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Italy ITALY 2021 - Måneskin - Zitti e buoni
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Goodmorning Midnightsun, It is very nice that you have inserted this cover because you can open a comparison that was impossible before.
The cover was very nice and I respect your tastes but now ... grab the pick, beat it on the strings and let's start our adventure in the world of Rock!
I agree with Mauve when she says that "Zitti e Buoni" is a perfect song with a raw sound and singing. If we compare the Maneskin and the Melodicka Bros, we can see how in the second case, Metal-Rock fails to perfectly define the state of anger and dirt of Hard Rock. Listening to the cover I realized how much the sound is disconnected from the singing and how the "spoken phase" (almost Rap), a connection that serves both to soften the violence and to bring you back to it, is weakened to the point of unbelievable.
Now let's try to understand what are the differences between Hard Rock and Heavy Metal.
I start by telling you that Heavy Metal comes from Proto-Metal, Blues Rock, Punk Rock, Acid Rock and ... Hard Rock!
Hard rock is a particularly gritty and aggressive form of rock music. The electric guitar is often emphasized through distortion and other effects, both when used as a rhythm guitar and as a lead guitar. The drums are often used in rhythms that guide the other instruments. The bass is usually used together with the drums: it only occasionally performs riffs, while it is more often used to mark the rhythm of the song. Voices are frequently growling and full-bodied. In some cases falsetto is used.
Hard rock has often been dubbed cock rock by English speakers, due to its strong emphasis on sexuality and manhood, and because it is often played and heard by male individuals. In most cases, the public belongs mostly to the working class, Western and mostly adolescent.
Towards the end of the sixties the term heavy metal was used as a synonym for hard rock, but gradually began to distinguish itself from the latter and to be characterized by a strong volume and a certain intensity of the sound. Furthermore, unlike heavy metal, hard rock has maintained a strong rock and roll identity: an example is the presence of swing in hard rock riffs, which in heavy metal is totally absent, indeed often in ' heavy metal riffs are melodies totally unrelated to the rest of the song.
Heavy metal began to take on some "dark" characteristics after the success of Black Sabbath in the early seventies, and from the eighties several subgenres began to develop, grouped into the extreme metal macro-genre, which was influenced by hardcore punk, and which further differentiated the two genres.
Despite these differences, some bands are not clearly definable with one of the two genres, and often find themselves somewhere between hard rock and heavy metal.
Leaving aside that a clear distinction is still difficult to implement today ... «The gods made heavy metal and it's never gonna die!» (Manowar, The Gods Made Heavy Metal)
Heavy metal music appears conceptually at the end of this path of technical and technological enhancement of sound. Its origins must surely be sought in the United Kingdom (perhaps around Birmingham) towards the end of the sixties, when, evolving from the Progressive rock sound (Pink Floyd, King Crimson, Genesis, Yes, Van der Graaf Generator, Gentle Giant, Emerson, Lake & Palmer and the like) and from Southern rock (38 Special), breakout groups such as Deep Purple, Led Zeppelin and Black Sabbath established themselves. These transformed the blues into a very "hard" form of rock.
These groups were certainly also influenced by musicians and psychedelic rock groups (more precisely of the current defined acid rock) such as Jimi Hendrix, pioneer and great experimenter, father of the modern electric guitar as it is conceived in rock in general. Other influences include early British rockers such as The Who and The Kinks, who paved the way for the future "metal" style with the introduction of more aggressive power chords and percussion (Keith Moon is regarded by many as one of the godfathers of drums hard rock and heavy metal). Another group considered fundamental for the evolution of the genre is that of Eric Clapton's Cream, who launched the power trio, a training model of the band that later had many emulators in hard rock and heavy metal.
Now, let's get away from this whole theory, let's hit the target or rather, summarize.
