Italy ITALY 2022 - Mahmood and Blanco - Brividi

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Ho sognato di volare con te
Su una bici di diamanti
Mi hai detto: "Sei cambiato, non vedo
Più la luce nei tuoi occhi"

La tua paura cos'è?
Un mare dove non tocchi mai
Anche se il sesso non è
La via di fuga dal fondo

Dai, non scappare da qui
Non lasciarmi così
Nudo con i brividi
A volte non so esprimermi

E ti vorrei amare, ma sbaglio sempre
E ti vorrei rubare un cielo di perle
E pagherei per andar via
Accetterei anche una bugia

E ti vorrei amare ma sbaglio sempre
E mi vengono i brividi, brividi, brividi

Tu, che mi svegli il mattino
Tu, che sporchi il letto di vino
Tu, che mi mordi la pelle
Con i tuoi occhi da vipera

E tu, sei il contrario di un angelo
E tu, sei come un pugile all'angolo
E tu scappi da qui, mi lasci così

Nudo con i brividi
A volte non so esprimermi

E ti vorrei amare, ma sbaglio sempre
E ti vorrei rubare un cielo di perle
E pagherei per andar via
Accetterei anche una bugia

E ti vorrei amare ma sbaglio sempre
E mi vengono i brividi, brividi, brividi

Dimmi che non ho ragione
E vivo dentro una prigione
E provo a restarti vicino
Ma scusa se poi mando tutto a puttane e

Non so dirti ciò che provo, è un mio limite
Per un "ti amo" ho mischiato droghe e lacrime
Questo veleno che ci sputiamo ogni giorno
Io non lo voglio più addosso

Lo vedi, sono qui
Su una bici di diamanti, uno fra tanti
Nudo con i brividi
A volte non so esprimermi

E ti vorrei amare, ma sbaglio sempre
E ti vorrei rubare un cielo di perle
E pagherei per andar via
Accetterei anche una bugia

E ti vorrei amare, ma sbaglio sempre
E mi vengono i brividi, brividi, brividi​

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[theCONWEL]

Worst of "La Mia Città" and "No Degree of Separation"? I respect your tastes and I also take your good words for constructive criticism but I don't think a "meh song" is placed at No. 6 on Spotify Global. The songs, as happened last year, must be evaluated over time. "Zitti e Buoni" for some was a horrible, meaningless, obscene, violent and full of monkey screams in heat. Now it is the spearhead of the ESC. The structure of "Brividi" is complex (it is a difficult song to sing due to its many vocal nuances), the feeling between the two singers must be taken into consideration and it must be borne in mind that Italy from 2011 to today has brought genres and musical constructions one different from the other.

I said what I said I reckon a week of Sanremo is long enough for me to evaluate the song and as I've said, I find it very mid and I'm underwhelmed. 'Zitti e Buoni' was a favourite of mine from the start and 'Fai rumore' was in my top 3 in 2020 as well so I'll give Italy the praise it deserves when its due, but this just feels like a damp squib. It's such a shame because there were songs on offer that would've been my #1, for example 'Virale' is probably my favourite song of this entire Eurovision season so far, another song with a complex structure and difficult vocal arrangement but one that I find so much more arresting than 'Brividi'.

 

[PollyWantsACracker]

Elisa risked winning this year and LRDL and Emma were very strong. It's not a gender issue but women's songs still can't be too strong to grab victory. In televoting, I would like to point out, women also vote. M&B won by national choice. Before concluding the message, do you want to know when the last female artist in Sanremo won? Last year. Victoria of the Måneskin. In conclusion, first you talk to me about the opening of conservative Italy towards free love and then you talk to me about patriarchy ... isn't the reasoning a little illogical? Are we avant-garde or retrograde? Modeling one's reasoning to model one's ideas is never a winning move. The fallacies are immediately felt.

Elisa risked winning this year and LRDL and Emma were very strong. It's not a gender issue but women's songs still can't be too strong to grab victory. In televoting, I would like to point out, women also vote. M&B won by national choice. Before concluding the message, do you want to know when the last female artist in Sanremo won? Last year. Victoria of the Måneskin. In conclusion, first you talk to me about the opening of conservative Italy towards free love and then you talk to me about patriarchy ... isn't the reasoning a little illogical? Are we avant-garde or retrograde? Modeling one's reasoning to model one's ideas is never a winning move. The fallacies are immediately felt.

Love you H.P., but Victoria from Må is really a poor argument. Let's be honest that that Må performance was carried by Damiano David's charisma.

Also, Italians rarely select / elect women for anything.

