Israel ISRAEL 2024 - Eden Golan - Hurricane

[ESC United Mod Team]

Please keep discussion in this thread specific to Eden Golan and her song, Israel's (potential) participation in Eurovision 2024 and discussions or remarks from other countries and organisations about Israel's participation.

Any further discussion of a political or humanitarian nature not relating to specifically Israel in Eurovision 2024 needs to go into the politics sub-forum. Thank you!​

 

[rasmuslights]

Like I'm against what Israel is doing in Gaza (but I'm also not pro Hamas ... they need to be destroyed)

But sending death threats to Eden is just not it. And calling her names... also not it. Like how do these people function irl. Do they call everyone that disagrees with them names? And I'm sure they also have "problematic" family members, do they just fight with them all the time or how does that work? Like I don't get it.

And sending hate to an Israeli act, how exactly does that help a Palestinian baby? I want to know what.

 

[crashworld]

If the threat gets worsened, I wonder if Israel will use that reason to withdraw. With what's happening in the ME and her less-than-favourable background, she is going to face the immerse pressure (and it's already started).

Plus, she is still a young singer (despite starting out young in the industry when she was a child), I wonder how well she can handle the hate that is coming her way. Usually newbies who come off from reality TV shows rarely get much guidance in terms of media training, so it's pretty worrisome.

Interesting, both Edens that represent Israel had/have to compete in such hostile environment. Sigh...

 

[Leydan]

It is right to criticise Israel and their government for their actions, it is not right send death threats to a singer and allow hate to spill over. I agree it certainly feels like a choice to pick a Russian tiktoker of all people given the circumstances but the stuff I've seen online is inexcusable. Nowhere as bad as Twitter, that section of the fandom is a firepit of growing antisemitism and it is truly scary. People need to stop allowing hate and violence to breed yet more hate and violence because its the innocent who suffer the consequences. They need to take a long hard look in the mirror and channel the support of the people in Gaza into something positive instead of negative.

 

[Looren]

I am one of those who want Israel out but I also think it's complete bullshit to send death threats to that girl, she's not responsible of anything, she's a young artist who's just very excited about going to Eurovision, she's got nothing to do with the current situation and cannot do anything about it, sending her death threats won't change anything to the conflict, we should send help to the people who are dying in Gaza instead of wishing the death of a young girl who's just excited about the biggest event of her career. So yeah while I agree with those who are wanting Israel out of the contest I condemn those idiots who keep sending those antisemitic and hateful comments

 

[Fluke]

Anyone else see a Belarus 2021-type situation coming up?

Instead of just pulling out, Israel is gonna do everything they can to make a political drama out of this.

They will pretend to intend to participate, then make a bunch of ridiculous demands about the "security" of their performers and delegation, like demanding the EBU to guarantee NO negative press coverage, no political questions etc. and then finally pull out "in protest", claiming they're "being discriminated" when it was their plan all along.

But then, i'm not ruling out that they might actually participate, in which case i bet they'll get booed.

 

[empo21]

Oof I had no idea she was Russian, too. Double whammy...

She should not be a target to online bullying, but as a representative of Israel, she is currently an easy target to Internet trolls, unfortunately. But this was a very predictable issue so atp it's on KAN and her management to create a save space around Eden and make sure their participation goes calmly (although I do feel like KAN feels untouchable and will try to shake the table just a bit).

 

[Israeliboy]

When this forum became so political? What a shame....ppl dying in Gaza....not only that ppl here dunno full story or history or further details and judge here by tiktok videos or whatever, they also justify some stupid things. A conflict has 2 sides and Hamas on behalf of palestinians are terrorists, whethever you like it or not, face the reality, thanks.

 

[4815162342]

Oof I had no idea she was Russian, too. Double whammy...

She should not be a target to online bullying, but as a representative of Israel, she is currently an easy target to Internet trolls, unfortunately. But this was a very predictable issue so atp it's on KAN and her management to create a save space around Eden and make sure their participation goes calmly (although I do feel like KAN feels untouchable and will try to shake the table just a bit).

What exactly makes her Russian? This is what can be found on her Wikipedia entry:

Golan was born in Kfar Sava in 2003. When she was six years old, she and her parents moved to Moscow for permanent residence due to her father's work, where she spent 13 years. Her father Eddie is Jewish-Latvian by origin, while her mother Olga is Jewish-Ukrainian; her family left the then-Soviet Union for Israel, before moving to Russia in her childhood. [...]
According to Golan, she had mixed feelings about her time living in Russia, and that while she started her music career there, she was also uncomfortable due to frequent manifestations of antisemitism. Golan and her parents moved back to Israel in 2022.

 

[Israeliboy]

What exactly makes her Russian? This is what can be found on her Wikipedia entry:

Golan was born in Kfar Sava in 2003. When she was six years old, she and her parents moved to Moscow for permanent residence due to her father's work, where she spent 13 years. Her father Eddie is Jewish-Latvian by origin, while her mother Olga is Jewish-Ukrainian; her family left the then-Soviet Union for Israel, before moving to Russia in her childhood. [...]
According to Golan, she had mixed feelings about her time living in Russia, and that while she started her music career there, she was also uncomfortable due to frequent manifestations of antisemitism. Golan and her parents moved back to Israel in 2022.

