Israel ISRAEL 2024 - Eden Golan - Hurricane

[ESC United Mod Team]

Please keep discussion in this thread specific to Eden Golan and her song, Israel's (potential) participation in Eurovision 2024 and discussions or remarks from other countries and organisations about Israel's participation.

Any further discussion of a political or humanitarian nature not relating to specifically Israel in Eurovision 2024 needs to go into the politics sub-forum. Thank you!​

 

[MopManMoss]

It being political was inevitable but why does it need to be done in such a blunt way

 

[0scar]

are they.. serious

 

[njdevils94]

Doubt that will be the title of the song but people will run with any rumor without verifying it. Hearing the EBU has approved the lyrics earlier today.

 

[JenJen94]

At this point it looks like they'll make Eden avoid most of the events and interviews in Malmö and have her just show up to the arena.

Yes this is what I read too-won't be at the opening ceremony or anything of the sort. I actually wonder how it'll be with the other artists and all if she just...shows up to the arena.

One thing's for sure; Israel is gonna need a TON of security during their stay in Malmö.
Didn't Luxembourg have snipers at Eurovision in 1973? I wonder which precaustions might be necassary..?

Daniel Rosney tweeted that the police in Malmo told him expect form of reactions for sure over this and its changed the way they're having to plan. The security is going to be absolutely insane out there. Completely different vibe to Liverpool 2023.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1759664794699735202

To quote Ryk, oh boy

Totally not a political undertone there...nope....not....at all. If this is true and is the title of the song......speechless.

 

[HarryUK]

And that’s the Malmö security budget with an extra 0 on the end of the final figure now!

I’m not against Israel participating in an apolitical contest where the broadcaster has broken no rules - however they’re now bringing politics into it themselves and are owning it. It ruins the fun, enjoyment, unpredictability and excitement of Eurovision.

 

[BorisBubbles]

well if this is true, and the rumours of Azer picking Aisel with a genocide anthem (lololol) are also true, then i hope they both get to happily hold hands in Disqualification hell.

 

[EscGeek]

Guns n roses are shaking

 

[gigi_copp3]

Oh no, politics

 

[pardoESC]

On the subject of security, it all depends on the host country and what its investment in security is, I remind you, Eurovision was held in Israel, and it was at a time when there was a tense environment, and the whole event passed peacefully, there were no unusual things, there were not even outbreaks on stage in the final show, which is something Rarely happens. So if a country takes the matter of security seriously, then there should not be any worry around it.

Regarding the song, or at least the name of the song. How can it be compared to "1944"?

 

[crashworld]

Is that even true? I thought they said the song is going to be an uptempo song? "October Rain" doesn't even come close to that. I wonder if that twitter account is trolling.

 

[Marcos C]

The information about the possible song title comes from the last paragraph of an article in Israel Hayom, a national newspaper.

"It was also learned that the song refers to the events of October 7 and will probably be called "October Rain." The song is mostly in English except for two lines in Hebrew. The discussions surrounding the song and the resulting crisis continue even at this time. From here it was stated in response: 'We will not comment on such and such publications as long as it has not been announced which song will represent Israel.'"

דרמה בבחירת השיר לאירוויזיון: למה אחד מיוצרי השיר הנבחר מאיים למשוך אותו? | ישראל היום

פרטים נוספים מייד

www.israelhayom.co.il

 

[MopManMoss]

Is that even true? I thought they said the song is going to be an uptempo song? "October Rain" doesn't even come close to that. I wonder if that twitter account is trolling.

That information comes from the most distributed newspaper in Israel not just a twitter troll, of course the information could be incorrect but the source has some credibility.

Time will tell.

 

[njdevils94]

This sounds so conflicting with the fact that the EBU would be giving prior approval to the lyrics of the song.

It's like Armenia's "Don't deny", if this is really the song. They can give whatever BS excuse they want, everybody knows what they really mean.

Remember 2015 ended up competing though. Lets wait for all the details first.

 

[Romeo]

She was my favourite in the NF. I cannot wait to hear the song. I also really liked Or.

Israel has always been in my top 5 for the last decade apart from IM and made of stars.

Home was actually in my top 3 (unpopular opinion I know).

I think Eden could be my favourite with the right song. I love her!!!

Tel Aviv 2025?

 

[Mainshow]

To be fair, we got songs about the Great war ( 2015), the Armenian genocide ( 2015), The deportation of Crimean tatars ( 2016), so I don't really object an entry about the impact of the war.
It's clearly about to become a subject of heated debate and many fans will protest but as long as they don't carry a message of being superior to anyone or "getting rid off them" (like 2021), it's still within EBU's rules.

I'd prefer to compete with a non-political songs or a song which is not linked to any political, historical or socio-cultural aspects this year but what's left to sing about? "Ram di di dam ram di dam we will rave" maybe. (just kidding, could really just opt for a love ballad or brainless dance song to avoid even more uproar about them participating.. the question is.... should we really employ different rules for them unlike Armenia, Ukraine or France).

We should be waiting for the lyrics or even the actual entry.

 

[pardoESC]

To be fair, we got songs about the Great war ( 2015), the Armenian genocide ( 2015), The deportation of Crimean tatars ( 2016), so I don't really object an entry about the impact of the war.
It's clearly about to become a subject of heated debate and many fans will protest but as long as they don't carry a message of being superior to anyone or "getting rid off them" (like 2021), it's still within EBU's rules.

I'd prefer to compete with a non-political songs or a song which is not linked to any political, historical or socio-cultural aspects this year but what's left to sing about? "Ram di di dam ram di dam we will rave" maybe. (just kidding, could really just opt for a love ballad or brainless dance song to avoid even more uproar about them participating.. the question is.... should we really employ different rules for them unlike Armenia, Ukraine or France).

We should be waiting for the lyrics or even the actual entry.

Don't forget Ukraine 2007 (Russia goodbye)

 

[empo21]

They know what they're doing and if October Rain is real it'll probably be approved by EBU. It's likely clear enough to let the listener know what they're singing about, yet vague enough to pass EBU's rules about political lyrics.

The question is how the audience perceives this since it's still an ongoing war and a much more sensitive subject.

 

[ESC Athens]

Ynet reports that EBU is thinking of not permitting Israel to participate with a song entitled "October Rain", while KAN seems to refuse to choose another song. (I read it here)

Could we see a late Israeli withdrawal from the contest?

 

[Sabrewulf238]

There have been theories floating around that Israel may be intentionally trying to get banned this year.

They can't pull out themselves because it would look like they're admitting they're in the wrong so if the EBU says no they can just blame the rules for them not participating. It works out for the EBU too because they can just say "well it was the rules" and leave it at that.

It's hard to imagine them titling the song "October Rain" and not expecting pushback against it. Seems too blatant to me.

 

[BorisBubbles]

Good, good, excellent. This is the best possible recourse.

By sending in a clear political song, Israel are getting to bail on their own terms, without being kicked out by the ebu or forced out by the looming threat of nordic withdrawals. It will also allow the EBU to rid themselves of a problematic presence, and allow Israel to play the victim to those who sympathize with them.

Everyone benefits! but most of all, us because the fandom will be way less toxic and boycotty now. :-)