Kosovo on Eurovision

[MyHeartIsYours]

I didn't ask for a paragraph long story about me and my foolishness, I asked for a straight answer to a simple question: When, in the the modern era (the year 1750 onwards), has Kosovo been part of either the Kingdom or Republic of Serbia?

Seeing as I am so clueless on Kosovan history, and this seems to be the debate about the legitimacy of Kosovo as an independent country that can enter Eurovision, I invite you once again to answer my question and educate me

 

[Milos-BC]

^^ You got an answer above. Read once again. I don't know what else should be said to you. Kosovo was Serbian all the time, both in the modern and pre-modern era what is there to misunderstand?

Have you forgotten how to read? Or you are rather having a "selective reading" syndrome. Yeah, it is likely that.

 

[Scooby]

About Kosovo on Encyclopaedia Britannica :

The name Kosovo is derived from a Serbian place-name meaning “field of blackbirds.” After serving as the centre of a medieval Serbian empire, Kosovo was ruled by the Ottoman Empire from the mid-15th to the early 20th century, a period when Islam grew in importance and the population of Albanian speakers in the region increased. By the second half of the century, the largely Muslim ethnic Albanians outnumbered the predominantly Eastern Orthodox Serbs in Kosovo, and interethnic tensions frequently roiled the province.....

Despite early competition with Roman Catholicism, Eastern Orthodoxy became the predominant faith in Kosovo in the Middle Ages, when the region was the centre of a Serbian empire. In the 13th century Peć (Albanian: Pejë) was established as a Serbian Orthodox archbishopric, and in the 14th century it was raised to the status of autonomous patriarchate. This historical importance helps to explain the special role that Kosovo plays in Serbian tradition. Islam arrived with the conquering Ottoman Turks, who, from the mid-15th century, controlled the region for more than four centuries. Although much of the population eventually became Muslim, the region retained its Orthodox heritage, and the patriarchate was restored from 1557 to 1766. The lack of religious tension during much of the Ottoman period may be explained in part by the concessions offered to Muslim converts and in part by the attitude of many peasants, who welcomed diverse forms of religious ritual as means to ward off evil. Thus, converted Muslims often maintained certain Christian practices, leading to religious syncretism.

 

[LakZaNokte]

You are all still here? 2

 

[LakZaNokte]

As I sad before, your level of ..... hahaha
I am right. You are 10!

Well, that's really interesting cause we have different maps for that time in history

(pink area is Croatia)

Hmm, what to do, what to say? I don't know, it's kinda weird seeing serbs claiming half of Europe was theirs at some point in history

You will never change. True story. And a sad one.

 

[Gera11]

Early Middle Ages maps are quite inaccurate, especially concerning the Balkans, because of the endless migratory waves messed pretty much everything and is highly debatable who owned what and when.

Here's our version of 800s map

 

[Milos-BC]

Hmm, what to do, what to say? I don't know, it's kinda weird seeing serbs claiming half of Europe was theirs at some point in history

You will never change. True story. And a sad one.

I am reading this for 5th time straight and I am still clueless about what you said and what were you looking at. What? What are you talking about, where did you see that half of Europe was Serbian on those maps? :? Half of Europe was Serbian and we were under Ottomans for 500 years yeah, LOL. Serbian territory was indeed the "biggest" when Stefan Dusan (Dusan Silni) ruled , but where did you see it was half of Europe on those maps, wtf.............. The second map is zoomed in, if you haven't noticed.


Oh and on the map you posted (also zoomed in) there is no sign of any existence So, we should take that is the correct one?


And the second part is especially shocking. Do you even know what you wanted to say in this post at all? Some people obviously have a tendency to see things in the way they want to see, regardless of the reason.

 

[Scooby]

Well, that's really interesting cause we have different maps for that time in history

(pink area is Croatia)

Hmm, what to do, what to say? I don't know, it's kinda weird seeing serbs claiming half of Europe was theirs at some point in history

You will never change. True story. And a sad one.

My first map is from Polish Academy of Science and second one id from English Wikipedia.
Your map is from Croatian Wikipedia, and did I need to remind you what was happened there only couple of months earlier

 

[Gabe]

Some people obviously have a tendency to see things in the way they want to see, regardless of the reason.

You.

 

[Milos-BC]

You.

Well nice that you told me. I guess this was the best thing that could come out in the end after the facts that myself, Scooby and Stiven have posted.

Kudos to you as well

 

[MyHeartIsYours]

I haven't even bothered replying any more in this thread as it's like having a conversation with a brick wall, but I suppose you shouldn't let a certain group completely close down a topic simply because they don't want to hear it.

All I have to say is: if you have to go back to the Dark Ages to find an argument as to why a country shouldn't be treated as an equal among nations, and be allowed to participate in Eurovision, then you really have no argument at all. 90% of Eurovision countries didn't exist in the 9th Century

 

[Milos-BC]

Thank God you realized how pointless it is to discuss something that is not going to happen, especially when you and those think like you have no arguments whatsoever. The only arguments are "I hope it will happen" and "it should happen because I want it to happen".


