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Israel ISRAEL 2024 - Eden Golan - Hurricane

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Please keep discussion in this thread specific to Eden Golan and her song, Israel's (potential) participation in Eurovision 2024 and discussions or remarks from other countries and organisations about Israel's participation.

Any further discussion of a political or humanitarian nature not relating to specifically Israel in Eurovision 2024 needs to go into the politics sub-forum. Thank you!
 
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i truly believe that eden is a world wide star in potential, she is not just another singer with great voice, she is in the top level that we dont see often in eurovision. you will see that in the juries she will be favorite
I highly doubt it, there's several juries where she's already got a guaranteed 0 due to politics: Finland Norway iceland Ireland Spain Belgium - possibly also Sweden Denmark France Portugal and Netherlands. Of course she's all but guaranteed points from luxembourg Germany Ukraine and Azerbaijan, but to win the juries you can't afford that many blanks, you need to be earning at least small points from all but 1 or 2 countries.

Plus vocals aren't everything to the juries: n Macedonia 2021 Croatia 2017 Spain 2023 France 2012. I could go on - many superb vocals have been given dust by the juries.
 

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I highly doubt it, there's several juries where she's already got a guaranteed 0 due to politics: Finland Norway iceland Ireland Spain Belgium - possibly also Sweden Denmark France Portugal and Netherlands. Of course she's all but guaranteed points from luxembourg Germany Ukraine and Azerbaijan, but to win the juries you can't afford that many blanks, you need to be earning at least small points from all but 1 or 2 countries.

Plus vocals aren't everything to the juries: n Macedonia 2021 Croatia 2017 Spain 2023 France 2012. I could go on - many superb vocals have been given dust by the juries.
I agree.
Also to keep in mind: The jury consists of a lot of people working in the creative fields or singers and those tend to be very Pro-Palestine. Even here in Germany, so even from us the 12 points aren't set in stone 🤷‍♂️ The german jury didn't give Ukraine 12 points either "only" 10. As I said, they don't want to look too political.
 

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I agree.
Also to keep in mind: The jury consists of a lot of people working in the creative fields or singers and those tend to be very Pro-Palestine. Even here in Germany, so even from us the 12 points aren't set in stone 🤷‍♂️ The german jury didn't give Ukraine 12 points either "only" 10. As I said, they don't want to look too political.
Oh I wasn't predicting 12 except from Azerbaijan, just some points.
 

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Italy might give 12 points to Israel as well: our jury did that last year. I don't know if the jurors will be pro-Israel or pro-Palestine (or quite neutral so they'll be just judging the song and performance), but RAI is strongly defending Israel, so who knows
 

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All politics aside: I don't even think Eden's voice is anything that special? She's good, her voice is nice - but there is absolutely no "wow" about it whatsoever for me. Her version of "Beautiful" for example was kinda mid to me. So from what I heard until now, she's certainly not beating Slimane, Nutsa, Nemo, Gunnhild, Angelina, Isaak, Raiven, Mustii or Electric Fields "on voice alone" for me. She might of course beat some or all of those based on a better Song - but certainly not on voice alone. We have way too many strong singers for that.

If the song is great, sure, but if the song isn't really good I doubt Israel will come close to winning the jury.
 

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Italy might give 12 points to Israel as well: our jury did that last year. I don't know if the jurors will be pro-Israel or pro-Palestine (or quite neutral so they'll be just judging the song and performance), but RAI is strongly defending Israel, so who knows
The italian jury gave Ukraine in 2022 no points, which could lead to the conclusion the jury is very cautious when it comes to politically charged voting (voting for Israel in 2023 wasn't controversial)?
But also to be fair "Stephania" simply wasn't much of a juryfriendly song, so maybe Italy just doesn't give a fuck about politics at all and votes neutrally, therefore some points for Israel this year could happen.

