Norway NORWAY 2023 - Alessandra - Queen of Kings

[ESC United Mod Team]

 

[Kitakaze]

juries should vote on how polished a performance is and hit potential, not only vocals, and Ulrikke's song lacked that. Thats the reason Chanel did well with the ESC juries last year

I never said they shouldn’t reward hit potential, they do and they should. But the fact 6 or 7 of the 10 juries all gave their maximum points to Alessandra when she was far from being one of the strongest singers of the night tells me they were prioritising the commercial aspect over the performative aspects. The fact some even had Ulrikke in their bottom or even at the very bottom would indicate that too.

 

[mauve]

NOT!

("Ikke" means "not" in Danish.)

Hopefully that is a good sign!

 

[Morty]

NOT!

("Ikke" means "not" in Danish.)

And Norwegian.

 

[ArmpitOfEurope]

I never said they shouldn’t reward hit potential, they do and they should. But the fact 6 or 7 of the 10 juries all gave their maximum points to Alessandra when she was far from being one of the strongest singers of the night tells me they were prioritising the commercial aspect over the performative aspects. The fact some even had Ulrikke in their bottom or even at the very bottom would indicate that too.

But is that a bad thing? Eurovision is a commercial tv program that promotes music, personally I m happy to see jurors being more open minded and voting for the strongest package and not the strongest singer alone ( something that has led to many ESC disasters )
And lets be honest, was someone WOWed by Ulrikke tonight? She didnt have A GREAT vocal momemt like she did with Attention, she sang it pleasantly and that was it. Didnt see or hear many reasons for jurors to go crazy

 

[ArmpitOfEurope]

Ok my review, its pleasant and I like Alessandra, the performance has some elements from Dotter's Little tot, could be more original and imaginative.
Sounds like something that could do well with the ESC televote, especially if the play more with the song theme when it comes to the staging of it.
It's a for now

 

[Malagant]

Needless to say, I am overjoyed that Alessandra won! As I said in my preview, she has a very good voice (not flawless tonight but still very good), a catchy melody and with Nordic vibes. I feared the juries might damage her chances but am happy to see she won through. Not every year I am happy with our winner but sure am this year. Well done, my countrymen - and best of luck, Alessandra in ESC in Liverpool!

 

[jatojo]

I was looking for a flawless performance (I actually think the three previous Norwegian winners gave us that).

And I think Atle did brilliantly, and comparing to the studio version, it seems Swing'It and Skrellex made very few errors. I'm also positively surprised by Jone!

But Ulrikke, Elsie Bay, Eline Thorp, Alessandra all made mistakes tonight. I was a bit disappointed by that.

 

[Kitakaze]

But is that a bad thing? Eurovision is a commercial tv program that promotes music, personally I m happy to see jurors being more open minded and voting for the strongest package and not the strongest singer alone ( something that has led to many ESC disasters )
And lets be honest, was someone WOWed by Ulrikke tonight? She didnt have A GREAT vocal momemt like she did with Attention, she sang it pleasantly and that was it. Didnt see or hear many reasons for jurors to go crazy

Yeah, it’s just that we want juries to do their job and reward technicalities based on the performance, otherwise it defeats the purpose of having one and it might as well be any one of us on the panel. That’s all. I personally thought Ulrikke was virtually flawless and had more of a moment on the stage and so deserved more points than she got, even if I prefer to listen to Alessandra’s.

 

[A-lister]

But is that a bad thing? Eurovision is a commercial tv program that promotes music, personally I m happy to see jurors being more open minded and voting for the strongest package and not the strongest singer alone ( something that has led to many ESC disasters )
And lets be honest, was someone WOWed by Ulrikke tonight? She didnt have A GREAT vocal momemt like she did with Attention, she sang it pleasantly and that was it. Didnt see or hear many reasons for jurors to go crazy

This! Eurovision isn't a singing talent show a la "The Voice of Europe" or something, it's a song contest and the songs should be in the front (in combination of course with the overall package which do include performance + vocal delivery). This idea that the vocals are the most important and thus the songs secondary isn't what Eurovision as a concept is about, we have other shows for those purposes. Sure, live delivery is important (there is no denying), but that shouldn't be the make or break (unless the live delivery of a song is bad then it obviously will affect the overall package). Why do we even send original songs in the first place if juries should primarily care about vocals? I mean...

