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Italy ITALY 2021 - Måneskin - Zitti e buoni
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Italy in fourth position of the Betting Odds now but .. Italy and France have reached Iceland. We have 3 songs potentially in second position! 
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Colapesce Dimartino are now number 1 on spotify.
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Lacuna Coil had been one of my favourite bands for a long time, mainly in the mid/late 2000s... thank you for bringing them up here! Also, Paradise Lost has been my favourite band since the '90s and it’s good you mention them too! 
I present to you a little the Italian Rock music scene. Let's start with Lacuna Coil:
Have a good listening
LAYERS OF TIME: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGSed4hnEv8
SAVE ME: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mTud9BQcF0
TRIP THE DARKNESS: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTT6picaCoQ
ENJOY THE SILENCE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lx58hXh4pVA
END OF TIME: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USXHxgWoS9g
RECKLESS: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEb1dT62rlc
HEAVEN'S A LIE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wfRHPsRGkk
OUR TRUTH: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SB9LXpO6yWo
Lacuna Coil is an Italian alternative metal band, formed in Milan in 1994.
Starting from the album In a Reverie and up to the album Karmacode the greatest composer of the group was the bassist Marco Coti Zelati. Initially the group's sounds had a marked goth metal vein inspired by Paradise Lost, while later it took on characteristics typical of alternative metal.
These sounds are probably what those who gave us a big fat 0 are used to.
Although we love our language, many Italian singers and groups have sung in English.
Many of you might say, "They look like Evanescence. This is nothing new. My tea cup is broken." Instead, it should be known that Lacuna Coil were born before Evanescence
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Paradise Lost! Your taste is truly imaculate! Their new album was something else, btw. I did not expect them to reach such high quality again .Lacuna Coil had been one of my favourite bands for a long time, mainly in the mid/late 2000s... thank you for bringing them up here! Also, Paradise Lost has been my favourite band since the '90s and it’s good you mention them too!
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okay maybe let's manifest Eugenio in Via di Gioia for Sanremo 2022, I think it's time
midnightsun
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I‘m a sucker for their older albums, of course, but surprisingly my favourite is „One Second“. I know, their albums from that period are not much appreciated in fandom but the title song is probably my most favourite song ever by any band
But their latest is pretty good too!
So that’s why I‘m a bit shocked that Italy isn’t my number 1 this year, because I actually like that kind of music but I‘m more into Finland although it’s more mainstream and I often like songs beyond mainstream.
Zitti e buoni is at #11 right now, ready to conquer my top 10 anytime. Maybe it will grow and others will fade...
H.P. Lovecraft
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Gaudiano with "Polvere da sparo" is 6th in the Viral50 Global Spotify while Folcast with "Scopriti" is 21st and Davide Shorty with "Regina" is 23rd
H.P. Lovecraft
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The first audition of Maneskin at X Factor Italia. In the jury ... the 2nd classified of Sanremo 2021! Who would have thought that?!
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La PRIMA AUDIZIONE dei MÃNESKIN a X FACTOR ITALIA
Damiano, Victoria, Thomas ed Ethan, in arte Måneskin, si presentano sul palco delle Audizioni di #XF11 con un loro inedito, Chosen. Pubblico e giudici sono r...
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Polvere da sparo is absolutely amazing and actually better than 70% of this year's Sanremo main acts.
H.P. Lovecraft
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Gaudiano - Polvere da sparo (Sanremo 2021)
Director: Annapaola Martin"Polvere da sparo" su Spotify:http://spoti.fi/3stxFUr"Polvere da sparo" (Leave Music / Adom srl / Sony Music) è una canzone pop urg...
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midnightsun
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Apart from the fact Melodicka Bros are awesome and doing amazing music covers (you should check them out!) their cover song is much better and rather my style of Metal...
