Contact us

Israel ISRAEL 2024 - Eden Golan - Hurricane

How do you rate this entry?

  • 12

    45 20.6%
  • 10

    12 5.5%
  • 8

    15 6.9%
  • 7

    12 5.5%
  • 6

    15 6.9%
  • 5

    12 5.5%
  • 4

    8 3.7%
  • 3

    6 2.8%
  • 2

    4 1.8%
  • 1

    6 2.8%
  • 0

    83 38.1%

  • Total voters
    218

ESC United Mod Team

Super Moderator
Joined
February 10, 2021
Posts
214

flag-800.png


Please keep discussion in this thread specific to Eden Golan and her song, Israel's (potential) participation in Eurovision 2024 and discussions or remarks from other countries and organisations about Israel's participation.

Any further discussion of a political or humanitarian nature not relating to specifically Israel in Eurovision 2024 needs to go into the politics sub-forum. Thank you!
 
Last edited by a moderator:

soundofsilence

Active member
Joined
April 2, 2023
Posts
646
Hey, I'm worse. I keep thinking Moroccan Oil is both Moroccan and an oil company (as in petroleum) then learning it is really just haircare products, before I eventually forget this and have to go through the cycle all over again.
I saw it as "Morocanoli" and thought it was an Italian pizza company
 

soundofsilence

Active member
Joined
April 2, 2023
Posts
646
This is the only war propaganda in eurovision I will ever approve of, I genuinely though KAN had more common sense than the bullshit they are trying to pull

In March 1994, i was in Zagreb on vacation when a Bosnian family was crying asking me to take them out of the country
Now they live in Haifa
 

soundofsilence

Active member
Joined
April 2, 2023
Posts
646
And yet her "Ukrainian" mother took her to pro-putin fest in occupied Crimea, if she still has it in her bio then it's not ok. I will wait and observe her actions.
Before it was occupied
20-13=7
2024-7=2014...
 

MopManMoss

Veteran
Joined
April 1, 2021
Posts
4,742
All I’ve seen online are Israeli eurofans trying to justify a political entry by saying Ukraine were allowed one in 2022. Difference is, Ukraine didn’t respond to Russia’s aggression by carpet bombing schools and hospitals
Stefania was confirmed two days prior to the Russian invasion (yes of course this is 8 years after the annexation of Crimea but still)
 

Loindici

Veteran
Joined
June 5, 2019
Posts
3,632
Location
Bejba
Like why give more ammunition to the detractors and further draw bad blood at this point in time when the public opinion of the country is at a all-time low. It would have been more respectable and dignified for them to just withdraw during the start of the war.
Because they've probably gone too late to anticipate the uproar.

The Israeli Eurovision participation seems relatively separate from the Gaza war issue, which started a long time ago. Netta won and Tel Aviv 2019 happened, despite the ongoing war in the country.
Perhaps the broadcaster thought Israel in Eurovision would still be separate from the issue this year, and no politicization of their participation wouldn't occur. Surprisingly, the issue had gained widespread attention and became a hot topic to publicly discuss. The Eurovision bubble has become more active in voicing the issue, too.

In my opinion, the broadcaster likely waited for the war issue to wane. It never happened, though, and now they are in a difficult situation to either continue or pull out.
 

Marcos C

Well-known member
Joined
June 20, 2023
Posts
1,510
Location
US / Marcobia
Some of the lyrics of "October Rain" have been revealed.

Why does time run wild
Every day I lose my mind
Enduring the mysterious journey
Dancing in the storm
We have nothing to hide
Take me home
And leave the world behind

Evening
Everything is black and white
Who is the fool
Who told you boys don't cry
Hours upon hours and flowers
Life is not a game for cowards...
As time passes
Every day I lose my mind
Enduring


 

BorisBubbles

Veteran
Joined
January 21, 2019
Posts
3,903
Location
Tumblr, mostly.
Is this real?

6dd7f8b8-bc88-499f-890d-062199c10d8b.png



No it can't be real, it can't be fucking possibly be this real NO ONE can be this arrogant and unselfaware.
 

Mainshow

Veteran
Joined
December 23, 2018
Posts
14,356
We all know the song's about the Israeli/Jewish hostages after Gaza attacked Israel in October.
Thus, it's clearly a political song supporting bringing home the remaining hostages.

That said, if you get rid of "October" and let it perform by another country, the lyrics could mean something else ("being soaked in rain", "being not able to breathe" are commonly used phrases in music) and therefore, it will be difficult to draw the line. It's just a "Don't Deny" / "Face the Shadows" situations - maybe a bit more - change one word ("October") and the line about "writers of history" (implying you're on the right side of history) in the song and call it a day...

..unless Kan/:il:/the EBU want to save face and "make" the country "withraw".
 

Marcos C

Well-known member
Joined
June 20, 2023
Posts
1,510
Location
US / Marcobia
Have they withdrawn yet? I’m getting bored now
Not yet.

From KAN's article:

"The Israeli Public Broadcasting Corporation insists on not replacing [the song], and the meaning of [the EBU] not approving means that Israel will not participate in the competition."
 

njdevils94

Veteran
Joined
June 16, 2018
Posts
6,451
This just published in the New York Times. This is about to become a worldwide story. Strap in everyone.


For those that can't get by the paywall the crux of it below.