Heavy Metal, what you appreciate, is "the end" of pure Rock and "a new beginning". Although it has aggressive rhythms and powerful sounds, the high experimentation and technology make it perfect for embodying something that Hard Rock does not possess. It is not uncommon to have witnessed less aggressive but more melodic and sometimes romantic Rocks from Heavy Metal onwards. paradoxically, Midnightsun, you love something that, even if not generated in Italy, embraces our culture made of melody, experimentation and musical texture (all things that only a few nations and a few artists have the courage to bring to the ESC).
Many eurofans have concentrated on hard singing and aggressive sound but have not noticed the great experimentation behind "Zitti e Buoni". Here we can observe an evolution within Hard Rock without leading to Heavy and its thousand subgenres. We have a Hard Rock almost fused with the Trap (Alternative Hip Hop) culture that is spreading in Italy. In light of what I have told you, some things are clear: we are not "conservative" and we have denied a new accusation that saw the Maneskins close to Glam Rock only for the unfortunate decision to dress in the final with clothing that mirrored the Bowie era (which by the way was very popular in Germany - remember "The guys from the Berlin Zoo"? Christiane F. talks about it profusely).
I think the Maneskin song will win you over with time. Hard Rock's glamorous raven hair is no different than Heavy Metal's (just change the cut). It's just that Hard Rock is a strong and demanding woman and this can be uncomfortable at first. Instead, for a Rodolfo Valentino of the roaring 20s of the new millennium like me ... the stronger a woman is, the more stimulating it is to win her heart. Forgive me, I love to destroy my clever talk with silly jokes and stereotypes. I hate to take myself too seriously!
Now we can put down the pick!How about a beer?
Thank you for this excursion, it was very interesting to read, though I was familiar with most of what you explained. Anyway, grazie!
But as I wrote in the Finnish thread: I am talking about „metal“ or „rock“ in Eurovision speech, because why bother about different subgenres when the majority of Eurovision fans are clearly not Metal fans? So, for easier discussion, I adopted the term „metal“ or „rock“ for anything that is loosely a song with participation of a guitar.
I love so many music genres (though my main interest is in Rock in all variations and the good old 80s) that I don’t bother about different subgenres.
I am sure, Måneskin will enter my top 10 when some other songs have faded. I really wish them good luck and wouldn‘t mind if they win.
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I'm getting so addicted to this song. It's stuck in my head.
A year full of Rock after a year full of sadness.
From the last edition of x factor I also loved Melancholia, an indie electronic rock group. Hope they ll get to be known by a wider audience.
A year full of Rock after a year full of sadness.
From the last edition of x factor I also loved Melancholia, an indie electronic rock group. Hope they ll get to be known by a wider audience.
H.P. Lovecraft
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Vi dico la mia sui Måneskin e Sanremo | Rolling Stone Italia
Certo che i Måneskin fanno rock, anche se il loro linguaggio è pop. Lontani dai nerdismi indie, esprimono rabbia in modo credibile e funzionale al successo. È il rock che vince perché sa comunicare
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In this link you will discover:
-) That Fedez & Michielin had a strong televoting thanks to the social intervention of Ferragni.
-) That the Maneskin have generated a Hard Rock closer to Pop Rock and distant from the Indie genre (now too commercial).
-) One more reason to hate our interpreters: after the victory of the Maneskins, they were accused of plagiarism. According to some, "Zitti e Buoni" would sound like an Anthony Laszlo song. Sony Music later denied the allegation. Plagiarism is only possible if there is more than 10% similarity between one song and another. we must remember that the notes are 7 and then, as Picasso used to say, "good artists copy, great artists steal".
-) The opinion of an expert rocker on the Sanremo Festival.
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H.P. Lovecraft
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You have opened an interesting topic. After Covid, what will Europe prefer? Party without brakes?
Getting lost in the melancholy or romance of ballads? 
Or throw out a scream of rage and desire to resurrect through our Maneskin?