Finally we can end this hillarious discussion. So, just for you, the conclusion of this debate:


1. Kosovo will not participate in Eurovision

2. Kosovo is not an EBU member

3. There isn't anything even remotely suggesting this possibility, so till something drastically changes (on all levels), Kosovo is taking part as a part of .



End of the story, finally

 

[MyHeartIsYours]

1) Kosovo will participate in Eurovision

2) Neither is Australia

3) Kosovo just doesn't take part in Eurovision atm, just in the same way Andorra doesn't. Kosovo hasn't been part of Serbia for several years now It's long gone, just like Croatia.

 

[Milos-BC]

^^ As i wrote

3. There isn't anything even remotely suggesting this possibility, so till something drastically changes (on all levels), Kosovo is taking part as a part of

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Looking in beans and in tarot carods.........are not serious so we are not going to keep this going in order to make predictions. If you wish to continue, you might consult some fortune-teller. Maybe he tells you the year when Kosovo will debut as well.

 

[MyHeartIsYours]

I'm not the one predicting the future, you're the one who've said from page 1 through 10 "Kosovo will not participate"...

 

[Milos-BC]

And it will not. Nothing so far suggests otherwise.

Do not reply anymore, it is really time to end this. The situation is crystal clear and there is nothing more to be added. The other side has destroyed your own with arguments. You were wrecked from the top till the bottom.

Gabe is a perfect example. When Stiven and myself clearly stated that the wikipedia paragraph is a load of bullsh*t and that he doesn't know what he is writing then he started attacking me personally. I have no problems with that, when someone loses his arguments, it is natural to switch to personal attacks. And you are as well beaten on everything you said. Now you have switched your statements and now you claim that Kosovo is not ours for several years But that is an advance compared to the previous where it was stated that it was never ours, I have to admit.


There are fairytale forums on the internet as well, that is the right place for you to discuss this further if you must. When and if something changes, then you can return here. Just keep in mind that Kosovo is trying to enter since 2008. And now it is 2016, and there was no progress in those efforts at all. And comparing Australia to this case is just a proof that you lost your compass completely.


I will not reply anymore to you nor to the others who agree with you. Even if you write something now, I will not reply. So if you continue, you can only write between yourselves. This side has said more than enough, you continue living in fantasies. To each their own.

Regards.

 

[Gabe]

Gabe is a perfect example. When Stiven and myself clearly stated that the wikipedia paragraph is a load of bullsh*t and that he doesn't know what he is writing then he started attacking me personally.

Lol please that was not a personal attack.

 

[MyHeartIsYours]

And it will not. Nothing so far suggests otherwise.

Do not reply anymore, it is really time to end this. The situation is crystal clear and there is nothing more to be added. The other side has destroyed your own with arguments. You were wrecked from the top till the bottom.

Gabe is a perfect example. When Stiven and myself clearly stated that the wikipedia paragraph is a load of bullsh*t and that he doesn't know what he is writing then he started attacking me personally. I have no problems with that, when someone loses his arguments, it is natural to switch to personal attacks. And you are as well beaten on everything you said. Now you have switched your statements and now you claim that Kosovo is not ours for several years But that is an advance compared to the previous where it was stated that it was never ours, I have to admit.


There are fairytale forums on the internet as well, that is the right place for you to discuss this further if you must. When and if something changes, then you can return here. Just keep in mind that Kosovo is trying to enter since 2008. And now it is 2016, and there was no progress in those efforts at all. And comparing Australia to this case is just a proof that you lost your compass completely.


I will not reply anymore to you nor to the others who agree with you. Even if you write something now, I will not reply. So if you continue, you can only write between yourselves. This side has said more than enough, you continue living in fantasies. To each their own.

Regards.

My argument is standing strong. I am not the one letting out a load of hot air about 8th Century borders in Europe.

When did Gabe "personally" attack you? :? As far as I can see he made a couple of posts pointing out facts - if this is a personal attack, well...

I said that Kosovo was part of Serbia for about a decade in total. Kosovo has not been part of Serbia since 2008, and even then, it had not been governed by Serbia since 1999.

8 years is a very small timescale in establishing any new country, especially one emerging from the ashes of war and living with a continuing military presence from foreign powers. Eurovision is not going to be an immediate priority for anybody, it will just be something Kosovo will enter into whenever they are ready. My guessing is that with them now judging they are ready and able to participating in the Olympics, it will not be too far in the future that they will be up for Eurovision

 

[SpZ]

Some of the people in this topic are clearly delusional. Kosovo in ESC would be a so-so addition. As a new country, it would of course be awesome, but realistically thinking they would probably be like all of the neighboring Balkan countries and probably produce a lot of bad esc songs.

The discussion of if Kosovo is a state is political in nature and should be not hold here (why is [MENTION=4368]Milos-BC[/MENTION] as a super moderator even engaging in such discussion and rather obviously breaking the forum rules) Even if such discussion would be ok, then I do not get why it is about the history of Kosovo when the recognition of the state has nothing to do with history. It is about recognition/non recognition of Kosovo using the principle of self determination.

 

[blartashura]

Ugh another year passed and no hope for us to have our debut. I don't think it will happen for at least another three years.

It saddens me knowing the fact the music industry here is at the top of the game, especially this decade, I think we would have done very well at Esc.