Putin alone. Being Russian is much more than that, just like being a Slovenian is not only me

 

[Dessi]

Not only EBU. I think SVT thought Australia would win.
Look at the text on Swedish news last night, it doesn't go togheter with the photo of Jamala...

Well, yesterday evening before the show started someone wrote here (I don't know in which thread) in response to my prediction of Sergey's victory that rumours had it in Stockholm yesterday all day long that EBU already "had made arrangements" that Australia ought to win. At the time I thought the guy was joking, but now with this photo of yours it actually only confirms that EBU was really doing all they could to prevent Russia from winning... Well, what can I say? Or better said, what can I or anyone else do? There are simply too many illogical things which only make me to conclude one thing: I should focuss on music and listen to good songs, but rather ignore voting and the so-called "winners". Pure nonsense and waste of time. Take care, and see you around.

I agree with you! Take care Carian and I see you around aswell!

 

[Carian]

I agree with you! Take care Carian and I see you around aswell!

Btw, Dessi, I cannot believe I have found a common tongue with a Swede here Take this as a complement. Usually I piss you off and all Nordic members of this forum "dislike" me - well, this is my impression. However, with you... We speak the same language - that is strange - in a good sense of course.

Oh, but one thing I must say about Swedes and your voting. I think that you are the only Scandinavian country that is not voting strategically or in blocks. All these successes gave you (in my opinion) so much confidence that it seems that you can survive ESC voting even without block-voting I really respect that.

 

[Dessi]

Btw, Dessi, I cannot believe I have found a common tongue with a Swede here Take this as a complement. Usually I piss you off and all Nordic members of this forum "dislike" me - well, this is my impression. However, with you... We speak the same language - that is strange - in a good sense of course.

Oh, but one thing I must say about Swedes and your voting. I think that you are the only Scandinavian country that is not voting strategically or in blocks. All these successes gave you (in my opinion) so much confidence that it seems that you can survive ESC voting even without block-voting I really respect that.

Thanks! But I do think we have a bit of block-voting here as well. But we don't always vote for other nordic countries. The song has to appeal to us and this year Finland and Iceland didn't. So they got low points in the first semi (were we could vote)... Russia, Bosnia, The Netherlands and Armenia got high votes becuse we liked theese songs... Russia got highest votes from our juries in semi 1 = 12 points.

 

[Carian]

Thanks! But I do think we have a bit of block-voting here as well. But we don't always vote for other nordic countries. The song has to appeal to us and this year Finland and Iceland didn't. So they got low points in the first semi (were we could vote)... Russia, Bosnia, The Netherlands and Armenia got high votes becuse we liked theese songs... Russia got highest votes from our juries in semi 1 = 12 points.

True, but Sweden is always a mistery to me when it comes to 12 points, while all other Nordic (and Baltic) countries are quite predictable... Ten years ago it didnt seem so, but now... Total lottery with Sweden, and I like that. The same is would be with Slovenia, but we always have problems with our ex-Yu minorities here that outvote the locals Well, I don't mind when they do so, if Serbia, Croatia etc. have a good song, but this year... Come on, Serbia? Croatia was really good, but got only 8 points in the televote. The funniest thing is that Slovenia often gives Denmark 12 points. Well, not this year, but in the last 10 years, I think they got three times 12 points from us which is quite funny

 

[Chorizo]

He can definitely take credit for stopping the rather awful booing. I know very little about him but he keep popping up as someone with reason and morals even when it's not that popular and easy. His opposing of the Russian occupation of Crimea for one very relevant thing.

I wonder if the audience will boo again next year. Russia is not too popular in Kyiv, as we know, and Russia will obviously not get any favors from the broadcaster next year. Number 2 in the running order wouldn't surprise me at all. After all, someone has to get it, Russia never had it and the Ukrainian broadcaster doesn't have to apply Björkman's philosophy.

 

[Carian]

I wonder if the audience will boo again next year. Russia is not too popular in Kyiv, as we know, and Russia will obviously not get any favors from the broadcaster next year. Number 2 in the running order wouldn't surprise me at all. After all, someone has to get it, Russia never had it and the Ukrainian broadcaster doesn't have to apply Björkman's philosophy.

Yeah, but Russia even with number 2 will make it to top10 cuz they bring all into the game I wonder if Nyusha is really coming next year Maybe Svetlana Loboda, but this time for Russia LOL