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On the other hand, everyone who received 0 pts reacted like a champs xbow
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True, which I am really happy for.
Oh btw I can not forget to mention 🇧🇪 Hooverphonic as well who received 3 points, absolutely loved it xrofl xbow
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Considering all the dance/uptempo genre that I'm not fond of, :cy: was, imo, the most professional act and didn't look amateurish as all the others. If any of those songs deserved a top 10, it wasn't :gr:, but :cy:, instead. The singer has got charisma and style and she actually sings xrollinglol , considering the type of songs, it was very well performed and the only song of those which melody I actually remember. xthink (:eek: It's surprising I actually remember it :lol:).
 
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2. The Swiss singer's face while the televoting took place made him look pretentious . He could hardly "swallow" what was going on.
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Exactly. I was wondering why nobody mentioned that before. His facial expression was as if he was really uncomfortable with the situation and couldn't believe what was happening around him. Maybe he almost forsaw that he wouldn't win.
 
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Now that it is all over, I would like to wrap up this years ESC, as it was iconic in many ways.

And this time I will reveal sth I haven't thus far (because I didn't want to "preach" to anybody here) - I was playing piano and guitar for 12 years before I started law school. I know music (and industry of it, unfortunately).

Most of the lays in music like or dislike a song, and I hear a song. That is very different.

E.g. when I hear the Swiss song, even though I pretty much hated it, I knew it was a quality production and vocal and that it will do well. Because of that and out of respect for their artistic work I have never said a bad word about Gjon or the song.

Unfortunately, I cannot say the same thing about what Italian Maneskin and some other artists had to go through this year in social media and this forum as well.

Unfortunately I cannot say the same thing about myself being a member to this forum as every time I said something about Italy or gave a critic to some other entries, I was slandered in a moment from fangirls.

Now, I predicted the juries will give nice points to Italy and that it will be top 5. I was even trying to explain to you as a musician the composition of the song and the vocal quality, but I was mocked each time I said it.

Well, the results are here now.

Then I predicted that Pravi will not win juries simply because the melodics of the song are unoriginal and poor and the only thing carrying the juries' votes will be her amazing vocal expression.

Then I predicted that the televote will split between Swiss and France because they had practically the same performance and target audience, and it happened.

The poor results of televote for bops such as Malta, Cyprus and San Marino, were not a surprise for me.

I posted here a week ago, and @Trece got bit angry haah, a special message to all the bops and screaming divas (including my own Albina). I said that these bops are poorly produced, without a basic knowledge of digitally composing electro - pop. And people, even uneducated in music, can hear it well. People are not deaf. I also said to San Marino that the audience is tired od Latin American bops. They failed exactly for what I said. The juries knew what I was saying, and therefore tried to save Malta only, and we all know the underlying "industry" reason thereto.

When it comes to televote for Italy, I was always saying that the juries will split in favouring three entries and that Italian televote will bring them victory as it will be massive.

People mocked me again here saying that this uncommercial song cannot have a massive fan support.

And I said once, in the Italian thread, that this very wrong assumption, as Italians have brought to ESC a new anthem of new generation.

In the Italy's thread I said Maneskin and Zitti e buoni is a momentum in music as was the first time Nirvana released Smells like teen spirit. That song was no. 1 MTV song for a year, despite being far from commercial. To this day, despite YouTube not being in existence, SLTS has 1,3 BILLION views on YT, and is loved and was adapted by musicians of all genres, pop, classic music. It is a fav song of Destiny's Child for God's sake, Kelly said they would play Nirvana before kicking stage haha.

All of those who were limited to the opinion Rock can't wing had forgotten the principal message of music - music is transgenerational and eclectic and quality will always overpass genre differences.

Maneskin had not only won Eurovision, yesterday they (actually Damiano as lyricist) were awarded also for best lyrics of ESC by a professional jury.

The song that won is 1st class rock composition, delivered by a bariton who hit every high note and rapped and screamed in 3 minutes.

The song that won sent us a message of courage and truth.

And above all, the people who won wrote their own lyrics, wrote every melodic note by themselves, and sang their song without autotune and back vocals.

We can be satisfied that the music won the industry lobbies and the artists who made tailor-made music to please a lobby or a jury.

