Italy ITALY 2024 - Angelina Mango - La noia

[ESC United Mod Team]

 

[Ajeje Brazorf]

Can be. But "Bellissima", message aside, without Annalisa's fandom to support her it would have ended up in twenty-second position (the same happened to Emma). A lively sound, yes, but also harmless. For me, the move towards mainstream Pop was Annalisa's defeat as a singer. From long dresses and deep songs to pure commercial with provocative dresses. She is without identity. I just can't see her as a winner. It's fine for a singer to move from one genre to another but not to distort his essence. It's like making Käärijää sing "Fai Rumore" by Diodato. This year Italy must not send, unless it is a masterpiece capable of having the same effect as the words "Lazarus, arise and walk", a ballad or another profound song. Italy would be bitterly attacked by the public. We need a new sound. A Pop Rock, a Pop Punk, a Rap. If we don't count Måneskin and count Diodato, Italy has abused ballads in recent years.

Italy will send what Italy wants, not what Paco Roca likes the most... And by the way Italy's choices are always controversial ones for the fandom: Diodato was criticized the same way Måneskin was criticized, with lots of people putting both songs last in their tops. So? A song can't be liked by everybody. We Italians just award what we like the most, then we will see...

 

[Paco Roca]

Italy will send what Italy wants, not what Paco Roca likes the most... And by the way Italy's choices are always controversial ones for the fandom: Diodato was criticized the same way Måneskin was criticized, with lots of people putting both songs last in their tops. So? A song can't be liked by everybody. We Italians just award what we like the most, then we will see...

Italy will send what is most fair and qualitative. For me it's not a problem that Italy only brings ballads. What matters is that it is quality music. But in the long run the ESC public when you always present the same pizza, will start to get tired and some votes will be lost. Mine is a balanced and objective comment. I don't expect Italy to send songs that I like. Then, if you really want to know my tastes and predictions, I'd like to see Irama win or maybe watch a crazy song by Dargen D'Amico or be surprised by La Sad.

 

[nudiecrudi]

Italy will send what is most fair and qualitative. For me it's not a problem that Italy only brings ballads. What matters is that it is quality music. But in the long run the ESC public when you always present the same pizza, will start to get tired and some votes will be lost. Mine is a balanced and objective comment. I don't expect Italy to send songs that I like. Then, if you really want to know my tastes and predictions, I'd like to see Irama win or maybe watch a crazy song by Dargen D'Amico or be surprised by La Sad.

Esc public is getting the same pop pizza from Sweden and isnt getting tired at all. Why should get tired from the same romantic and melodic italian pizza?
The question my dear is that you have never considered what is the most important factor THE QUALITY.
To my point of view isn't important what kind of song you send. Important is to send qualitative songs.

 

[Paco Roca]

Esc public is getting the same pop pizza from Sweden and isnt getting tired at all. Why should get tired from the same romantic and melodic italian pizza?
The question my dear is that you have never considered what is the most important factor THE QUALITY.
To my point of view isn't important what kind of song you send. Important is to send qualitative songs.

You don't consider some factors that make the PIGS members (Italy, Spain, Portugal and Greece) + the other 3 members of the Big Five (Germany, France and UK) make us different from Sweden. I'll outline them for you:

1. Sweden can enjoy a geopolitical bloc that allows it a basic number of votes.

2. Sweden may enjoy the favor of the jury. Also determined by the dispora of Swedish composers. This guarantees other points that add to the exaggerated hype that surrounds every Swedish entry. If you add point 1 with point 2 the result is that you will never see Sweden last.

3. Swedish Pop, which often alternates with sad and recurring R&B, is not based on the musical quality worthy of the late Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart. It is based on a catchy rhythm, fascinating and charismatic performers, extreme attention to the scenography, excellent advertising campaigns and compliant industry magazines that talk about the Swedish piece of the moment as if it were as magnetic as if it had come from Paganini's magical and diabolical violin.

4. The ballad is based on emotion and feelings while Mainstream Pop is based on rhythm. To absorb the first you have to be sensitive, to capture the second you don't. It is clear that the Pop song immediately reaches the listener's ear. I'm not saying this, these aren't my theories. You can see it too that since the 1980s we have seen a triumph of Pop as a mass musical genre. At most I accept it, Rap competes with it and Punk tries to keep up (even if unlike Rap... Now is Pop Punk!).

