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Sammy

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[MENTION=14818]lightcity[/MENTION]
Don't try to play the amateur psychologist with my. I'm not frustrated in any way.
Whether you did it on purpose of without knowing, you used a well known antisemitic rhetoric that has nothing to do with diaspora voting in the ESC. The fact that you think there is such a thing than "sexual orientation diaspora" let me assume that you rather did it inadvertently, as you seem to have no clear understanding what the term diaspora actually means.

A diaspora (from Greek διασπορά, "scattering, dispersion") is a scattered population whose origin lies within a smaller geographic locale. Diaspora can also refer to the movement of the population from its original homeland.

So there are no "types of diaspora" as you assume.
Which brings me back to your "sexual orientation diaspora". Please show me the country or nation, that is defined by the sexual orientation of its citizens who emigrated to other countries to form a diaspora there. This is complete and utter nonsense.

The diaspora voting is thus a relatively constant positive effect for some countries where there has been a lot of emigration over the last decades or, in the case of Armenia, over the last century. The effect is due to the national identification in the first place. But this is clearly NOT the decisive reason for winning, as the recent victories of Denmark, Sweden, Norway, and especially Germany or Austria prove.

Israel has not seen a lot of Israeli emigrating to other countries since the foundation of the modern state, but rather the other way round. Furthermore, Israel has had very different results over the years from winning to being last, so there is clearly NO diaspora voting that plays a role here. (If there had been, Israel would for sure have qualified for instance in 2014). So when you talk about millions of jews in the world (which is ridiculous to bring up here since the overwhelming majority of them are in the United States, and don't even have the chance to vote in the ESC) you refer to a much older diaspora that plays absolutely NO role in the ESC.

So instead of suggesting for me to "open my eyes" (another term often used in conspiracy theory rhetoric), I give you back a piece of advice: do some reading.
 

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Don't try to play the amateur psychologist with my. I'm not frustrated in any way.
Whether you did it on purpose of without knowing, you used a well known antisemitic rhetoric that has nothing to do with diaspora voting in the ESC. The fact that you think there is such a thing than "sexual orientation diaspora" let me assume that you rather did it inadvertently, as you seem to have no clear understanding what the term diaspora actually means.

A diaspora (from Greek διασπορά, "scattering, dispersion") is a scattered population whose origin lies within a smaller geographic locale. Diaspora can also refer to the movement of the population from its original homeland.

So there are no "types of diaspora" as you assume.
Which brings me back to your "sexual orientation diaspora". Please show me the country or nation, that is defined by the sexual orientation of its citizens who emigrated to other countries to form a diaspora there. This is complete and utter nonsense.

The diaspora voting is thus a relatively constant positive effect for some countries where there has been a lot of emigration over the last decades or, in the case of Armenia, over the last century. The effect is due to the national identification in the first place. But this is clearly NOT the decisive reason for winning, as the recent victories of Denmark, Sweden, Norway, and especially Germany or Austria prove.

Israel has not seen a lot of Israeli emigrating to other countries since the foundation of the modern state, but rather the other way round. Furthermore, Israel has had very different results over the years from winning to being last, so there is clearly NO diaspora voting that plays a role here. (If there had been, Israel would for sure have qualified for instance in 2014). So when you talk about millions of jews in the world (which is ridiculous to bring up here since the overwhelming majority of them are in the United States, and don't even have the chance to vote in the ESC) you refer to a much older diaspora that plays absolutely NO role in the ESC.

So instead of suggesting for me to "open my eyes" (another term often used in conspiracy theory rhetoric), I give you back a piece of advice: do some reading.

God....please get your lessons for you.....The term diaspora comes from an ancient Greek word meaning "to scatter about." And that's exactly what the people of a diaspora do — they scatter from their homeland to places across the globe, spreading their culture as they go. The Bible refers to the Diaspora of Jews exiled from Israel by the Babylonians. But the word is now also used more generally to describe any large migration of refugees, language, or culture....diaspora is also synonyms of "dispersion" of course as you can use it for language,culture, land, also you can use it for other terms like sexual orientation, political or religion orientations! please grow up and open your eyes...read the results of 60 years of esc history....if you know a litle bit of statistic and probability you can understand what I mean.
 