In Sanremo it has nothing to do with being a conservative country simply because if that was the case / the reason, Brividi would have never won Sanremo for an obvious reason.

The truth is you rarely vote for women on Sanremo.

Given the quality of LDRL's song this year, the fact it was a banger, and the support of the press they had, the 13th place the televote gave them speaks a lot about Italian preferences on women in music, especially if they don't fit into a certain box, like Elisa or Laura Pausini (and the LDRL's vocalist doesn't fit into that specific box).

 

[joao]

Still unsure how much to rate this song. I do think that it’s extremely beautiful but that’s probably because it is sang in italian which is an extremely beautiful language.
But at the same time I do understand some opinions going on here where people think it’s meh.
I love the videoclip and how it works in the studio version, but live I don’t know if it works that well. But it definitely won’t be bottom 5 and it will probably be the best host country result since Sweden’s 2016.

 

[nudiecrudi]

I said what I said I reckon a week of Sanremo is long enough for me to evaluate the song and as I've said, I find it very mid and I'm underwhelmed. 'Zitti e Buoni' was a favourite of mine from the start and 'Fai rumore' was in my top 3 in 2020 as well so I'll give Italy the praise it deserves when its due, but this just feels like a damp squib. It's such a shame because there were songs on offer that would've been my #1, for example 'Virale' is probably my favourite song of this entire Eurovision season so far, another song with a complex structure and difficult vocal arrangement but one that I find so much more arresting than 'Brividi'.

Now if you judge basing on your personal taste I respect your opinion but with this message your entering with some technical analysis about the structure of the song.
I don't thing your technical valuation is correct at all.
Virale is an ok song with a simple structure and sweet interpretation. That's it. Nothing more. I can understand you're deluded because your preferred song didn't win but denigrating Brividi is a bit too much in my opinion.
The song is complex. Has many elements. Solo singing.falsetto, harmonization, rapping, rhythm changing, a capella when they sing without music at the end of the song. What do you want more?
Have you heard the song?
Because I doubt in your technical skills to evaluate a song?.

 

[Looren]

Now if you judge basing on your personal taste I respect your opinion but with this message your entering with some technical analysis about the structure of the song.
I don't thing your technical valuation is correct at all.
Virale is an ok song with a simple structure and sweet interpretation. That's it. Nothing more. I can understand you're deluded because your preferred song didn't win but denigrating Brividi is a bit too much in my opinion.
The song is complex. Has many elements. Solo singing.falsetto, harmonization, rapping, rhythm changing, a capella when they sing without music at the end of the song. What do you want more?
Have you heard the song?
Because I doubt in your technical skills to evaluate a song?.

I love Brividi too but there's no need to be that harsh, he doesn't like the song so just respect his opinion

 

[nudiecrudi]

I love Brividi too but there's no need to be that harsh, he doesn't like the song so just respect his opinion

I said it in my message. I respect personal tastes. There is no song for everybody. We all have different tastes.
What I contradicted is the technical comment.

 

[Mainshow]

Not bad, but already overrated by bookmakers.

I´ve already seen such comment quite often on several platforms (also at being #1 for a few days).

I just think that it´s just natural that we see such massive jumps all of a sudden because we haven´t really heard anything remotely close to winning material in this ESC season.

Eskimo Callboy announced that they had submitted their entry to the German NF - was suddenly #6 in the betting odds.
The Rasmus released their Finnish NF entry - was #1 in the betting odds.
Voyager released "Dreamer" for the Australian NF - jumped to #2.
Ochman released a snippet of "River" - was #1 in the betting odds.

is #1 for various reasons right now:
- Sanremo just took place (exposure/relevance/being talked about in Italy/the Eurovision bubble)
- the song is popular on streaming devices/trending on YouTube
- Mahmood ended up being the runner-up in 2019 and just won last year´s Eurovision and naturally, countries having performed well in the last edition are also quite high in the betting odds at the beginning ( was #1 in the betting odds last month as well).
- it´s one of the very, very few live performances/well-produced/finished songs we´ve heard for Eurovision so far.

Pretty sure that will be back to #1 after a few days IF there are som well-staged performances in Melodifestivalen.
We will also see a rise of or next week after their national finals (or a massive drop if a non-favourite entry will win).

 

[mauve]

The song is complex. Has many elements. Solo singing.falsetto, harmonization, rapping, rhythm changing, a capella when they sing without music at the end of the song.

To have so many elements combined within a song doesn't mean automatically that it is a complex structure. To me there also lies the problem with "Brividi": itisn't complex, but sounds rather messy for me with no real flow. But that's just my opinion.