5. Quality... of course it matters but we are talking about music and emotions. Some time ago I watched the Opera Falstaff on TV. I recognized the quality but at the same time my beard grew and I started braiding it out of boredom.

6. Days ago I went to eat in a good restaurant near my city. In reality it was already the third week in a row that I went there to eat. Amazing food but... the third time I didn't feel the emotions of the first. In the long run the same menu gets tired even if it is delicious.

I would like Italy to make us dance. Italy is capable of doing it! Italo Dance has been an inspiration to many global artists! I would like to listen to Punk sounds (admittedly I'm biased... I love Punk ) or to have a melodic Rock song like "Sweet Child O'Mine" presented which, with the skill in writing Italian lyrics and the language of your country, could conquer the public (I see Irama capable of doing it). When Italy won it was the moment he left aside the safe ballad and it was original. To win the Big Five must not only be good but so wonderful that they crush the competition from the blocks/juries.

For Spain I expect Almacor to win. Won't he win? Okay. But I want good sound and strength. And someone says it that he hates Trap

 

[elanyvx]

@Paco Roca Irama will most likely still have a ballad this year. So you will have to look for another name that can make you dance.

 

[Paco Roca]

@Paco Roca Irama will most likely still have a ballad this year. So you will have to look for another name that can make you dance.

You misread what I wrote. I said that I would like a Hard Rock/Power Ballad from Irama (so a mix between something new and the Italian predilection for ballads). I came to this conclusion listening to "Ovunque Sarai". I'd like to see him in this capacity. It could do well.

 

[Ajeje Brazorf]

You don't consider some factors that make the PIGS members (Italy, Spain, Portugal and Greece) + the other 3 members of the Big Five (Germany, France and UK) make us different from Sweden. I'll outline them for you:

1. Sweden can enjoy a geopolitical bloc that allows it a basic number of votes.

2. Sweden may enjoy the favor of the jury. Also determined by the dispora of Swedish composers. This guarantees other points that add to the exaggerated hype that surrounds every Swedish entry. If you add point 1 with point 2 the result is that you will never see Sweden last.

3. Swedish Pop, which often alternates with sad and recurring R&B, is not based on the musical quality worthy of the late Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart. It is based on a catchy rhythm, fascinating and charismatic performers, extreme attention to the scenography, excellent advertising campaigns and compliant industry magazines that talk about the Swedish piece of the moment as if it were as magnetic as if it had come from Paganini's magical and diabolical violin.

4. The ballad is based on emotion and feelings while Mainstream Pop is based on rhythm. To absorb the first you have to be sensitive, to capture the second you don't. It is clear that the Pop song immediately reaches the listener's ear. I'm not saying this, these aren't my theories. You can see it too that since the 1980s we have seen a triumph of Pop as a mass musical genre. At most I accept it, Rap competes with it and Punk tries to keep up (even if unlike Rap... Now is Pop Punk!).

5. Quality... of course it matters but we are talking about music and emotions. Some time ago I watched the Opera Falstaff on TV. I recognized the quality but at the same time my beard grew and I started braiding it out of boredom.

6. Days ago I went to eat in a good restaurant near my city. In reality it was already the third week in a row that I went there to eat. Amazing food but... the third time I didn't feel the emotions of the first. In the long run the same menu gets tired even if it is delicious.

I would like Italy to make us dance. Italy is capable of doing it! Italo Dance has been an inspiration to many global artists! I would like to listen to Punk sounds (admittedly I'm biased... I love Punk ) or to have a melodic Rock song like "Sweet Child O'Mine" presented which, with the skill in writing Italian lyrics and the language of your country, could conquer the public (I see Irama capable of doing it). When Italy won it was the moment he left aside the safe ballad and it was original. To win the Big Five must not only be good but so wonderful that they crush the competition from the blocks/juries.

For Spain I expect Almacor to win. Won't he win? Okay. But I want good sound and strength. And someone says it that he hates Trap

Points 5 and 6 are more a personal opinion though, since the results suggest something else: if in the last 6 editions of the contest Italy ALWAYS came in the top 6, it means that what you found boring or without emotion, wasn't so for other people who voted for those songs. So maybe, just maybe, the songs weren't the problem, but the problem is for some reasons they just didn't click with you or even you don't click with the majority of mainstream Italian music which is totally fine.