In light of these questions, I am quite certain of something: even if our Betting Odds from 5th-6th position gives me hope (let's remember Sobral and that every time Italy has been favored it has been penalized in the final) , I believe that as soon as we realize that the Maneskin are the real danger, most of those who hate us will vote for our biggest opponent: Barbara Pravi
However, I am happy if France wins. They deserve it; have a song that has the same power as "Fai Rumore"
We can reach the "Top 10" again. The Betting Odds speak for themselves: they do not say exactly what will happen but they give a good overview of the strength of the songs in the competition. If what I write happens ... several eurofans will go for a hair transplant in the same clinic as Antonio Conte. Do you know how much hair they will tear, Nudiecrudi? 
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Well I have just listened to whatever Italy has been wasting our money on and I'm pleasantly surprised. Seems like a decent track for once.
BarefootBoogaloo
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E-e T-Thanks Ferragni (televoto) F-FerragniT-Thanks Ferragni, (televoto) F-F-Ferragni
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My dear Lovecraft.You have opened an interesting topic. After Covid, what will Europe prefer? Party without brakes?
In light of these questions, I am quite certain of something: even if our Betting Odds from 5th-6th position gives me hope (let's remember Sobral and that every time Italy has been favored it has been penalized in the final) , I believe that as soon as we realize that the Maneskin are the real danger, most of those who hate us will vote for our biggest opponent: Barbara Pravi
However, I am happy if France wins. They deserve it; have a song that has the same power as "Fai Rumore"
I don't care what Europe will prefer this year. It doesn't matter.
Would another emotional ballad win?
Or a mesmerizing wannabe BI song?
The happy family from The Land of Saga?
Whatever.
And about haters... I'm so sorry for the people who feel Hate, such a painful feeling.
As I said to you guys I m getting so addicted to Zitti e Buoni, but it isn't the only one. Madame, La Rappresentante di Lista, Colapesce Dimartino. Malika...
The album MyMama by La Rappresentante is a gem.
After the end of each ESC season I always ask to myself if italy would be able to keep again the level high and this year there wasn't any exceptions. We keep it really high.
All the mature members, and I'm not talking about age maturity, of this forum appreciate what Italy is doing in ESC.
I repeat it again and again. There is no country that has sent such a qualitative diversity until we came back seriously.
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Jendrik approves.
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Easygoing and a breath of fresh air.Me and @Franzilein approve of your decision also.
It gives my happy vibes. That's enough for me.
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I'm still a newbie to Sanremo but has been getting more and more into it lately, but am a bit interested in the pre-process and rules.
What are the rules in regards to exposure of the entries? Is it like in Melodifestivalen that they are not allowed to be presented publicly until the first live show? Are snippets allowed before? As I understand, the acts are presented already in the end of the year prior (so in this case end of 2020), but what about the songs? I see many have ready music videos and all that pretty early on, does the promotion kick in directly after they've been first revealed?
What are the rules in regards to exposure of the entries? Is it like in Melodifestivalen that they are not allowed to be presented publicly until the first live show? Are snippets allowed before? As I understand, the acts are presented already in the end of the year prior (so in this case end of 2020), but what about the songs? I see many have ready music videos and all that pretty early on, does the promotion kick in directly after they've been first revealed?
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Both for the Giovani/Nuove Proposte and the Big artists, snippets are forbidden; it's why Fedez landed in hot water and nearly got himself and Francesca Michielin disqualified this year after posting an Instagram story that had a snippet of Chiamame per nome. The press can publish their first impressions of the performances and the lyrics of the songs can be posted, but that's it.
By the time the Artistic Director and their commission invite artists to take part, the finalized versions of the songs are ready. In the time between, they have plenty of time to film a music video, and yeah, pretty much after their first performances of the songs, the promotions begin for the song (which is usually a tie-in for an album release or a Sanremo repackage, which is just the previous album, but with their Sanremo songs as a bonus).
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I don't like the song. Can they still be cancelled? Bring back Elettra! 
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Elettra got COVID recently.
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H.P. Lovecraft
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Italy overtook Iceland in Betting Odds. Current status: fifth position.