 

[Looren]

This! Eurovision isn't a singing talent show a la "The Voice of Europe" or something, it's a song contest and the songs should be in the front (in combination of course with the overall package which do include performance + vocal delivery). This idea that the vocals are the most important and thus the songs secondary isn't what Eurovision is as a concept. Sure, live delivery is important, but that shouldn't be the make or break (unless the live delivery of a song is bad then it obviously will affect the overall package).

I agree, but I think vocals are also quite important, like no matter the quality of song, if you sing it horribly it just gets bad (Austria last year for example)

But it also works the other way

 

[A-lister]

I agree, but I think vocals are also quite important, like no matter the quality of song, if you sing it horribly it just gets bad (Austria last year for example)

But no one claims that being a horrible singer and having a disastrous performance should be ignored, of course it matters, but it can't be that vocals alone is the make or break for an entry.

But it also works the other way

Exactly, why should a bad song in a song contest be premiered only because of good vocal delivery? Again it's not a singing talent show.

 

[dannytr24]

It's not my evening

 

[Kitakaze]

This! Eurovision isn't a singing talent show a la "The Voice of Europe" or something, it's a song contest and the songs should be in the front (in combination of course with the overall package which do include performance + vocal delivery). This idea that the vocals are the most important and thus the songs secondary isn't what Eurovision as a concept is about, we have other shows for those purposes. Sure, live delivery is important (there is no denying), but that shouldn't be the make or break (unless the live delivery of a song is bad then it obviously will affect the overall package). Why do we even send original songs in the first place if juries should primarily care about vocals? I mean...

Obviously there’s a lot of nuance but given that the juries are there because of the whole peformance element, doesn’t it stand to reason that they’re not doing their job properly if they’re overlooking or undervaluing the performative technicalities in place of the song? If that’s the case then they are truly flawed.

 

[jatojo]

And Norwegian.

I had actually added that - something must have gone wrong.

 

[A-lister]

Obviously there’s a lot of nuance but given that the juries are there because of the whole peformance element, doesn’t it stand to reason that they’re not doing their job properly if they’re overlooking or undervaluing the performative technicalities in place of the song? If that’s the case then they are truly flawed.

The juries aren't there to judge vocals, they are there to choose the best song and look at the overall package delivery (which obviously includes vocals). If a song is weak, but vocals are strong, they obviously shouldn't vote for it because the song isn't "it".

If a song is strong, but performance is a trainwreck, then obviously they shouldn't vote for that either. But was that the case here?

 

[Lonter]

Really not feeling it, at least based on the final performance.

 

[Kitakaze]

The juries aren't there to judge vocals, they are there to choose the best song and look at the overall package delivery (which obviously includes vocals). If a song is weak, but vocals are strong, they obviously shouldn't vote for it because the song isn't "it".

If a song is strong, but performance is a trainwreck, then obviously they shouldn't vote for that either. But was that the case here?

It’s all part of the criteria, and no one is saying otherwise, no one is saying that Alessandra didn’t deserve to win the jury. I’m simply saying they ought to give more weight to the performance technicalities given that that is the entire reason they are there, not to simply select the best song or overall package which any one of us could do from home.

 

[jatojo]

they were prioritising the commercial aspect over the performative aspects.

The juries were pretty happy with Atle, so I don't know about that. Maybe some thought that Ulrikke's and Eline's songs were simply too bland. Juries don't have to give 12 points to uninteresting songs just because they are technically well performed.

 

[MopManMoss]

I think the real question was did Alessandra use autotune?

 

[A-lister]

It’s all part of the criteria, and no one is saying otherwise, no one is saying that Alessandra didn’t deserve to win the jury. I’m simply saying they ought to give more weight to the performance technicalities given that that is the entire reason they are there, not to simply select the best song or overall package which any one of us could do from home.

I disagree that the juries are there to put primarily focus on vocals, they are there to vote for the songs (and packages) and yes we could of course do that from home as well but a "professional jury" might see other aspects in songs than the general viewer won't. But hey, that's just how I view it...