KAZAKHSTAN 2014 - not taking part

[PashonFrut]

Re: KAZAKHSTAN 2014

The best approach is to pick countries based on their song level. People in every country have the right to choose alone what type of country do they want and this is not something important in Eurovision. If Azerbaijan for example wants to be governed by Aliev and his family we should totally respect that and we even should not care about that. If people in Belarus, Azerbaijan and so on do not want their dictators, they will kick them out no matter what like the situation in Eastern Europe 25 years ago. Some calls to ban countries from Eurovision based on their internal politics are so pathetic, beyond all possible borders. Even if country has a problems with human rights, we should encourage this country to take part in the contest so that we could send a message to the people living there and they could feel being part of bigger community. Why we should isolate them? And talking about democracy and human rights it's really funny how all these calls for ban, exclusion, throwing away are coming from Western Europe, pretendeng to be role model for democracy and human rights. Am I wrong or building walls instead of bridges is not the right way to solve this?

Couldn't have said it better myself! I wish people would have your mindset.
The problem is that these people who so called care for democracy don't actually care for it, it's just a power play. It is a matter of pointing fingers at those who do not have the priviledge of living in a democratic country.

 

[Scooby]

Re: KAZAKHSTAN 2014

The best approach is to pick countries based on their song level. People in every country have the right to choose alone what type of country do they want and this is not something important in Eurovision. If Azerbaijan for example wants to be governed by Aliev and his family we should totally respect that and we even should not care about that. If people in Belarus, Azerbaijan and so on do not want their dictators, they will kick them out no matter what like the situation in Eastern Europe 25 years ago. Some calls to ban countries from Eurovision based on their internal politics are so pathetic, beyond all possible borders. Even if country has a problems with human rights, we should encourage this country to take part in the contest so that we could send a message to the people living there and they could feel being part of bigger community. Why we should isolate them? And talking about democracy and human rights it's really funny how all these calls for ban, exclusion, throwing away are coming from Western Europe, pretendeng to be role model for democracy and human rights. Am I wrong or building walls instead of bridges is not the right way to solve this?

 

[A-lister]

Re: KAZAKHSTAN 2014

That is no reason at all to call Sweden a pseudo democracy. That's what I was pointing at. But you're right. This is off-topic. Let's drop that issue.

There are many reasons, but since you don't live here I guess you don't know.

But yes, let's drop the issues.

Point still being is that it'll be a bit difficult if someone (EBU?) is to pick who is "democratic enough" for Eurovision and who isn't... I mean I think for instance if someone break the ESC rules they should be kicked out, but even in those cases it hasn't happened so that's where we should start

Also I do think it does give a bad taste in mouth that countries invading other ESC countries are allowed to enter, but that's also a tricky line.

 

[Sammy]

Re: KAZAKHSTAN 2014

there are more ways to get information about a country than living in it - that does not make the information less reliable.

 

[i anixi]

Re: KAZAKHSTAN 2014

I'm quite aware of there being total freedom and that everyone have their ways and opinions and all that, but it's also under that logic that I dare state my amazement that there are people discussing Kazakshtan right there on rehearsals' freckin EVE!

I mean, how weird is that?

 

[Sean]

Re: KAZAKHSTAN 2014

I'm quite aware of there being total freedom and that everyone have their ways and opinions and all that, but it's also under that logic that I dare state my amazement that there are people discussing Kazakshtan right there on rehearsals' freckin EVE!

I mean, how weird is that?

Anything to kill the time

But yes, this topic is pretty much done in this forum. There's a Kazakhstan 2015 thread which people can use to discuss which has more chance of becoming true!

 

[LalehForWD]

Re: KAZAKHSTAN 2014

there are more ways to get information about a country than living in it - that does not make the information less reliable.

Yes, for example
Global Democracy Ranking (scientific, based in Vienna)
Democracy Index (British newspaper The Economist Intelligence Unit)
Press Freedom Index (Reporters without borders)
etc etc There's no need to take A-lister's word for it even if he repeats it 1000 times in every thread. It really comes down to a dissatisfaction of the treatment of some far right populist movements in the Swedish press ie Sverigedemokraterna and Swedish defense league

 

[LalehForWD]

Re: KAZAKHSTAN 2014

The best approach is to pick countries based on their song level. People in every country have the right to choose alone what type of country do they want and this is not something important in Eurovision. If Azerbaijan for example wants to be governed by Aliev and his family we should totally respect that and we even should not care about that. If people in Belarus, Azerbaijan and so on do not want their dictators, they will kick them out no matter what like the situation in Eastern Europe 25 years ago. Some calls to ban countries from Eurovision based on their internal politics are so pathetic, beyond all possible borders. Even if country has a problems with human rights, we should encourage this country to take part in the contest so that we could send a message to the people living there and they could feel being part of bigger community. Why we should isolate them? And talking about democracy and human rights it's really funny how all these calls for ban, exclusion, throwing away are coming from Western Europe, pretendeng to be role model for democracy and human rights. Am I wrong or building walls instead of bridges is not the right way to solve this?

Agree, banning countries probably punish the wrong people in that country as well. Eurovision does more good supporting the music industry, artists and media in countries with weak human rights justice. One could perhaps ask for some special methodology and actions dealing with these countries though.

 

[BGN]

Re: KAZAKHSTAN 2014

Many people seems to forget what EBU actually is. It is not political organisation, but professional one. They don't have to judge who is democratic, and who no - these are political statements and EBU is not in that. EBU have their rules and if country breaches them, there must be a punishment. But judging the political situation in a country and referenig to political indexes and rankings to determine whether a country has the right in Eurovision Song Contest or no, is simply not the right thing which could be done. The best solution is just to keep the things as they are now.

 

[LalehForWD]

Re: KAZAKHSTAN 2014

Many people seems to forget what EBU actually is. It is not political organisation, but professional one. They don't have to judge who is democratic, and who no - these are political statements and EBU is not in that. EBU have their rules and if country breaches them, there must be a punishment. But judging the political situation in a country and referenig to political indexes and rankings to determine whether a country has the right in Eurovision Song Contest or no, is simply not the right thing which could be done. The best solution is just to keep the things as they are now.

Agree, it's really a private association for cooperation between TV broadcasters in Europe. It's not necessarily democratic, open or fair. I guess it has similarities with the International Olympic Committee.

 

[dragvision]

Re: KAZAKHSTAN 2014

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[southernstars]

Re: KAZAKHSTAN 2014

I'm for Kazakhstan, only because I ADORE Turkic language music. But then I'd want Uzbekistan to join. Then Kyrgyzstan, and Turkmenistan.