Kosovo on Eurovision

[Milos-BC]

^^ I think you have missed the forum rules section, so when you have some time, read what is written there, because it seems like you are a bit non-informed about them. Also, you are not going to teach others how they should do their job and what are their obligations.


As soon as the mod team reaches the consensus, this topic will be locked. Your newest posts and reactions are contributing to that outcome even more.This was not the first time that people were opening similar debates, and we know how each and every one of them finished, so, for us it is nothing new. Your writing clearly states what you meant when you opened it.

 

[LakZaNokte]

I have to agree with [MENTION=7006]Hele.[/MENTION] here.

Kosovo is not (yet) a member of EBU, therefore, there is nothing much to be discussed here.
Weather they will become member of EBU tomorrow, in 2 yrs, in 10 yrs or never has to do with everything but EBU.

It's one thing to have an opinion about Kosovo itself, but in context of ESC, there is nothing to be said.
Every discussion about participation in ESC is basically discussion about Kosovo independence generally.

So, I suggest our OP to open a thread in "Politics" (first check if a thread already exists), that is the place to have this discussion

 

[MyHeartIsYours]

Why is it that we can discuss the possibility of every country joining Eurovision except Kosovo? Why is discussing the entry of other states acceptable, but Kosovo somehow so political in nature?

I have only seen one political post on here and that starts with "Kosovo is not a country". Kosovo is a country in the eyes of the vast majority of the Europe, Eurovision nations, and the world, if that isn't a country, what is?

Nations that aren't even sovereign states, like Scotland, can in no way participate in Eurovision given the rules, but they have had their own threads here and been discussed freely, so why shouldn't the same apply to other nations and sovereign states? I never considered the Scottish discussion to be an "anti-British conspiracy" even though I completely disagreed with the idea, for if I found offense or conspiracy in alternate views, what would be the point in me being a member of a discussion forum?

 

[LakZaNokte]

Why is it that we can discuss the possibility of every country joining Eurovision except Kosovo? Why is discussing the entry of other states acceptable, but Kosovo somehow so political in nature?

I have only seen one political post on here and that starts with "Kosovo is not a country". Kosovo is a country in the eyes of the vast majority of the Europe, Eurovision nations, and the world, if that isn't a country, what is?

Nations that aren't even sovereign states, like Scotland, can in no way participate in Eurovision given the rules, but they have had their own threads here and been discussed freely, so why shouldn't the same apply to other nations and sovereign states? I never considered the Scottish discussion to be an "anti-British conspiracy" even though I completely disagreed with the idea, for if I found offense or conspiracy in alternate views, what would be the point in me being a member of a discussion forum?

This is not like with Scotland, trust me
U are way too easygoing over there, I noticed it during discussion about Scotland referendum

 

[MyHeartIsYours]

U are way too easygoing over there, I noticed it during discussion about Scotland referendum

That was the referendum thread in the politics section, not Scotland joining Eurovision

 

[MyHeartIsYours]

If we are to talk about the Scottish Eurovision membership, my only two posts on the subject where:

If they become independent? Yes. Otherwise no.

[In response to an idea that the UK entry rotates between an English choice, Scottish, Northern Irish, Welsh] Absolutely daft idea that, we're one nation, our entry shall be of and for the entire nation.

No fuss, no drama, no conspiracies, just simple. If only everyone was like me

 

[Stiven]

Okay as someone who lives close to Kosovo to the point that I receive their Tv and Radio signals, Here is my opinion.
First as mentioned by everyone Kosovo is not an UN member and therefore can't enter the EBU and also technically Palestine has more recognition than Kosovo but you don't see them in Eurovision (despite trying to enter) so mentioning Kosovo is recognized by other countries is pointless, apart from that opposition is still strong even by countries which have recognized Kosovo.
Also RTK has serious problems so even if Kosovo enters the UN (impossible at the moment) RTK still has problems that it needs to be sorted out before they can even think about joining the EBU.
And finally as someone who lives close to Kosovo I have to say that Kosovo is a failed state most of the time both economically and politically which may cause concerns among many members of the UN and EBU.