 

[Ausesken]

I gave it
Me enjoying an Italian ballad is not a surprise at all However, after listening to it several times, I've concluded this one doesn't touch me that much (unlike Fai Rumore). Italy is usually in my top 5 in Eurovision, but this year I'm afraid I won't be a great supporter of their entry.

 

[Ezio]

For me it's

1st Brividi
2nd Zitti e buoni
3rd Fai rumore

And all three of them are worthy winners

 

[mauve]

For me it's

1st Brividi
2nd Zitti e buoni
3rd Fai rumore

And all three of them are worthy winners

For me personally, I love Fai rumore (what a song - I love it so much and still listen to it!) just as I love Zitti e buoni. But then there is a huge gap.

 

[H.P. Lovecraft]

Love you H.P., but Victoria from Må is really a poor argument. Let's be honest that that Må performance was carried by Damiano David's charisma.

Also, Italians rarely select / elect women for anything.

In Sanremo it has nothing to do with being a conservative country simply because if that was the case / the reason, Brividi would have never won Sanremo for an obvious reason.

The truth is you rarely vote for women on Sanremo.

Given the quality of LDRL's song this year, the fact it was a banger, and the support of the press they had, the 13th place the televote gave them speaks a lot about Italian preferences on women in music, especially if they don't fit into a certain box, like Elisa or Laura Pausini (and the LDRL's vocalist doesn't fit into that specific box).

Polly, I love you too, but I have already addressed this topic of women last year. We assume that talking about gender difference only serves to fuel a climate of discrimination. A woman must not win because fewer women have won in Sanremo but she must win because she deserves it. No man, no woman but meritocracy. I urge all of us to shake off these politically correct messages. The world is not changed with slogans but with actions. Did women deserve to win this year? This year they have been stronger than the other editions but would they have done well for the ESC? LRDL would have gotten bogged down in the bubble of catchy songs where there are expert queens and lovingly supported by the public (the word "Italy" would have penalized LRDL who would have suffered positive comments but in the act of things the cleverest eurofans would have invented that "The lady X "of another country was better). Then ... do you remember the great energy of Senhit? Do you remember how it turned out? It's okay to experiment and take risks but this doesn't mean being careless. Catchy songs are always an unknown. To stake money at it, you have to be safe. Did you want Elisa at the ESC? Instead, she would have gotten bogged down in the Ballad bubble and never managed to get out of it. Elisa's song is beautiful but not powerful enough to make the leap in quality. Did you want Emma? Yes, actually she was the female artist who managed to insert palpable emotions in her song but ... wouldn't she have risked falling victim to the prejudices of the failure of "La Mia Città"? What then, wait, I want to clarify that if Emma had had the same obscene favored treatment as Ingrosso she could have easily entered the Top 10 ESC. Did you want Donatella Rettore? Euro-revelers would shout their enthusiasm, send ridiculous GIF messages and then Donatella would finish in 22nd place. If we Italians almost always arrive in the Top 10 it is not only for the skill but mainly because we do not have the earring in the nose, on the forehead we have not written "stupid". The ESC is also a game of strategy and it is thanks to this that we have faced and bent the abuses who gave birth to the legend "Italy has been stolen again". You are a smart woman, Polly, don't get bogged down in the quicksand of Hijiro (ESCTurkey). Here in Italy women are taken into great consideration and not a day goes by where we talk about: violence against women, rights against women, films about strong women, advertising messages where the little girl with candy in her hand says "I want to do the 'astronaut' and even masculine Italian words are crippled to make them feminine ...

Regarding Damiano from Må I agree in part, a band is never great for a single element but for a team game. Ah ... why hasn't anyone complained that the bands in Sanremo have won less than women? #bandrevolution!

In conclusion, returning to women in Sanremo, if women in recent editions (from 2011 to today) have won little, it is because they do not bring products capable of striking the Italian public (made up of men and WOMEN).

That's all.

 

[PollyWantsACracker]

To have so many elements combined within a song doesn't mean automatically that it is a complex structure. To me there also lies the problem with "Brividi": itisn't complex, but sounds rather messy for me with no real flow. But that's just my opinion.

Exactly. The same thing we all said about Albanian entry. The fact that there are elements of traditional sound, rapping and then a cut through to the Swedish pop refrain, doesn't make it better, but more messy.

Also, this is a result of an artist trying to please everyone's taste.

It's a complete opposite to the last year's winner and what all respected about them, regardless of whether they liked them - authenticity / stay true to yourself.