Awesome cover! But I actually prefer Maneskin because they sound raw and not so polished. For me being a true Metalhead I enjoy all kinds of Rock/Metal as long as the songs touch me in some way. So I actually love Maneskin and Blind Channel the same way. I care less if a song is more audience-friendly or not. I am absolutely delighted that we have two rock songs this year at ESC. I keep my fingers crossed that BC will make it to the final. But I think they will.Apart from the fact Melodicka Bros are awesome and doing amazing music covers (you should check them out!) their cover song is much better and rather my style of Metal...
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Goodmorning Midnightsun, It is very nice that you have inserted this cover because you can open a comparison that was impossible before.Apart from the fact Melodicka Bros are awesome and doing amazing music covers (you should check them out!) their cover song is much better and rather my style of Metal...
The cover was very nice and I respect your tastes but now ... grab the pick, beat it on the strings and let's start our adventure in the world of Rock!
I agree with Mauve when she says that "Zitti e Buoni" is a perfect song with a raw sound and singing. If we compare the Maneskin and the Melodicka Bros, we can see how in the second case, Metal-Rock fails to perfectly define the state of anger and dirt of Hard Rock. Listening to the cover I realized how much the sound is disconnected from the singing and how the "spoken phase" (almost Rap), a connection that serves both to soften the violence and to bring you back to it, is weakened to the point of unbelievable.
Now let's try to understand what are the differences between Hard Rock and Heavy Metal.
I start by telling you that Heavy Metal comes from Proto-Metal, Blues Rock, Punk Rock, Acid Rock and ... Hard Rock!
Hard rock is a particularly gritty and aggressive form of rock music. The electric guitar is often emphasized through distortion and other effects, both when used as a rhythm guitar and as a lead guitar. The drums are often used in rhythms that guide the other instruments. The bass is usually used together with the drums: it only occasionally performs riffs, while it is more often used to mark the rhythm of the song. Voices are frequently growling and full-bodied. In some cases falsetto is used.
Hard rock has often been dubbed cock rock by English speakers, due to its strong emphasis on sexuality and manhood, and because it is often played and heard by male individuals. In most cases, the public belongs mostly to the working class, Western and mostly adolescent.
Towards the end of the sixties the term heavy metal was used as a synonym for hard rock, but gradually began to distinguish itself from the latter and to be characterized by a strong volume and a certain intensity of the sound. Furthermore, unlike heavy metal, hard rock has maintained a strong rock and roll identity: an example is the presence of swing in hard rock riffs, which in heavy metal is totally absent, indeed often in ' heavy metal riffs are melodies totally unrelated to the rest of the song.
Heavy metal began to take on some "dark" characteristics after the success of Black Sabbath in the early seventies, and from the eighties several subgenres began to develop, grouped into the extreme metal macro-genre, which was influenced by hardcore punk, and which further differentiated the two genres.
Despite these differences, some bands are not clearly definable with one of the two genres, and often find themselves somewhere between hard rock and heavy metal.
Leaving aside that a clear distinction is still difficult to implement today ... «The gods made heavy metal and it's never gonna die!» (Manowar, The Gods Made Heavy Metal)
Heavy metal music appears conceptually at the end of this path of technical and technological enhancement of sound. Its origins must surely be sought in the United Kingdom (perhaps around Birmingham) towards the end of the sixties, when, evolving from the Progressive rock sound (Pink Floyd, King Crimson, Genesis, Yes, Van der Graaf Generator, Gentle Giant, Emerson, Lake & Palmer and the like) and from Southern rock (38 Special), breakout groups such as Deep Purple, Led Zeppelin and Black Sabbath established themselves. These transformed the blues into a very "hard" form of rock.
These groups were certainly also influenced by musicians and psychedelic rock groups (more precisely of the current defined acid rock) such as Jimi Hendrix, pioneer and great experimenter, father of the modern electric guitar as it is conceived in rock in general. Other influences include early British rockers such as The Who and The Kinks, who paved the way for the future "metal" style with the introduction of more aggressive power chords and percussion (Keith Moon is regarded by many as one of the godfathers of drums hard rock and heavy metal). Another group considered fundamental for the evolution of the genre is that of Eric Clapton's Cream, who launched the power trio, a training model of the band that later had many emulators in hard rock and heavy metal.