We the people, unbiased and thankful for the quality music and the passionate message delivered to us - we the people won.

🤟❤🇮🇹

PS And I am so happy that my 2nd and 3rd fav, original Lithuania and Ukraine, had won the hearts of audience.
 
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Some things worth noting:
:fi: getting it`s best result in 14 years
:fr: getting it`s best result in 30 years
:gr: getting it`s best result in 8 years
:is: getting it`s best result in 12 years (their third best overall)
:it: getting it`s best result in 31 years
:lt: getting it`s best result in 15 years (2nd best overall)
:mt: getting it`s best result in 16 years
:rs: getting it`s best result in 8 years
:ch: getting it`s best result in 24 years
 
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PollyWantsACracker said:
Now that it is all over, I would like to wrap up this years ESC, as it was iconic in many ways.

And this time I will reveal sth I haven't thus far (because I didn't want to "preach" to anybody here) - I was playing piano and guitar for 12 years before I started law school. I know music (and industry of it, unfortunately).

Most of the lays in music like or dislike a song, and I hear a song. That is very different.

E.g. when I hear the Swiss song, even though I pretty much hated it, I knew it was a quality production and vocal and that it will do well. Because of that and out of respect for their artistic work I have never said a bad word about Gjon or the song.

Unfortunately, I cannot say the same thing about what Italian Maneskin and some other artists had to go through this year in social media and this forum as well.

Unfortunately I cannot say the same thing about myself being a member to this forum as every time I said something about Italy or gave a critic to some other entries, I was slandered in a moment from fangirls.

Now, I predicted the juries will give nice points to Italy and that it will be top 5. I was even trying to explain to you as a musician the composition of the song and the vocal quality, but I was mocked each time I said it.

Well, the results are here now.

Then I predicted that Pravi will not win juries simply because the melodics of the song are unoriginal and poor and the only thing carrying the juries' votes will be her amazing vocal expression.

Then I predicted that the televote will split between Swiss and France because they had practically the same performance and target audience, and it happened.

The poor results of televote for bops such as Malta, Cyprus and San Marino, were not a surprise for me.

I posted here a week ago, and @Trece got bit angry haah, a special message to all the bops and screaming divas (including my own Albina). I said that these bops are poorly produced, without a basic knowledge of digitally composing electro - pop. And people, even uneducated in music, can hear it well. People are not deaf. I also said to San Marino that the audience is tired od Latin American bops. They failed exactly for what I said. The juries knew what I was saying, and therefore tried to save Malta only, and we all know the underlying "industry" reason thereto.

When it comes to televote for Italy, I was always saying that the juries will split in favouring three entries and that Italian televote will bring them victory as it will be massive.

People mocked me again here saying that this uncommercial song cannot have a massive fan support.

And I said once, in the Italian thread, that this very wrong assumption, as Italians have brought to ESC a new anthem of new generation.

In the Italy's thread I said Maneskin and Zitti e buoni is a momentum in music as was the first time Nirvana released Smells like teen spirit. That song was no. 1 MTV song for a year, despite being far from commercial. To this day, despite YouTube not being in existence, SLTS has 1,3 BILLION views on YT, and is loved and was adapted by musicians of all genres, pop, classic music. It is a fav song of Destiny's Child for God's sake, Kelly said they would play Nirvana before kicking stage haha.

All of those who were limited to the opinion Rock can't wing had forgotten the principal message of music - music is transgenerational and eclectic and quality will always overpass genre differences.

Maneskin had not only won Eurovision, yesterday they (actually Damiano as lyricist) were awarded also for best lyrics of ESC by a professional jury.

The song that won is 1st class rock composition, delivered by a bariton who hit every high note and rapped and screamed in 3 minutes.

The song that won sent us a message of courage and truth.

And above all, the people who won wrote their own lyrics, wrote every melodic note by themselves, and sang their song without autotune and back vocals.

We can be satisfied that the music won the industry lobbies and the artists who made tailor-made music to please a lobby or a jury.

We the people, unbiased and thankful for the quality music and the passionate message delivered to us - we the people won.