 

[Paco Roca]

Points 5 and 6 are more a personal opinion though, since the results suggest something else: if in the last 6 editions of the contest Italy ALWAYS came in the top 6, it means that what you found boring or without emotion, wasn't so for other people who voted for those songs. So maybe, just maybe, the songs weren't the problem, but the problem is for some reasons they just didn't click with you or even you don't click with the majority of mainstream Italian music which is totally fine.

I'm starting to think I'm not good at expressing myself I didn't say I didn't like Italian ballads... I loved "Fai Rumore" and "Due Vite" was engaging. Only "Brividi" didn't convince me and I find the ranking overestimated (excellent musical package overall: profound message, Urban/R&B atmosphere, well-written lyrics, high-level video clips but after the first evening of Sanremo, Mahmood and Blanco are not managed to replicate the strength of the piece... indeed, the performance in Turin was painful). In my previous posts I only said that bringing too many ballads in a row might dull the audience's interest a bit. Are points 5 and 6 subjective? Isn't music by its very definition an art that is liked or not based on subjectivity? But I don't think I was that subjective. In the first case, it is a known marketing technique, a product that is not renewed risks being less attractive over time. If I weren't right we would all still be enthusiastic about Händel's baroque compositions And then, the quality of performance cannot be used as a universal measure. Ok, a song can be perfect enough to have highly descriptive music (like "The Four Seasons" by Vivaldi, so to speak), to have periods of time within the same song so as to make it dynamic, the singer knows how to move on the various vocal registers with mastery, the lyrics be well written and the melody as well but if you don't like a song, perfection leaves it alone. This is why Mengoni's technique was outclassed by an out of tune, choreographically imperfect but original Käärijää. And here I doesn't talk about subjectivity. The majority of the public, despite all his flaws, preferred the Finnish singer.

 

[nudiecrudi]

I'm starting to think I'm not good at expressing myself I didn't say I didn't like Italian ballads... I loved "Fai Rumore" and "Due Vite" was engaging. Only "Brividi" didn't convince me and I find the ranking overestimated (excellent musical package overall: profound message, Urban/R&B atmosphere, well-written lyrics, high-level video clips but after the first evening of Sanremo, Mahmood and Blanco are not managed to replicate the strength of the piece... indeed, the performance in Turin was painful). In my previous posts I only said that bringing too many ballads in a row might dull the audience's interest a bit. Are points 5 and 6 subjective? Isn't music by its very definition an art that is liked or not based on subjectivity? But I don't think I was that subjective. In the first case, it is a known marketing technique, a product that is not renewed risks being less attractive over time. If I weren't right we would all still be enthusiastic about Händel's baroque compositions And then, the quality of performance cannot be used as a universal measure. Ok, a song can be perfect enough to have highly descriptive music (like "The Four Seasons" by Vivaldi, so to speak), to have periods of time within the same song so as to make it dynamic, the singer knows how to move on the various vocal registers with mastery, the lyrics be well written and the melody as well but if you don't like a song, perfection leaves it alone. This is why Mengoni's technique was outclassed by an out of tune, choreographically imperfect but original Käärijää. And here I doesn't talk about subjectivity. The majority of the public, despite all his flaws, preferred the Finnish singer.

The same public preferred Arcade then Soldi or the Icelandic group or the Australian opera singer, which presented more original songs compared to a classic ballad

 

[sucof]

 

[Ajeje Brazorf]

