Liam
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Couldn't a different Laura Pausini song be entered in its place (should it reach the final)? It seems unfair since there was no way this could've been identified, Tohru didn't even participate that edition.
NSC 57 in Horehronieland | SEMI 2 | DL: 11.09 21h
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Couldn't a different Laura Pausini song be entered in its place (should it reach the final)? It seems unfair since there was no way this could've been identified, Tohru didn't even participate that edition.
Le Bruit
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I don't think there's a need to create a concussion with that. 
I would let the song participate as it is, since nobody should be blamed and therefore, there isn't any ''violation of rules'' on purpose. In a case of a winning scenario, the song in 2nd position should be claimed the winner.
I would let the song participate as it is, since nobody should be blamed and therefore, there isn't any ''violation of rules'' on purpose. In a case of a winning scenario, the song in 2nd position should be claimed the winner. 
Bojan
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I agree.I don't think there's a need to create a concussion with that.
ronny1988
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Comino NSC 48 was the italian Version of the song and tohru nsc 57 is the spanish version of the song. i think this is a difference that we can accept.
@Liam: if i have to correct my REJU-Votes please send me a pm.
@Liam: if i have to correct my REJU-Votes please send me a pm.
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Songs have been disqualified straight away in the past after discovery of former participation in NSC
(Streets ET NSC 17, if you want a precise example xD)
They weren't allowed continued participation; the entry was changed.
The difference between then and now is that that instance was noticed almost immediately, with ample time for the change to happen.
Giving Tohru the opportunity to change is still technically an option, but it means that everyone (both semi and reju) who has voted in Semi 2 will have to potentially change their votes to accommodate the change. We'd probably need a deadline extension for that.
If the song is just removed, only the people who actually voted for Tohru will have to add in an 11th placer.
It's an awkward situation, but it would ultimately be more unfair to allow its continued participation... It would be unfair on Comino, who already sent the song that was rightfully their own, and it would be unfair on other Semi 2 participants, who are being put up against a song with an established position within NSC already (although it came 11th in the semi in NSC 48, this would be a lot clearer if it was a winner, for example)
While we don't want to punish Tohru for something he wasn't expected to know, removal from this semi at this stage is the basic necessity unfortunately. We will be prepared to offer some sort of compensation for Tohru in NSC 58, which will be discussed in due course. Sincere apologies to JackBauer of course, who's had to go through this unaware When you come online, I hope you don't feel too angry; feel free to PM one of the mods to discuss the situation and what can happen for you in NSC 58
This is my take on the situation anyway...
(Streets ET NSC 17, if you want a precise example xD)
They weren't allowed continued participation; the entry was changed.
The difference between then and now is that that instance was noticed almost immediately, with ample time for the change to happen.
Giving Tohru the opportunity to change is still technically an option, but it means that everyone (both semi and reju) who has voted in Semi 2 will have to potentially change their votes to accommodate the change. We'd probably need a deadline extension for that.
If the song is just removed, only the people who actually voted for Tohru will have to add in an 11th placer.
It's an awkward situation, but it would ultimately be more unfair to allow its continued participation... It would be unfair on Comino, who already sent the song that was rightfully their own, and it would be unfair on other Semi 2 participants, who are being put up against a song with an established position within NSC already (although it came 11th in the semi in NSC 48, this would be a lot clearer if it was a winner, for example)
While we don't want to punish Tohru for something he wasn't expected to know, removal from this semi at this stage is the basic necessity unfortunately. We will be prepared to offer some sort of compensation for Tohru in NSC 58, which will be discussed in due course. Sincere apologies to JackBauer of course, who's had to go through this unaware
When you come online, I hope you don't feel too angry; feel free to PM one of the mods to discuss the situation and what can happen for you in NSC 58 This is my take on the situation anyway...
Liam
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Done, even though I think it's the biggest piece of crap in the contest
I think Strajker and Simon should decide between themselves. I got to make the decision in NSC 54 afterall.Liam
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Songs have been disqualified straight away in the past after discovery of former participation in NSC
(Streets ET NSC 17, if you want a precise example xD)
They weren't allowed continued participation; the entry was changed.
The difference between then and now is that that instance was noticed almost immediately, with ample time for the change to happen.
Giving Tohru the opportunity to change is still technically an option, but it means that everyone (both semi and reju) who has voted in Semi 2 will have to potentially change their votes to accommodate the change. We'd probably need a deadline extension for that.
If the song is just removed, only the people who actually voted for Tohru will have to add in an 11th placer.
It's an awkward situation, but it would ultimately be more unfair to allow its continued participation... It would be unfair on Comino, who already sent the song that was rightfully their own, and it would be unfair on other Semi 2 participants, who are being put up against a song with an established position within NSC already (although it came 11th in the semi in NSC 48, this would be a lot clearer if it was a winner, for example)
While we don't want to punish Tohru for something he wasn't expected to know, removal from this semi at this stage is the basic necessity unfortunately. We will be prepared to offer some sort of compensation for Tohru in NSC 58, which will be discussed in due course. Sincere apologies to JackBauer of course, who's had to go through this unaware
This is my take on the situation anyway...