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I just came here to say that i subscribe everything that lightcity just said. Why the hell did RTP decided to return next year when we are always badly treated. In 60 years of this contest the best we got was a...6th place? Are you kidding me? Even Moldova or Lithuania with pure jokes have the same record as us. No, even better. Australia, a non-european country, had their first participation last year and they got a...5th place! HAHAHAHA, it's pathetic! We're not in a good financial situation so why are we bothering with this? All i can say is that i'm proud of my country because we are going to Eurovision to represent our own culture unlike most of the countries who are nothing but puppets of the Swedish pop machine and i'm glad that we prefer to go with quality entries instead of fake gimmicks like Finland 2006 or Austria 2014.
 

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I just came here to say that i subscribe everything that lightcity just said. Why the hell did RTP decided to return next year when we are always badly treated. In 60 years of this contest the best we got was a...6th place? Are you kidding me? Even Moldova or Lithuania with pure jokes have the same record as us. No, even better. Australia, a non-european country, had their first participation last year and they got a...5th place! HAHAHAHA, it's pathetic! We're not in a good financial situation so why are we bothering with this? All i can say is that i'm proud of my country because we are going to Eurovision to represent our own culture unlike most of the countries who are nothing but puppets of the Swedish pop machine and i'm glad that we prefer to go with quality entries instead of fake gimmicks like Finland 2006 or Austria 2014.

Well then,

Bring back Vania Fernandes or simply make Nelly Furtado to sing and you will see Portugal in the final on the left side.
 

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Well then,

Bring back Vania Fernandes or simply make Nelly Furtado to sing and you will see Portugal in the final on the left side.

Sorry, but we already sent Vania with a winner song and once again, all Europe decided to hate us by giving a pathetic 13th place. No deal!
 

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Sorry, but we already sent Vania with a winner song and once again, all Europe decided to hate us by giving a pathetic 13th place. No deal!

Oh please, 13th is a good placing. The most important thing to consider is qualifying to the final and Portugal achieved it also achieving following year of 2009. Also there were couple songs that could win; Armenia, Ukraine, Greece etc.

Don't forget Vania achieved 2nd in the semi final results and she would be very much welcome of attempting again especially with what Bulgaria doing Poli Genova failed for the first time and she is 1 of the top singers predicted to qualify this year and Bulgaria has the same situation with Portugal in terms of qualifying etc.

Also if you look into the 2015 contest, Suzy did not have that good quality to achieve qualification. If RTP finally made Nelly to take part then I could see a Top 5 for Portugal if it has the right song with it. If Catarina Pereira takes part in the NF for 2017 with something better than Cantor Por Mim it may be likely that she could qualify to the Grand Final.
 

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Sorry, but we already sent Vania with a winner song and once again, all Europe decided to hate us by giving a pathetic 13th place. No deal!

Vania's song sucked hard btw. It was over-dramatic and as a person who doesn't speak Portuguese I didn't understand why was she like that and tbh, it looked really funny and pathetic on stage.

Also, Portugal mostly sends songs that aren't really that great. Sorry to burst your bubble but you can't expect to qualify with a song like 2011 or a song performed by Suzy who had the looks of a cheap Bulgarian hooker from the '90s.

You had Catarina Pereira back in 2010 but you sent Filipa Azevedo. The 2011 was really BAD. I don't even remember your song back in 2012 nor 2013. I already said my opinion for your 2014 song and tbh, the song last year was just boring. Sorry but not sorry.
 

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Vania's song sucked hard btw. It was over-dramatic and as a person who doesn't speak Portuguese I didn't understand why was she like that and tbh, it looked really funny and pathetic on stage.

Also, Portugal mostly sends songs that aren't really that great. Sorry to burst your bubble but you can't expect to qualify with a song like 2011 or a song performed by Suzy who had the looks of a cheap Bulgarian hooker from the '90s.