I'm starting to think I'm not good at expressing myself I didn't say I didn't like Italian ballads... I loved "Fai Rumore" and "Due Vite" was engaging. Only "Brividi" didn't convince me and I find the ranking overestimated (excellent musical package overall: profound message, Urban/R&B atmosphere, well-written lyrics, high-level video clips but after the first evening of Sanremo, Mahmood and Blanco are not managed to replicate the strength of the piece... indeed, the performance in Turin was painful). In my previous posts I only said that bringing too many ballads in a row might dull the audience's interest a bit. points 5 and 6 subjective? Isn't music by its very definition an art that is liked or not based on subjectivity? But I don't think I was that subjective. In the first case, it is a known marketing technique, a product that is not renewed risks being less attractive over time. If I weren't right we would all still be enthusiastic about Händel's baroque compositions And then, the quality of performance cannot be used as a universal measure. Ok, a song can be perfect enough to have highly descriptive music (like "The Four Seasons" by Vivaldi, so to speak), to have periods of time within the same song so as to make it dynamic, the singer knows how to move on the various vocal registers with mastery, the lyrics be well written and the melody as well but if you don't like a song, perfection leaves it alone. This is why Mengoni's technique was outclassed by an out of tune, choreographically imperfect but original Käärijää. And here I doesn't talk about subjectivity. The majority of the public, despite all his flaws, preferred the Finnish singer.

And I respond you, we don't really care... We don't care if someone has a better song. Italy has not returned the contest in 2011 to win every single year, to please every single musical palate, to be the weird one, the conservative one or the classy one. Italy came back to promote its music and its singers outside Italy, nothing else. We Italian Eurofans love when our entries are appreciated, of course, but if it's not appreciated well we don't care that much, we are just happy someone is on that stage singing in our language. If Käärjä was more liked than Marco, well, good for him, btw, I liked his song too. Marco's song was liked more than other 33 songs and I consider that a success aswell. If the audience would have been bored by Due Vite, by Brividi (which I, is not a secret, don't like that much), or by any other Italian ballad they would have never voted for them. So I don't really get your point when you say "bringing too many ballads in a row might dull the audience's interest a bit"... As I said, this applies to you but you cannot say it applies to audiences when Italy is constantly in televoters' top 5.

In general Eurofans in Italy are really realistic about our country's possibilities (not our tv hosts, who every year cry a river on tv when we don't win) and they smell flops too: when Emma came 21st, we Italians were the first ones not liking the song and not because of the "ohmygawd a woman is singing? Crucifize her!" tendency you Eurofans think we have to ostracize our women at Sanremo, but because Emma was literally everywhere at the time and she send maybe her worst song of that period. She lost a good chance and even if she now blames this and that, she knows it.

 

[b4ld3r]

Because of situation with the Finnish artists: is this a year where we potentially could see the winner decline the ESC-offer? The participating artists are not taking part in Sanremo with the goal to go to Eurovision after all, and if they feel the whole situation is against their values (or cynically think it's bad publicity) they may not see it as worth it? I'm not familiar with the opinions of any of this year's artists and not really interested in gossiping about their political views, just curious what other people think.

 

[Ajeje Brazorf]

Because of situation with the Finnish artists: is this a year where we potentially could see the winner decline the ESC-offer? The participating artists are not taking part in Sanremo with the goal to go to Eurovision after all, and if they feel the whole situation is against their values (or cynically think it's bad publicity) they may not see it as worth it? I'm not familiar with the opinions of any of this year's artists and not really interested in gossiping about their political views, just curious what other people think.

Half of the artists are youngsters on the rise, so I don't think it will be the case. Eurovision will be a great opportunity for them to gain audience. By the way all of them will be asked if they want to go to Mälmo in case they win Sanremo prior to Sanremo, so we will have an answer soon enough...

 

[BernadetteCydonia]

italy should send who i want so there would be no fighting, end of discussion ♥ /j

 

[nudiecrudi]

italy should send who i want so there would be no fighting, end of discussion ♥ /j

We are Italians Bernadette, we love passionate fighting.
Just to know, which one do you want?

 

[sucof]

Today the journalists will preview the songs and the comments will be published at 6pm.

yes it's him

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1746869905213808994

 

[Chiarina]

I can't wait for the early reviews to come out, I need to know who to put in my FantaSanremo team and class is quite boring today as well

 

[nudiecrudi]

The most appreciated by the press:
Annalisa
Angelina
Diodato
Mahmood
The Kolors
Geolier
Loredana Berte
Dargen D'amico
Somehow deluded by Alessandra Amoroso. Fiorella Mannoia, SanGiovanni and Alfa

 

[nudiecrudi]

https://x.com/sanremo_en/status/1746985907054621126?s=20

A resuming of the votes published by some newspapers
Loredana, Annalisa. Angelina, Diodato and Mahmoud top 5

 

[njdevils94]