But isn't it all of our faults for not noticing it sooner? Tohru is being punished because of our lateness
And as much as you say it's not a punishment, it pretty much is... a disqualification is a punishment at the end of the day and I don't agree with it at all But I'm sure I am outnumbered. No amount in compensation will make up for being disqualified, so I don't expect Tohru to take this well, and I'd probably support him in that. It's not even my entry so I shouldn't even care OHHH AND... (edit)
If this is what will happen from now, we should just disqualify all already entered entries, even before confirmation period ends - it's just that some are lucky enough to have someone notice for them to change it, Tohru was not.
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Fearnavigatr
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ANNOUNCEMENT
This is a very unfortunate situation, and we regret it wasn't discovered much sooner. However, no can really be blamed for what's happened and no one is being held responsible.
Unfortunately our rules say clear as day that a particular song may only participate in NSC once, including covers or alternate versions. We can not make any exceptions to this rule, and therefore it's been agreed in a discussion between the hosts and the moderators that Tohru, regretfully, will be disqualified from NSC 57. It's too far into the edition to change the entry, and we will discuss a proper compensation for Tohru next edition.
For now, we ask everyone who's already voted for Tohru to correct their votes with a new one-pointer ASAP, this goes for both the semi 2 participants and the rest jury voters. You are being contacted about this privately as we speak.
Further details are coming up, but this is what's being done about the situation.
This is a very unfortunate situation, and we regret it wasn't discovered much sooner. However, no can really be blamed for what's happened and no one is being held responsible.
Unfortunately our rules say clear as day that a particular song may only participate in NSC once, including covers or alternate versions. We can not make any exceptions to this rule, and therefore it's been agreed in a discussion between the hosts and the moderators that Tohru, regretfully, will be disqualified from NSC 57. It's too far into the edition to change the entry, and we will discuss a proper compensation for Tohru next edition.
For now, we ask everyone who's already voted for Tohru to correct their votes with a new one-pointer ASAP, this goes for both the semi 2 participants and the rest jury voters. You are being contacted about this privately as we speak.
Further details are coming up, but this is what's being done about the situation.
94ayd
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That's a harder situation to deal with since it's not EXACTLY the same song, IMO.
ronny1988
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correct. cominos version was in italian and tohrus version is the spanish version. and the songtitle is different. thats the reason why we (the hosts.., etc) didn't noticed this earlier.
Well what can i say?
I checked the song on the NSC entries and saw a few laura Pausini and never imagine one of them could be the same than mine but in a different language
I apologize to the people who have to organize this edition for all the problems i caused
Now can i still vote for my semi & in the final!
I checked the song on the NSC entries and saw a few laura Pausini and never imagine one of them could be the same than mine but in a different language
I apologize to the people who have to organize this edition for all the problems i caused
Now can i still vote for my semi & in the final!
Simon87
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yes, you can
strajker
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I'm sorry for not seeing it earlier i had no idea about that with versions I was for letting tohru PQ and DSQ me but it wouldn't be fair for other countries....
i had no idea about that with versions I was for letting tohru PQ and DSQ me but it wouldn't be fair for other countries....Thanks for being so noble and gracious about it JackBauer
On behalf of the community, our hugest apologies for not noticing this much sooner for your sake
In future, I'll make a point of listening through the semis as soon as they're posted, if I'm to be the future expert for remembering past entries
And thank you to both Simon and strajker for dealing with this smoothly as hosts. Especially strajker, don't worry, no one else in NSC noticed, so it wouldn't be something to give up your PQ for xD
Now let's all enjoy the LL which is on soon
On behalf of the community, our hugest apologies for not noticing this much sooner for your sake
In future, I'll make a point of listening through the semis as soon as they're posted, if I'm to be the future expert for remembering past entries
And thank you to both Simon and strajker for dealing with this smoothly as hosts. Especially strajker, don't worry, no one else in NSC noticed, so it wouldn't be something to give up your PQ for xD
Now let's all enjoy the LL which is on soon
lucian-crusher
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To bad! I really liked Tohru's song! It was my 8 pointer in the REJU (
(Liam
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To bad! I really liked Tohru's song! It was my 8 pointer in the REJU
Yeah, my 10 points
SpZ
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To be honest i was going to write that i thought it had been in nsc before, but i was kinda busy that day. Anyway the song choice is a responsibility of a player so imo if you pick something which has been in nsc, tough luck, but disqualification should follow (even if for example it is discovered after nsc).
Fixed my votes
Btw, I have one idea - what about sending our votes in ESC style and 11th place while voting on NSC (because of Tohru drama, with sending 11th place there wouldn't be problem with changing the votes if some country'll be disqualified because the song was in NSC and it was noticed too late or because of some other reason)???
Btw, I have one idea - what about sending our votes in ESC style and 11th place while voting on NSC (because of Tohru drama, with sending 11th place there wouldn't be problem with changing the votes if some country'll be disqualified because the song was in NSC and it was noticed too late or because of some other reason)???