 

[ParadiseES]

All the political stuff has been deleted.

You are free to share your opinions about the possibility of Kosovo joining ESC. But Eurovision is the limit. If you want to discuss politics, please visit the politics subforum.

I know this is a very sensitive issue for many people and I want to give you the chance to discuss about Kosovo in Eurovision, but if this is going to become a political fight, with disrespectful posts between members and nations, this topic will be locked (again). This is the last warning.

 

[MyHeartIsYours]

The only "problem" is that you can't have one without the other. A discussion about a fictional country in a real contest is as political as it can be.

I see where you are coming from, but it is possible to discuss just the Eurovision possibility of Kosovo without discussing whether Kosovo should be recognised as independent, whether Serbia or Kosovo is the baddie, and all that rubbish.

Sure the possibility of Kosovo in Eurovision is something that people feel strongly about, but I think that's a good thing. It's much better that different viewpoints are discussed rather than just closed down.

We have discussed the possibility of Scotland, the Faroe Islands and Palestine joining on this forum. All of those threads are still open and were discussed without controversy, so it seems to me that it is possible to discuss these kind of breakaway participation's without bringing politics into it.

Well, so far there were absoultely no indications of such possibility, so there is no reason to think that it will happen. Some of you are repeating this every year, but as you can see, it is not happening.

To me it seems that the reason it has not happened is because of internal Kosovan problems, rather than the fact that it is being blocked by the EBU etc.

Also, EBU is not stupid. They know what kind of chaos they would create with Kosovo there, and I believe they don't want to lose countries such as and well . We would have withdrawn for sure and everyone would support that decission in that case, myself included and I gurantee you that. We have contributed a lot to the contest, and in the era where even Australia is invited to join in order to extend the Eurovision family having a region that is already competing with its main country as a seperate entrant is utophia and a huge shot in the own foot.

I just don't see any evidence of why Serbia would withdraw with Kosovan participation when you participate at the Olympics together - you cannot tell me that Eurovision is viewed as being more important in Serbia than the Olympics?

Unlike someone else in this thread I have no problem with Serbia, my desire is to see Serbia and Kosovo participate at the same time, not one or the other.

If people make it one or the other then that's sad and very regrettable imo.

 

[Jukica]

All the political stuff has been deleted.

You are free to share your opinions about the possibility of Kosovo joining ESC. But Eurovision is the limit. If you want to discuss politics, please visit the politics subforum.

I know this is a very sensitive issue for many people and I want to give you the chance to discuss about Kosovo in Eurovision, but if this is going to become a political fight, with disrespectful posts between members and nations, this topic will be locked (again). This is the last warning.

I'd like to add 1-2 things: as usual, we will react on every political discussion outside of Politics subforum. So, avoid topics about Kosovo's indenpendence or any other political topic and try to stick to the official board rules or this thread will be permanently locked!
And if you will notice some critical post, report it or PM us and we will look into it, but please report only the posts that are / could be breaking the board rules.

 

[cegs5]

Kosovo is not a country, deal with it. And comparing Croatia to Kosovo is like comparing Norway to South Ossetia. Indeed, some anti-Serbian lobbies have been successful and we were seeing them in some international events, but that still doesn't change the fact.


Eurovision is the subject here, and the fact is that you will not see Kosovo there, just like you will not see it in organizations like UNESCO, so this topic is totally pointless and if other mods agree, I will lock it because it has no productive nature, it is made to spread anti-Serbian propaganda, and that is something that will simply not be allowed.


As for you agent, I can say it was a good effort to stir up the pots, but you will have to find something else I'm afraid.

I thought all political content was removed from this thread... why is this still visible? Not that I am going to say how to do your job dear mods, but we know how to read.

