Kazakhstan KAZAKHSTAN 2019 - not taking part

[Sammy]

Re: KAZAKHSTAN 2019

Surely you don't need to, and my comment was more generally directed to people who complain more about others than add something to the discussion themselves, it wasn't directly to you personally though and sorry if it came across that way (I can see why it did).

I just find it peculiar that some in this forum brings little to none to certain discussions, yet they are often there to ridicule others that actually do talk about the certain topic. I just don't see the point that's all? That's what I meant with why reading if it annoys someone, it's not like someone is forced to spend their time in here, but some people (me included) actually like to discuss in some threads, yes it happens that the same discussion re-occurs, but then so what? Is it harming anyone? Did I personally insult someone by responding with geographical facts? Like I wrote, there's just so much you can write in this thread, if you take a look at the history, many of my posts in here are actually responds to people who raise the same concerns, hence the responses or arguments are the same.

If Kazakhstan actually would take part or if we at least get some closure on the topic, I guess there would be something else to talk about other than argumenting back and forth why they shouldn't or shouldn't take part.

I'm not offended, just surprised how usually the same group of people are so quick to make remarks about my posts (and others), and basically see that that's all they bring to the threads. I really don't see the value in it to be honest, you are of course free to comment and read as you please, but this recurring theme is imo a bigger issue than someone arguing about the topic back and forth. I barely spend as much time on this forum as I did in the past, yet some people are always quick to make remarks even when I might have not added something new to certain threads for months.

Oh well, nuff about that, just tried to explain my side.

So we had perhaps a little misunderstanding. I don't want to make this a long story either, just to point it out very clearly. My intention was not at all to ridicule you or the discussion, there was no sarcasm whatsoever included from my side. I truly and honestly find it impressive, that you have the endurance to discuss this topic over such a long period and not getting tired of repeating yourself. (Cuz I would give it up, for sure, as I did with other subjects).

And now I don't interfere any longer with it.

 

[A-lister]

Re: KAZAKHSTAN 2019

So we had perhaps a little misunderstanding. I don't want to make this a long story either, just to point it out very clearly. My intention was not at all to ridicule you or the discussion, there was no sarcasm whatsoever included from my side. I truly and honestly find it impressive, that you have the endurance to discuss this topic over such a long period and not getting tired of repeating yourself. (Cuz I would give it up, for sure, as I did with other subjects).

And now I don't interfere any longer with it.

It's fine, all good from my side

I guess you're not one of "those" people after all, can't say the same about some others in here though who clearly have some personal issues with me for whatever reason I'm not sure about... but that's for another time and space...

So where were we?... yeah... Kazakhstan IS partly within continental Europe !!! '

If EBU could just allow them finally I wouldn't have to repeat it all over again

 

[Yoozek]

Re: KAZAKHSTAN 2019

Is that so? Well, you know that people can actually read the originally respond I gave so not sure what good adjusting it here to fit some point makes?

So any opinion on the ACTUAL topic? No I didn't think so... well next.

Well "you can read the original respond" I gave. So what exactly did you add to this thread besides repeating same stuff over and over? Nothing? I though so...well next.

For me it's just annoying to have to bush through that s***storm, where every 2nd post is yours, to read something different than arguing about the same stuff /claiming to be attacked by everyone over and over. And I couldn't find any other place in the internet to talk about this.

Kazakhstan guys are surely on their way to win my vote cause I don't care if Russia will give them 2 or 24 points. End of story.

 

[A-lister]

Re: KAZAKHSTAN 2019

Well "you can read the original respond" I gave. So what exactly did you add to this thread besides repeating same stuff over and over? Nothing? I though so...well next.

For me it's just annoying to have to bush through that s***storm, where every 2nd post is yours, to read something different than arguing about the same stuff /claiming to be attacked by everyone over and over. And I couldn't find any other place in the internet to talk about this.

Kazakhstan guys are surely on their way to win my vote cause I don't care if Russia will give them 2 or 24 points. End of story.

And again what is your addition to the discussion? Nothing... blank... as per usual... not sure what your issue with me is since you have to point it out in every thread? Did I personally attack you or something because it clearly looks like it? For someone being so "annoyed" about people repeating themselves, you should take a look at your own posts which are just repeating that you find me annoying every single time you get the chance... not sure what it has to do with any of the topics being discussed though

I'm surprised that a bit of geography could make someone so butthurt even... "bush through that s***storm" ... dude relax, the thread is hardly 100 pages long and talking about the eligibility of a country is hardly a "s***storm" and if it annoys you so much then wow...

So what is your addition to this forum, since you are unable to discuss the actual topics?... I'm just curious really.... funny how even if I didn't write in threads for months... you're directly there spamming your usual "I am annoyed by you" comments... like you had me on radar alert or something... I mean plzz... stop be so obsessed and start contributing to the forum instead... or if you're so annoyed, just put me ignore then.... you'd do us both a favor... I'm just thinking about your well-being that's all...