 

[harey]

From their entries since their comeback I would rank :


Soldi
Non mi avete fatto niente
Zitti e buoni


La mia città
L'amore è femmina (Out of Love)
Madness of Love


L'essenziale
Brividi


Fai rumore


Occidentali's Karma
No Degree of Separation
Grande amore

So I like or love 9 out of 12 songs, I believe it's way more than my own country.

 

[Luneaux]

I didn’t follow Sanremo much this year so I can’t really say anything but somehow I’m not surprised of their victory if they were overrated and expected to win the whole contest.

Brividi is an okay beautiful song, that’s all I can say for now of it.

 

[gingerale]

I try hard to like "Brividi" but I can't fool myself.

 

[PollyWantsACracker]

Polly, I love you too, but I have already addressed this topic of women last year. We assume that talking about gender difference only serves to fuel a climate of discrimination. A woman must not win because fewer women have won in Sanremo but she must win because she deserves it. No man, no woman but meritocracy. I urge all of us to shake off these politically correct messages. The world is not changed with slogans but with actions. Did women deserve to win this year? This year they have been stronger than the other editions but would they have done well for the ESC? LRDL would have gotten bogged down in the bubble of catchy songs where there are expert queens and lovingly supported by the public (the word "Italy" would have penalized LRDL who would have suffered positive comments but in the act of things the cleverest eurofans would have invented that "The lady X "of another country was better). Then ... do you remember the great energy of Senhit? Do you remember how it turned out? It's okay to experiment and take risks but this doesn't mean being careless. Catchy songs are always an unknown. To stake money at it, you have to be safe. Did you want Elisa at the ESC? Instead, she would have gotten bogged down in the Ballad bubble and never managed to get out of it. Elisa's song is beautiful but not powerful enough to make the leap in quality. Did you want Emma? Yes, actually she was the female artist who managed to insert palpable emotions in her song but ... wouldn't she have risked falling victim to the prejudices of the failure of "La Mia Città"? What then, wait, I want to clarify that if Emma had had the same obscene favored treatment as Ingrosso she could have easily entered the Top 10 ESC. Did you want Donatella Rettore? Euro-revelers would shout their enthusiasm, send ridiculous GIF messages and then Donatella would finish in 22nd place. If we Italians almost always arrive in the Top 10 it is not only for the skill but mainly because we do not have the earring in the nose, on the forehead we have not written "stupid". The ESC is also a game of strategy and it is thanks to this that we have faced and bent the soprusi who gave birth to the legend "Italy has been stolen again". You are a smart woman, Polly, don't get bogged down in the quicksand of Hijiro (ESCTurkey). Here in Italy women are taken into great consideration and not a day goes by where we talk about: violence against women, rights against women, films about strong women, advertising messages where the little girl with candy in her hand says "I want to do the 'astronaut' and even masculine Italian words are crippled to make them feminine ...

Regarding Damiano from Må I agree in part, a band is never great for a single element but for a team game. Ah ... why hasn't anyone complained that the bands in Sanremo have won less than women? #bandrevolution!

In conclusion, returning to women in Sanremo, if women in recent editions (from 2011 to today) have won little, it is because they do not bring products capable of striking the Italian public (made up of men and WOMEN).

That's all.

I'm not talking about gender / women discrimination.

I'm talking about something that is rooted deep in a menthal perception of one society that can't be corrected because it is a part its tradition.

I made a joke yesterday with @mauve about all melodramatic Sanremo male performers and their ballads. An inappropriate one.

I stand by it today.

If there are more than 10 male contestants with similar vocals, all singing a power ballad, in same dark / white glittery suits or shirts, then there is obviously one Italian repetitive pattern or standard that you are traditionally biased for.

An outside / foreign observer notices that and for us they are all, coming in the row on 1 stage in 1 night, the same.

If you think I'm too harsh, you should really check the Balkan ESC forums today. Mahmood got nicknamed Blah-mood. That has been his new alias for this entire week.

 

[sucof]

 

[nudiecrudi]

To have so many elements combined within a song doesn't mean automatically that it is a complex structure. To me there also lies the problem with "Brividi": itisn't complex, but sounds rather messy for me with no real flow. But that's just my opinion.

I can understand your point of view.
I just compared the complexity of the two songs. That was the main question.
If we talk about personal taste I don't have nothing to argue dear Mauve, and you know it because we have had such a good '' time'' last year supporting Maneskin.
I've read you opinion about Brividi but didn't say anything, right? Because I know and I'm sure that your opinion is real

 

[0scar]

Mad that Ciao Ciao didn't even reach the superfinal

Idk man, Brividi isn't my cup of tea at all but it's certainly not bad. Probably the best song we've got thus far but would be really disappointed if this is the winning song of ESC 2022.