Now, let's get away from this whole theory, let's hit the target or rather, summarize.
Heavy Metal, what you appreciate, is "the end" of pure Rock and "a new beginning". Although it has aggressive rhythms and powerful sounds, the high experimentation and technology make it perfect for embodying something that Hard Rock does not possess. It is not uncommon to have witnessed less aggressive but more melodic and sometimes romantic Rocks from Heavy Metal onwards. paradoxically, Midnightsun, you love something that, even if not generated in Italy, embraces our culture made of melody, experimentation and musical texture (all things that only a few nations and a few artists have the courage to bring to the ESC).
Many eurofans have concentrated on hard singing and aggressive sound but have not noticed the great experimentation behind "Zitti e Buoni". Here we can observe an evolution within Hard Rock without leading to Heavy and its thousand subgenres. We have a Hard Rock almost fused with the Trap (Alternative Hip Hop) culture that is spreading in Italy. In light of what I have told you, some things are clear: we are not "conservative" and we have denied a new accusation that saw the Maneskins close to Glam Rock only for the unfortunate decision to dress in the final with clothing that mirrored the Bowie era (which by the way was very popular in Germany - remember "The guys from the Berlin Zoo"? Christiane F. talks about it profusely).
I think the Maneskin song will win you over with time. Hard Rock's glamorous raven hair is no different than Heavy Metal's (just change the cut). It's just that Hard Rock is a strong and demanding woman and this can be uncomfortable at first. Instead, for a Rodolfo Valentino of the roaring 20s of the new millennium like me ... the stronger a woman is, the more stimulating it is to win her heart. Forgive me, I love to destroy my clever talk with silly jokes and stereotypes. I hate to take myself too seriously!
Now we can put down the pick!
How about a beer? 
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midnightsun
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Yep, voicewise I like the Måneskin version better, like you said, it’s more raw, also the energy is better. Musicwise I prefer Melodicka Bros because it’s - tadaa - more melodic!
Darn, I wish I knew how to implement Måneskin into my top 10! But there are so many great songs this year. There‘s been rarely a year where I had trouble to set up a top 10 because usually #8-10 are only filler songs. But this year I have more than 10 that I like so much...
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O my God. My beard got long meanwhile reading you.Goodmorning Midnightsun, It is very nice that you have inserted this cover because you can open a comparison that was impossible before.
The cover was very nice and I respect your tastes but now ... grab the pick, beat it on the strings and let's start our adventure in the world of Rock!
I agree with Mauve when she says that "Zitti e Buoni" is a perfect song with a raw sound and singing. If we compare the Maneskin and the Melodicka Bros, we can see how in the second case, Metal-Rock fails to perfectly define the state of anger and dirt of Hard Rock. Listening to the cover I realized how much the sound is disconnected from the singing and how the "spoken phase" (almost Rap), a connection that serves both to soften the violence and to bring you back to it, is weakened to the point of unbelievable.
Now let's try to understand what are the differences between Hard Rock and Heavy Metal.
I start by telling you that Heavy Metal comes from Proto-Metal, Blues Rock, Punk Rock, Acid Rock and ... Hard Rock!
Hard rock is a particularly gritty and aggressive form of rock music. The electric guitar is often emphasized through distortion and other effects, both when used as a rhythm guitar and as a lead guitar. The drums are often used in rhythms that guide the other instruments. The bass is usually used together with the drums: it only occasionally performs riffs, while it is more often used to mark the rhythm of the song. Voices are frequently growling and full-bodied. In some cases falsetto is used.
Hard rock has often been dubbed cock rock by English speakers, due to its strong emphasis on sexuality and manhood, and because it is often played and heard by male individuals. In most cases, the public belongs mostly to the working class, Western and mostly adolescent.