 

[GRE]

Re: KAZAKHSTAN 2019

Jan Ola Sand said that the participation of Kaz in ESC is an issue that should be discussed in the future.

 

[Realest]

Re: KAZAKHSTAN 2019

The EBU had enough Time to discuss Kazakhstans Participation.
doesnt fulfill the EBU-Criteria so I dont see a reason to let them in.

 

[A-lister]

Re: KAZAKHSTAN 2019

The EBU had enough Time to discuss Kazakhstans Participation.
doesnt fulfill the EBU-Criteria so I dont see a reason to let them in.

The same can be said about other countries... says hello

But yeah, seems like people's biasism towards Eastern Europe will continue unfortunately

 

[Realest]

Re: KAZAKHSTAN 2019

The same can be said about other countries... says hello

But yeah, seems like people's biasism towards Eastern Europe will continue unfortunately

s illegal Participation doesnt make a potential Participation of less illegal

 

[A-lister]

Re: KAZAKHSTAN 2019

s illegal Participation doesnt make a potential Participation of less illegal

Illegal? I didn't know we talked about laws here

Well, at least it's nice to see that you're being "consistent" here...

But then again, according to the current rules, technically Syria could take part... so I am not so sure if that's better than a European country but oh well...

 

[tuorem]

Re: KAZAKHSTAN 2019

Jan Ola Sand said that the participation of Kaz in ESC is an issue that should be discussed in the future.

When did he say that?

I can't believe the JESC committee could make a major decision like inviting new participants without the green light of the EBU's highest authorities. JESC may be a minor event compared to Eurovision, yet I doubt the organizers are given so much leeway.

Now that Kazakhstan has officially debuted in a show that is part of the Eurovision brand, they can't ignore them any longer.

 

[GRE]

Re: KAZAKHSTAN 2019

When did he say that?

https://www.escxtra.com/2018/11/22/jon-ola-sand-kazakhstan/

 

[Citelis]

Re: KAZAKHSTAN 2019

I guess that ''in the future'' means there is no chance to see them this year even if EBU becomes more positive to this! EBU officialy said that there no plans!

 

[BarefootBoogaloo]

It's not a shock Jon Ola Sand would tread carefully on this matter.

When Australia participated in '15 (which was supposed to be a "one-off" for the 60th anniversary) and he was asked about Australia coming back, his statements were equally as vague. It wasn't until November of that year that it was announced they would return after the Reference group voted in favor.

Fast forward to 2018 and, while they'll be participating in 2019, they're still not a permanent member.

I honestly think that if Kazakhstan wins or manages to place Top 3 at Junior Eurovision, they could debut in 2020 under similar circumstances to Australia. He said "it's something to be discussed in the future"; for all we know, the future is after JESC, especially since Reference group is allegedly going to vote about Kosovo in December.

 

[tuorem]

To me, it was clear Australia was never going to be a "one-off" thing, that was a publicity stunt meant to get Eurovision viewers to accept their debut regardless of how unjustifiable their presence was given EBU's rules. And whatever Sand stated at that time was part of that, to make it more credible and spontaneous while it wasn't.

They're not a permanent member, but it's near enough. Did someone really imagine the EBU would remove them from the contest after inviting them? Come on!

Kazakhstan isn't in the same situation: would it be possible to prevent a nation from entering Eurovision while it's taking part in its junior version? Why not after all, let's set another questionable precedent.

 

[Sabiondo]

So, Jon Ola said few minutes ago NO to debut next year, but maybe for 2020 , in addition Belarusian broadcaster BTRC pledged support to them for their application to take part in the adult contest.

https://www.escxtra.com/2018/11/23/...ZBGRoPNfHBSomy7QWgW94lGGWY1TrPgQu6tcEpmwsCWiA

 

[EscGeek]

2020 seems like a great year for debuting... it's very easy to remember & it marks the beginning of the new decade.. xwhistle

 

[A-lister]

To me, it was clear Australia was never going to be a "one-off" thing, that was a publicity stunt meant to get Eurovision viewers to accept their debut regardless of how unjustifiable their presence was given EBU's rules. And whatever Sand stated at that time was part of that, to make it more credible and spontaneous while it wasn't.

They're not a permanent member, but it's near enough. Did someone really imagine the EBU would remove them from the contest after inviting them? Come on!

Kazakhstan isn't in the same situation: would it be possible to prevent a nation from entering Eurovision while it's taking part in its junior version? Why not after all, let's set another questionable precedent.

This! Do people still believe in that blatant stunt that Australia would be a one-time off really?

 

[Lindon]

Theoretically, the EBU should have room for 14 more countries than participate in 2019.
Imagine all the full EBU members want to attend suddenly. A full member can hardly be rejected. "Good evening Europe, North Africa, Asia and good morning Australia!"

 

[joancamo]

They just have to let them debut!! Why then let them debut in Junior and not Adult Eurovision?

 

[A-lister]

Imagine all the full EBU members want to attend suddenly. A full member can hardly be rejected. "Good evening Europe, North Africa, Asia and good morning Australia!"

Literary the death of Eurovision....