A song called “October Rain” might simply be a ballad about dreary fall weather. But in the charged atmosphere following the Hamas-led attacks on Israel of Oct. 7, the title could also signal a lament about that tragedy, or a rallying call to stand firm against terrorism.
This week, the meaning of “October Rain” — a song that very few people have heard — became a contested question when newspapers in Israel reported that a song with that name had been chosen to represent the country in this year’s Eurovision Song Contest.
Although initial reports gave few details of the song, they sparked a furor on social media. Some Eurovision fans complained that the track was clearly referring to Oct. 7 and should not be allowed in the nonpolitical event in which pop stars, representing countries, compete against each other each May.
Since Eurovision began in 1956, the European Broadcasting Union, which organizes the contest, has forbidden songs that make political statements, insisting that the competition should unify, rather than divide. Every year, the union vets proposed lyrics to ensure they do not undermine that principle. Although Israel is not in Europe, its broadcaster is a member of the European Broadcasting Union, making the country eligible to compete in Eurovision.

On Wednesday, the news division of Kan, Israel’s public broadcaster, reported that the organization had begun discussions with the European Broadcasting Union over the suitability of “October Rain.” If the union refused to approve the track, the report speculated, Israel would not submit an alternative and would therefore be barred from the contest.
Sign up for The Amplifier newsletter, for Times subscribers only. Your alternative to the algorithm — a real, live human helps you discover songs you’ll love. Try it for 4 weeks.
Miki Zohar, the country’s culture minister, said in a post on X on Wednesday that it would be “scandalous” if the song wasn’t allowed to compete.

In a letter sent to the European Broadcasting Union on Thursday, seen by The New York Times, Zohar put the case for “October Rain.” It was “an emotional song, discussing regeneration and rebirth,” he wrote. And while it reflected “the current public sentiment in Israel these days,” he said, that doesn’t make it “a political song.” (A spokesman for the minister said that Zohar hadn’t heard the “confidential” song, but had seen “a large part” of its lyrics.)

Israel Chooses a Eurovision Act as Boycott Campaigns Swirl
Eden Golan will represent the country in May, in a contest that looks set to be overshadowed by the war in Gaza.
Feb. 7, 2024
A European Broadcasting Union spokeswoman said in an email on Thursday that it was “currently in the process of scrutinizing the lyrics,” as it does for all proposed Eurovision tracks. “If a song is deemed unacceptable for any reason, broadcasters are then given the opportunity to submit a new song or new lyrics,” the spokeswoman added.

Even before this week’s uproar, Israel’s participation in this year’s Eurovision, which will be held in Malmo, Sweden, had cast a shadow over the event. As the death toll from Israel’s military offensive in Gaza has mounted, hundreds of musicians in countries including Sweden, Denmark and Iceland have signed petitions urging the European Broadcasting Union to ban Israel, following a similar decision in 2022 to ban Russia after it invaded Ukraine.
The European Broadcasting Union has repeatedly dismissed the comparison between Israel and Russia. “We understand the concerns and deeply held views around the current conflict in the Middle East,” the union said in a statement this month, but Eurovision was “not a contest between governments.”
At this year’s Eurovision, Israel will be represented by Eden Golan, a 20-year-old pop singer who was selected earlier this month when she won a TV talent show called “Rising Star,” singing an Aerosmith cover. During that show’s final, Golan referred to the roughly 130 hostages Israel believes Hamas is holding in Gaza. “We won’t truly be OK until everyone returns home,” she said.
Which song Golan will sing at Eurovision, however, is not only up to her. Kan has been evaluating potential tracks, and although it submitted “October Rain” for approval, the broadcaster is not scheduled to officially announce Israel’s song until March 10, allowing time for it to be changed, if necessary.
Throughout Eurovision’s history, the European Broadcasting Union has occasionally intervened when it detected political overtones in proposed entries, said Chris West, the author of a history of Eurovision. In 2009, he said, Georgia pulled out of the contest because the organizers objected to a song called “We Don’t Wanna Put In.” The song was seen as a statement against President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia, West said.
And in 2015, Armenia changed the title of its entry “Don’t Deny,” because it was widely interpreted as a reference to Turkey’s denial of the Ottoman Empire’s genocide of Armenians. The song was renamed “Face the Shadow,” West said.

“October Rain” seemed political from its title, West said, but Israel might claim it has nothing to do with last year’s attacks, or even that the country has a right to sing about the impact of Hamas’s atrocities.
 

crashworld

Veteran
Joined
May 12, 2018
Posts
4,065
But the thing is, there is a second track no? I believe I read it somewhere, there are 2 choices, one is a uptempo (which I doubt "October Rain" is). So I am wondering if "October Rain" is rejected by EBU eventually, then why not go with the 2nd choice?
Why so insistent on "October Rain"? I mean if the delegation only wanted "October Rain", then why bother recording the 2nd track at all?

This is getting into such a mess that it shouldn't have.
 

4815162342

Active member
Joined
February 19, 2018
Posts
324
Imagine the lyrics started like this:

Waking in the rubble
Walking over glass
Neighbors say we're trouble
Well that time has passed

What about:

Don't tell the gods I left a mess
I can't undo what has been done
Let's run for cover
What if I'm the only hero left
You better fire off your gun
Once and forever

Anyone think there would be less drama?
 

Loindici

Veteran
Joined
June 5, 2019
Posts
3,632
Location
Bejba
They either want to be forced to withdraw or to transform Eurovision in their political statement.
If EBU allowed this, do you think it would sound like EBU intended for Israel to humiliate themselves on the Eurovision stage?
 
Top Bottom