You had Catarina Pereira back in 2010 but you sent Filipa Azevedo. The 2011 was really BAD. I don't even remember your song back in 2012 nor 2013. I already said my opinion for your 2014 song and tbh, the song last year was just boring. Sorry but not sorry.

Jesus, tbh, you are more than a bit rude about it. Tbh. You are however, and sadly for us, mostly right, and I'd say it was sirpetergriffin who brought it upon himself in the first place, so in a way he deserved it.

People are entitled to their opinions and all that, but sometimes i feel people can become too bitter and therefore unobjective about their own stuff. Yes, Portugal is mainly to blame for their lack of success in ESC. It's not very hard to see that. We might have suffered some measure of injustice in the old days (1970s) as I believe there were some truly good songs then, but it's really too far back and I don't think I can properly judge it. There was nothing in the 1980s and there were a couple of nice-ish entries in he 1990s which got deserving top 10 placings.

Then there was only Vânia Fernandes, who, by the way, is a very nice girl but no career singer unfortunately. She did a great job, but there's no reason to suppose she would repeat her "success" were she to come back. It's all about the song and not the singer, when all's said and done, and songs seem to be what we find it hard to do. I happen to like that entry very much and believe it to be our best to date. I can understand, however, that a song about death and widowhood may not be everyone's cup of tea in the ESC bubble on saturday night and it may come across as a bit ridiculous if you don't know what it's all about. It could have been top 5 if we had been lucky, but it was never a winning song. Of course it wasn't.

Apart from that, everything else ranged from godawful bad to bland or irrelevant and it is very unbecoming and a bit embarrassing as well to blame anyone but ourselves for it. We clearly need another approach to the contest and have done so for a long, long while as miracles don't really happen, do they?

I did try to be honest about it, right? ;)
 

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Sorry, but we already sent Vania with a winner song and once again, all Europe decided to hate us by giving a pathetic 13th place. No deal!

Ehh? Taste of music is quite subjective, but 13th place is way too good for Vania's song.
 

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Jesus, tbh, you are more than a bit rude about it. Tbh. You are however, and sadly for us, mostly right, and I'd say it was sirpetergriffin who brought it upon himself in the first place, so in a way he deserved it.

People are entitled to their opinions and all that, but sometimes i feel people can become too bitter and therefore unobjective about their own stuff. Yes, Portugal is mainly to blame for their lack of success in ESC. It's not very hard to see that. We might have suffered some measure of injustice in the old days (1970s) as I believe there were some truly good songs then, but it's really too far back and I don't think I can properly judge it. There was nothing in the 1980s and there were a couple of nice-ish entries in he 1990s which got deserving top 10 placings.

Then there was only Vânia Fernandes, who, by the way, is a very nice girl but no career singer unfortunately. She did a great job, but there's no reason to suppose she would repeat her "success" were she to come back. It's all about the song and not the singer, when all's said and done, and songs seem to be what we find it hard to do. I happen to like that entry very much and believe it to be our best to date. I can understand, however, that a song about death and widowhood may not be everyone's cup of tea in the ESC bubble on saturday night and it may come across as a bit ridiculous if you don't know what it's all about. It could have been top 5 if we had been lucky, but it was never a winning song. Of course it wasn't.

Apart from that, everything else ranged from godawful bad to bland or irrelevant and it is very unbecoming and a bit embarrassing as well to blame anyone but ourselves for it. We clearly need another approach to the contest and have done so for a long, long while as miracles don't really happen, do they?

I did try to be honest about it, right? ;)


NOW you start to see the problems. Portuguese people are musical and Portugal has a nice music scene. I don't know why you send so many bad songs. We have the same problem in Bulgaria. What we send to ESC is definitely what you will hear in a Bulgarian club. I think that our entry from this year reflects what you will hear in Bulgaria.
Talking about Portugal, I really liked the 2007 (the revamped version) and the 2009 songs though.
 