🤟❤🇮🇹

PS And I am so happy that my 2nd and 3rd fav, original Lithuania and Ukraine, had won the hearts of audience.
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İ agree with all expect you mentioning juries 'They saw this, They heard this' they did not. We look at combined scores and they are ok, but if we take every jury separately they are all dont have a single idea about music when they voted, it was all about voting safe for bookies favorites, corruption (İ doubt you think Moldova was so good to get high points from some juries), neighbour voting once again, blanking main rivals (see France, İtaly, Malta voting etc)
No, juries didn't see anything
 
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@Trece I talked about French jury on the French thread and when seeing results on TV I thought that they were playing bad towards other favourites but looking at their votes... They just don't agree on anything, which at the end leads to this strange results (+ we wonder if one of them didn't put its scores upside down in the SF or made mistakes). To me it's just a chaotic group of 5 people having really different music opinion: one of them put Finland 1st and Italy 3rd for exemple, and Italy was 11th. Yeah maybe I tend to see the nicest possibility but it's how I feel.
 
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::slf civil war happening soon.



Lol no. It wasn't her best night. She looked tired, lacked energy and her voice...well, never mind. She was much better at the semi.
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It would be funny if we had a "home war" because of the genre itself. xrofl I could imagine 1000 other reasons, certainly not that one. :lol:
 
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So happy Italy won!

Greece did a lot better than I expected. With better staging, could have done a top 5.

Happy France did so well!

Ukraine should have scored at least a few more from the jury and I would have won my bet - Italy Win, Ukraine Top 3 and Russia Top 10 :(

UK deserved to get 0. Let's be real. Which country was going to put the UK in one of their Top 10 songs?
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:ua: did pretty well with the juries actually, much better than I expected. I suspected that their ethno-rave would finish bottom 5 with them with like 30 points total but we saw them getting 7 points etc. from some juries outside of 'Eastern block'.
 
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:ua: did pretty well with the juries actually, much better than I expected. I suspected that their ethno-rave would finish bottom 5 with them with like 30 points total but we saw them getting 7 points etc. from some juries outside of 'Eastern block'.
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Actually no slavic country gave points to Ukraine thats so eh
 
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Trece said:
İ agree with all expect you mentioning juries 'They saw this, They heard this' they did not. We look at combined scores and they are ok, but if we take every jury separately they are all dont have a single idea about music when they voted, it was all about voting safe for bookies favorites, corruption (İ doubt you think Moldova was so good to get high points from some juries), neighbour voting once again, blanking main rivals (see France, İtaly, Malta voting etc)
No, juries didn't see anything
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Most of the juries had recognized the Swiss song as a real artistic pop winner and the quality of France and Iceland (! That was a class pop production). That was fine.

The rest of their votes I agree are A SHAME of music industry.

Some juries as a whole also! Greek, Cypriot etc.

The most pathetic was French jury not giving any votes to their 3 rivals Malta Italy Swiss. That was below human dignity for a music professional! Pathetic!

They, the juries, should be abolished!

And the ones who were robbed masively by the juries was Ukraine. Their electro-rave composition blended with folk music was produced on high standards and the most original thing I heard in ESC. They taught us how national folk can be transposed to great music achivement without looking cheap bland and unoriginal.
 
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PollyWantsACracker said:
Most of the juries had recognized the Swiss song as a real artistic pop winner and the quality of France and Iceland (! That was a class pop production). That was fine.

The rest of their votes I agree are A SHAME of music industry.

Some juries as a whole also! Greek, Cypriot etc.

The most pathetic was French jury not giving any votes to their 3 rivals Malta Italy Swiss. That was below human dignity for a music professional! Pathetic!

They, the juries, should be abolished!

And the ones who were robbed masively by the juries was Ukraine. Their electro-rave composition blended with folk music was produced on high standards and the most original thing I heard in ESC. They taught us how national folk can be transposed to great music achivement without looking cheap bland and unoriginal.
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İ tend to think they paid attention to these 3 only because they were odds faves and hyped by everyone. Belgium has also real high quality song but was never hyped or high in odds so we saw juries also overlooked them
 
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@PollyWantsACracker France DID give 7 points to Switzerland and Italy was 11th (3rd, 8th and 10th with 3 jurors out of 5). When seeing their voting, explain to me what proves that they purposely put some song below top 10 while all their voting are so different from each others:

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