Ppl here who obviously again DO NOT KNOW Israel, don't know that there are around 1 milions ppl here from Soviet Union (10% of population here).

 

[crashworld]

I think it's just sad and pathetic at the same time that they tarnished her simply because she is an Israeli and someone who has pretty deep connections to Russia just because of the existing wars. All I can say the timing of her win is just simply unfortunate. And I wish people can wise up and stop projecting their disdain for what is happening now onto her.

 

[Sammy]

Any post, that says „we want this“, „we don‘t want that“ or worse „we are…“ makes me stop reading immeadiatly. It‘s always suspicious to me if someone uses a self proclaimed mandat to speak for more than just him/herself.

 

[ag89]

I've heard many times that Israel's situation with the war there could help Israel win votes or even the competition. Some compare it to Ukraine's case in 2022, but Israel is not Ukraine, and the conflict's perception is not and shouldn't be the same. Initially, there was a lot of support for Israel worldwide, especially in Europe, after the events of October 7th, but that's changed. As we learn more about what's happening, Israel's image is getting worse and worse. It's hard to justify what their military is doing there and I cannot isolate myself from images and tragedies I am seeing in Gaza caused by Israeli army.

I don't think this will help Israel. I wish this girl and all the contestants the best, but I can't support anything related to Israel at Eurovision this year.

I get why Israel wants to be in the spotlight now and participate. But I think it will only cause more problems and political drama for Israel and for Eurovision. I'd rather see them wait until next year to participate and keep some dignity since they lost almost all of it. I would rather see one country less than seeing Eurovision slowly dying due to inability to protect itself from political dramas.

 

[HarryUK]

The Slovenian broadcaster has formally requested that the EBU ban Israel from Eurovision. More will no doubt follow now one has done it.

It's the beginning of the end I think.

 

[ESC94]

The Slovenian broadcaster has formally requested that the EBU ban Israel from Eurovision. More will no doubt follow now one has done it.

It's the beginning of the end I think.

Where did you find that??

 

[rasmuslights]

Where did you find that??

RTV Slovenija bo pozval EBU, naj glede sodelovanja Izraela opravi vsebinsko razpravo s članicami

Vodstvo RTV Slovenija se je odzvalo na poziv k izključitvi Izraela z Evrovizije in iz EBU-ja. Zapisali so, da gre za tekmovanje javnih radiotelevizij in ne držav. Dodali so, da bodo kljub temu pozvali EBU, da opravi vsebinsko razpravo o tem vprašanju.

www.rtvslo.si

It's not exactly a call for a ban but more a call for a discussion regarding their participation.

 

[ESC94]

RTV Slovenija bo pozval EBU, naj glede sodelovanja Izraela opravi vsebinsko razpravo s članicami

Vodstvo RTV Slovenija se je odzvalo na poziv k izključitvi Izraela z Evrovizije in iz EBU-ja. Zapisali so, da gre za tekmovanje javnih radiotelevizij in ne držav. Dodali so, da bodo kljub temu pozvali EBU, da opravi vsebinsko razpravo o tem vprašanju.

www.rtvslo.si

It's not exactly a call for a ban but more a call for a discussion regarding their participation.

So Harry was lost in translation?? Because having a discussion and calling for a ban aren´t the same thing.

 

[Mainshow]

RTV Slovenija bo pozval EBU, naj glede sodelovanja Izraela opravi vsebinsko razpravo s članicami

Vodstvo RTV Slovenija se je odzvalo na poziv k izključitvi Izraela z Evrovizije in iz EBU-ja. Zapisali so, da gre za tekmovanje javnih radiotelevizij in ne držav. Dodali so, da bodo kljub temu pozvali EBU, da opravi vsebinsko razpravo o tem vprašanju.

www.rtvslo.si

It's not exactly a call for a ban but more a call for a discussion regarding their participation.

Thanks for clarifying!
"Discussion" could mean anything, imo e.g. safety concerns; which lyrics are allowed to enter the competition, etc.
Does the article provide us more information on why the broadcaster wanted to discuss their participation?

 

[Mainshow]

According to A.I translation of the Slovenian article, the Slovenian broadcaster state that broadcasters take part in Eurovision and thus, they don't support a boycott - however, they would like to discuss the "Israel at Eurovision" issue with EBU officials.
zalagasper ( 2019) and a few other artists signed a petition calling for suspension - I think that the broadcaster just reacted to such calls?

 

[rasmuslights]

Thanks for clarifying!
"Discussion" could mean anything, imo e.g. safety concerns; which lyrics are allowed to enter the competition, etc.
Does the article provide us more information on why the broadcaster wanted to discuss their participation?

Exactly it's more of an answer to those calls. So it's not that RTVSLO opposes Israeli participation but they want to discuss it with other members. As you said it can also be about safety reasons and other things.

I have to say quite prominent names signed the petition. Raiven herself said that her focus is music and presenting herself to the international audience but she opposes any form of violence (who doesn't)

 

[HarryUK]

So Harry was lost in translation?? Because having a discussion and calling for a ban aren´t the same thing.

This same website posted the headline on social media that they called for a ban. Blame them.