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NOW you start to see the problems. Portuguese people are musical and Portugal has a nice music scene. I don't know why you send so many bad songs. We have the same problem in Bulgaria. What we send to ESC is definitely what you will hear in a Bulgarian club. I think that our entry from this year reflects what you will hear in Bulgaria.
Talking about Portugal, I really liked the 2007 (the revamped version) and the 2009 songs though.

I have always seen them, I'm not starting now, lol :D

No, we're not particularly musical, nor is our musical scene particularly nice. Our music industry is poor and small. Sometimes a nice song, or a nice singer, comes along. There's never too many of them though :)

Not a fan of your entry this year. It's decent and contemporary and I understand it's a bit of a fan favourite, but myself I find it bland and forgettable. Loved your 2007 song though and it remains one of my favourite ESC entries ever.

Portugal 2007 I find to be of truly bad taste and 2009 was kind of sweet, but it was nothing, really.
 

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Yeah the reason why Portugal has been doing badly for most of its ESC history is RTP.
What Portugal needs to do is a shift in strategy like Yugoslavia did.
In the 1970s Yugoslavia was mostly interested in sending big names to the contest while undermining the songs and as a result it got deserved bad results.
In the 1980s this changed and they were more focused on the songs rather than the singers (for example in 1983 a relatively unknown Danijel beat one of the most famous Yugoslav singers Lepa Brena) and as a result the bad places were replaced with good places and as a bonus many of the songs became evergreens ( Hajde da Ludujemo being the most successful at that).
I still wonder why RTP has for the most part not changed its strategy, because I do genuinely want to see Portugal to get a good result at the contest, but RTP is making that nearly impossible.
And also correct me if I'm wrong but by what I have read RTP has never even tried to win the contest.
 

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Yeah the reason why Portugal has been doing badly for most of its ESC history is RTP.
What Portugal needs to do is a shift in strategy like Yugoslavia did.
In the 1970s Yugoslavia was mostly interested in sending big names to the contest while undermining the songs and as a result it got deserved bad results.
In the 1980s this changed and they were more focused on the songs rather than the singers (for example in 1983 a relatively unknown Danijel beat one of the most famous Yugoslav singers Lepa Brena) and as a result the bad places were replaced with good places and as a bonus many of the songs became evergreens ( Hajde da Ludujemo being the most successful at that).
I still wonder why RTP has for the most part not changed its strategy, because I do genuinely want to see Portugal to get a good result at the contest, but RTP is making that nearly impossible.
And also correct me if I'm wrong but by what I have read RTP has never even tried to win the contest.

that is right Stiven, what we ( portuguese people) don´t understand is why is RTP sending again and again songs to ESC... for me and millions of portuguese people we do prefer to withdraw from ESC...in Portugal no one cares about ESC except 100 or 200 esc fans...no one see the contest in TV...why? because we know that never and never Portugal will win!!
 

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I just came here to say that i subscribe everything that lightcity just said. Why the hell did RTP decided to return next year when we are always badly treated. In 60 years of this contest the best we got was a...6th place? Are you kidding me? Even Moldova or Lithuania with pure jokes have the same record as us. No, even better. Australia, a non-european country, had their first participation last year and they got a...5th place! HAHAHAHA, it's pathetic! We're not in a good financial situation so why are we bothering with this? All i can say is that i'm proud of my country because we are going to Eurovision to represent our own culture unlike most of the countries who are nothing but puppets of the Swedish pop machine and i'm glad that we prefer to go with quality entries instead of fake gimmicks like Finland 2006 or Austria 2014.

That is right but....this contest is not for us....we need to stop this...RTP is spending money from portuguese people for nothing and they are so stupid that can´t see that is absolutely stupid that in 60 years RTP did´t win...is the only country in Europe that is in ESC for 60 years and never win....what are we doing in this contest except spend money in a stupid way??
 

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I can only speak for myself, but if Portugal turned away from the ESC it would break my heart. As I see it it is only the songs that hold you back. They admittedly used to be a bit dated and lacking a certain oompf, but that can be changed. And the artists can take on the contest any time, for example last year Leonor was fierce! If she had swapped songs with Nina she would have rocked da house. xrockout
 
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