As for Kosovo in ESC...I hope we can see it one day, I think it would have more sense to see Kosovo in the contest rather than Australia. If some powerful countries wants to leave, they have the doors open, just like Turkey...but yet again, money talks.

 

[Milos-BC]

If some powerful countries wants to leave, they have the doors open, just like Turkey...but yet again, money talks.

Luckilly, EBU disagrees

 

[cegs5]

Luckilly, EBU disagrees

Unfortunately I would say, because money talks...and that's for Russia, not for Serbia...ESC as a business can survive without Serbia I'm afraid, but Russia is more money money money and I don't think EBU wants to lose it.

 

[Milos-BC]

Either way, the point is still the same. And also, not only those 2 countries would be affected, but those were the most obvious examples.


Also, don't forget about the contribution that these countries made to ESC with their songs as well. won on its debut as an independant country, and it is still the only song that won in a native language since the current rules about a language in which the entries can be peformed were implemented. And don't forget that at least 4 songs that we sent in the recent history have become ESC evergreens.

So yeah, we cannot contribute with money, but we definetly can with our songs, and we did. As I told you, EBU appreciates all the effort was making in our ESC journey, and they will not want us to leave because of some so-called country that is not even recognized.


I think you will more likely see China and USA on ESC then you will see Kosovo

 

[agent]

Either way, the point is still the same. And also, not only those 2 countries would be affected, but those were the most obvious examples.


Also, don't forget about the contribution that these countries made to ESC with their songs as well. won on its debut as an independant country, and it is still the only song that won in a native language since the current rules about a language in which the entries can be peformed were implemented. And don't forget that at least 4 songs that we sent in the recent history have become ESC evergreens.

So yeah, we cannot contribute with money, but we definetly can with our songs, and we did. As I told you, EBU appreciates all the effort was making in our ESC journey, and they will not want us to leave because of some so-called country that is not even recognized.


I think you will more likely see China and USA on ESC then you will see Kosovo

2009 Serbia said that the most 10 countries will recognized Kosovo, now is 110 country recognized Kosovo

Kosovo voted 1986 on Eurovision

 

[cegs5]

[MENTION=4368]Milos-BC[/MENTION] I don't think EBU really gives a damn of culture contributions from Serbia or any other country, all what they care is about money, because ESC is a business, it's not a non-profit cultural event. So, I believe the Kosovo situation has more to do with the Spanish financial contribution or the Russian market rather than the Serbian songs, sadly.

Anyhow, all what I see is that you are doing your best to make this thread locked, using your little power a Super Moderator perhaps? because if you really wanted to avoid political discussions or follow what [MENTION=4374]Jukica[/MENTION] suggested us, you would have edited what I quoted...but instead you keep writing political statements.

 

[Milos-BC]

[MENTION=15097]agent[/MENTION] You will have to print-screen that part during the voting proccess, because I am not sure I have seen it during the 1986 voting. Maybe your TV/PC was showing something else.

[MENTION=10140]cegs5[/MENTION] I would like you to quote every political statement in the last 2 posts. I am curious to see each and every one of them. Don't forget to quote the part about the ESC contribution as well, that is a crucial part.

 

[cegs5]

[MENTION=4368]Milos-BC[/MENTION] Sorry, I am not going to play that game. If you don't see any political statement in what I already quoted in the post #31 then it's just useless to keep quoting. You are either not aware of it or just keep playing your role bombing this thread like your little personal war. Fair enough, good luck with that and have fun in any case

 

[Milos-BC]

.but instead you keep writing political statements.

And now when I ask you to actually quote those new pollitical statements, you are saying you are not going to play that game. Probably because you have re-read them better and realized there was nothing to quote.

All the best to you as well

 

[cegs5]

And now when I ask you to actually quote those new pollitical statements, you are saying you are not going to play that game. Probably because you have re-read them better and realized there was nothing to quote.

All the best to you as well

There are political statements. If i don't keep playing your game quoting is because of your cynicism. Enough said.