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KAZAKHSTAN 2014 - not taking part

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I suppose the biggest problem for them would really be the time difference. They could broadcast it live so there's a televote and then broadcast it again the following day at 8PM or some other decent hour so everybody can see the show. The problem would be indeed if they'd host it. Most of the Kazhaks in the arena would be half asleep midway through the show :lol:

Well, that's their problem not ours... and as I wrote, as long as they're not hosting, nothing will differ for most viewers around Europe as the contest would start at its regular time anyhow... even IF it would ever be hosted in Kazakhstan it would probably start in the regular CET aswell, so yeah it might be looking a bit sleepy but they'll probably hire some extras to act as public for the night :lol:

As for just broadcasting and having a spokes-person, I don't see any problem for them really... perhaps viewing numbers might not be that great in the peak time, but they'll probably collect more viewers than San Marino would anyways :lol:
 

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I didn't know only Western European culture could be accepted as "culturally or socially European"? Who decides this? Kazakhstan is probably more "culturally & socially" European than Turkey & Azerbaijan are... because it's heavily influenced by Russian society in particular (I'd say more so than Turkic culture)... but perhaps Russia is not "enough western European"? But Europe is a diverse continent, it's not limited to just some parts.

Kazakhstan is a Turkic country and their culture same as "us" (Turkish, Azerbaijan, Uzbekistan ...etc)
 

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Kazakhstan is a Turkic country and their culture same as "us" (Turkish, Azerbaijan, Uzbekistan ...etc)

While it's correct that the Kazakh nation is a Turkic one, the country is way more connected culturally, socially and politically to Russia.

The rural and southern areas are perhaps more influenced by the Turkic roots, but not the cities where most people live. The most common language is still Russian and ethnic Russians make up around 20-25% or so of the country's entire population, which is a much bigger and obviously more influential Russian minority than in the other Turkic ex- USSR countries.

So yeah, sorry to disappoint, but chances of Turkey or Azerbaijan getting the 12pts or even 10pts from Kazakhstan are probably a bit lower than Russia or Ukraine getting those.
 

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While it's correct that the Kazakh nation is a Turkic one, the country is way more connected culturally, socially and politically to Russia.

The rural and southern areas are perhaps more influenced by the Turkic roots, but not the cities where most people live. The most common language is still Russian and ethnic Russians make up around 20-25% or so of the country's entire population, which is a much bigger and obviously more influencing Russian minority than in the other Turkic ex- USSR countries.

True, well 70 years is not small number. But i dont think it affect to they are culture. Also they are trying to get over it. for example the capital moved to the new city which is less population of Russians.
 

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True, well 70 years is not small number. But i dont think it affect to they are culture. Also they are trying to get over it. for example the capital moved to the new city which is less population of Russians.

70 years? Kazakhstan has been under Russian rule for about 200 years or so... so yeah the effect is obvious.

The majority still lives in Almaty though and not Astana, and while ethnic Russians are a minority, it's not as if the majority of Kazakhs (atleast not in cities) are living some sort of traditional Turkic life-style, the country is very much Russified and although the government have their projects, it's not something that will be erased easily.

Note though that the projects have more to do with preserving and reviving Kazakh culture, and not so much to do with this pan-Turkic idea promoted by Turkey. I doubt Kazakhstan want to fall under yet another imperialist movement when they have been ruled by imperialists for this long, they want to be masters of their own house, not controlled by either Moscow, Ankara or Beijing... but they are still closest to Moscow nevertheless and if nothing drastic happens, that will remain for quite some time.
 

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^^ true. But remember no one can deal with Russian. Once you will against them more you will pay for it. Just like us or Georgia, Moldavia. Therefore Kazakhstan became more part of it. I even remember , when ussr collapse, Kazakhstan was only one country against it.
 

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^^ true. But remember no one can deal with Russian. Once you will against them more you will pay for it. Just like us or Georgia, Moldavia. Therefore Kazakhstan became more part of it. I even remember , when ussr collapse, Kazakhstan was only one country against it.

Kazakhstan is way more powerful than Georgia and Moldova, it can't be compared.

Anyways, we're far too political in here :lol:

Anyways, I'm a supporter of Kazakhstan entering and I don't really find any arguments against it truly valid, they're mostly based on biasism.
 

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A-lister has done a good job explaining almost everything i had wanted to say too (including the comparison to San Marino xD).
I can only add that even if the point of Kazakhstan not being of European culture was true, that wouldn't really make a difference in a pop-culture event. Maybe if broadcasters started to send entries rooted in European culture, that would be a valid argument.
 

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I hope our Turkic sister will decide to participate; mostly because it would be great to see them confound somebody. xcheers

Is instrumental music allowed in Eurovision?

 

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great, another block voting is setting up in ESC xgaah

The contest is already a mess because of that, sorry, I don't see any change in the near future. So we better enjoy this.
 

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great, another block voting is setting up in ESC xgaah

Another? This would just be a slight expansion to the ex-USSR one.

Anyways, I'm not biased, the country is partly within the European geographical continent and only hypocrisy would be blocking them from entering.
 

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Another? This would just be a slight expansion to the ex-USSR one.

Anyways, I'm not biased, the country is partly within the European geographical continent and only hypocrisy would be blocking them from entering.

What? Some source maybe? Because from what I know, Kazakhstan is fully in Asia, just like Azerbaijan, Armenia, and Georgia.
 

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What? Some source maybe? Because from what I know, Kazakhstan is fully in Asia, just like Azerbaijan, Armenia, and Georgia.

Sorry but your knowledge is correct only in Armenian case (of course if we talk about geographical propositions)
 

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Well Cyprus is in Asia too as is Israel but as everyone here (hopefully) knows, geography is not the primary criterium for EBU and thus ESC membership.
 

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Sorry but your knowledge is correct only in Armenian case (of course if we talk about geographical propositions)

Okay, but what's the point of considering countries which have under 10% of their territory in Europe European? It's like classifying UK as a North American country just because it has some overseas territories there.
 

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What? Some source maybe? Because from what I know, Kazakhstan is fully in Asia, just like Azerbaijan, Armenia, and Georgia.

Ehm, both Georgia and Azerbaijan have parts within the European continent... Armenia perhaps not geographically, but it id a direct neighbor and is culturally/socially/politically closer to Europe/Russia/EX-USSR...

Kazakhstan has a larger part within the European continent than Turkey has and I'd argue is politically, culturally and socially closer to Russia (which is a European nation) than Turkey has with continental Europe... it would be hypocrisy not allowing them.
 

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There is no everything in geography. On socio-cultural aspects all that countries are part of European tradition and civilization
 

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Ehm, around half of Georgian territory is within the European continent, Azerbaijan also has parts within the European continent... Armenia can be disputed.

Actually geographicaly it is less that 7% ;)
 

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Actually geographicaly it is less that 7% ;)

I changed my post, I realized I was a "bit" wrong there :lol:

Nevertheless it has a geographical part in Euroe.
 
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