Towards the end of the sixties the term heavy metal was used as a synonym for hard rock, but gradually began to distinguish itself from the latter and to be characterized by a strong volume and a certain intensity of the sound. Furthermore, unlike heavy metal, hard rock has maintained a strong rock and roll identity: an example is the presence of swing in hard rock riffs, which in heavy metal is totally absent, indeed often in ' heavy metal riffs are melodies totally unrelated to the rest of the song.
Heavy metal began to take on some "dark" characteristics after the success of Black Sabbath in the early seventies, and from the eighties several subgenres began to develop, grouped into the extreme metal macro-genre, which was influenced by hardcore punk, and which further differentiated the two genres.
Despite these differences, some bands are not clearly definable with one of the two genres, and often find themselves somewhere between hard rock and heavy metal.
Leaving aside that a clear distinction is still difficult to implement today ... «The gods made heavy metal and it's never gonna die!» (Manowar, The Gods Made Heavy Metal)
Heavy metal music appears conceptually at the end of this path of technical and technological enhancement of sound. Its origins must surely be sought in the United Kingdom (perhaps around Birmingham) towards the end of the sixties, when, evolving from the Progressive rock sound (Pink Floyd, King Crimson, Genesis, Yes, Van der Graaf Generator, Gentle Giant, Emerson, Lake & Palmer and the like) and from Southern rock (38 Special), breakout groups such as Deep Purple, Led Zeppelin and Black Sabbath established themselves. These transformed the blues into a very "hard" form of rock.
These groups were certainly also influenced by musicians and psychedelic rock groups (more precisely of the current defined acid rock) such as Jimi Hendrix, pioneer and great experimenter, father of the modern electric guitar as it is conceived in rock in general. Other influences include early British rockers such as The Who and The Kinks, who paved the way for the future "metal" style with the introduction of more aggressive power chords and percussion (Keith Moon is regarded by many as one of the godfathers of drums hard rock and heavy metal). Another group considered fundamental for the evolution of the genre is that of Eric Clapton's Cream, who launched the power trio, a training model of the band that later had many emulators in hard rock and heavy metal.
Now, let's get away from this whole theory, let's hit the target or rather, summarize.
Heavy Metal, what you appreciate, is "the end" of pure Rock and "a new beginning". Although it has aggressive rhythms and powerful sounds, the high experimentation and technology make it perfect for embodying something that Hard Rock does not possess. It is not uncommon to have witnessed less aggressive but more melodic and sometimes romantic Rocks from Heavy Metal onwards. paradoxically, Midnightsun, you love something that, even if not generated in Italy, embraces our culture made of melody, experimentation and musical texture (all things that only a few nations and a few artists have the courage to bring to the ESC).
Many eurofans have concentrated on hard singing and aggressive sound but have not noticed the great experimentation behind "Zitti e Buoni". Here we can observe an evolution within Hard Rock without leading to Heavy and its thousand subgenres. We have a Hard Rock almost fused with the Trap (Alternative Hip Hop) culture that is spreading in Italy. In light of what I have told you, some things are clear: we are not "conservative" and we have denied a new accusation that saw the Maneskins close to Glam Rock only for the unfortunate decision to dress in the final with clothing that mirrored the Bowie era (which by the way was very popular in Germany - remember "The guys from the Berlin Zoo"? Christiane F. talks about it profusely).
I think the Maneskin song will win you over with time. Hard Rock's glamorous raven hair is no different than Heavy Metal's (just change the cut). It's just that Hard Rock is a strong and demanding woman and this can be uncomfortable at first. Instead, for a Rodolfo Valentino of the roaring 20s of the new millennium like me ... the stronger a woman is, the more stimulating it is to win her heart. Forgive me, I love to destroy my clever talk with silly jokes and stereotypes. I hate to take myself too seriously!
Now we can put down the pick!
Mine too. And I am a female.O my God. My beard got long meanwhile reading you.
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Guys be serious. I'm trying to work out.
I'm not going to read you any more between the pauses otherwise will not have any benefit
I'm not going to read you any more between the pauses otherwise will not have any benefit