I don't even think Eden's voice is anything that special?
I can't judge since I have yet to ever hear her voice. But I trust your judgement.
And yeah beating Slimane, Angelina and Nemo will be tough when it comes to winning the jury. A mopey ballad won't be enough and politics won't carry them.
 

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I can't judge since I have yet to ever hear her voice. But I trust your judgement.
And yeah beating Slimane, Angelina and Nemo will be tough when it comes to winning the jury. A mopey ballad won't be enough and politics won't carry them.

Mustii is up there too IMO if the performance works out well. It even falls under ballad too, tho not as classically as Slimanes, and hence might be more direct competition for "Hurricane" as well.
And tbh, if Portugal pick Iolanda and if she survives the semi, I wouldn't be shocked if "Grito" was a jury darling too. And ofc Ukraine is very unlikely to see no jury love either.
 

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If :se: can't protect all participants, they shouldn't host the event.
It's a very reasonable demand.

Safety threats have always been an issue - islamists wanted to blow up the Crystal Hall and a hotel hosting some delegations in Baku back in 2012. Unfortunately, that's the world we live in and it's important to make sure that each participants and visitor/attendee feels safe.

Regarding the voting, people who have been in favor of an independent Palestine wouldn't have voted for Israel anyway (probably) and since it's not possible to do some "anti-voting" like in national finals with superfinals, I don't think that televoting really is an issue.
Back in 2019, Kobi Marimi had an excellent voice (if you ask me) and he still failed to get a single point from the juries (a ballads, great vocals didn't impress them at all) and also the televoting didn't really like it either.
So dunno, I think that we Eurofans overthink things like this whilst most casual viewers don't really feel so passionate about it - of course the Gaza/Israel war is a subject of heated debate but people will not start voting for Israel because they support them against Hamas all of a sudden and like @I bims pointed out, Europeans don't feel so "closely" connected to either Israel nor Palestine, imo.

Anyway, I can't wait to hear the song, though - especially after all the "EBU didn't accept song #1 and song #2 fiasco" but I'm still cautiously pessimistic that :il: will be part of Malmö 2024.
 

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The Walloon and Flemish government (:be:) don't want Israel to participate in the current context, "as long as the attacks keep on causing civilian casualties in Gaza". They have asked their respective broadcasters (RTBF & VRT) to relay this within the EBU.

Seems like pressure is increasing and most likely will continue so the coming weeks.

That´s actually not true, only the respective Ministers of Culture are demanding this.
 

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Yeah, it's only her "personally thinking that Israel should be excluded" and she wants to write a letter/mail to the broadcaster.

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In response, Bénédicte Linard highlighted the intolerable events in Gaza, where dozens of children, women, and men are dying every day, and famine is looming. Drawing a parallel with Russia’s exclusion from sporting events and Eurovision after the invasion of Ukraine, Linard stated that it is unacceptable for Israel to participate in Eurovision in May in Malmö, Sweden. She personally believes that Israel should be excluded from Eurovision until it ceases its flagrant violations of international law in Gaza. Linard intends to write to RTBF, Belgium’s national broadcaster, urging them to support this position within the European Broadcasting Union.

However, it remains unclear whether Linard’s position is supported by the government of the Wallonia-Brussels Federation. Minister-President Pierre-Yves Jeholet declined to comment, stating that it is Linard’s personal opinion.[...]

 

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Yeah, it's only her "personally thinking that Israel should be excluded" and she wants to write a letter/mail to the broadcaster.




The comment of the Minister-President doesn´t sound like it´s a common position in the government.
 

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The comment of the Minister-President doesn´t sound like it´s a common position in the government.
Well he denied his own commentary and just stated that's her opinion, but he didn't position himself. That's important to note. That's strategic ambiguity on his part. Since he's not actively interfering this is more silent support than anything.

Benjamin Dalle, who is head for one of the belgian broadcasters also supports her stance. Which adds pressure since it's the broadcasters that are EBU members, not the government.
 

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Well he denied his own commentary and just stated that's her opinion, but he didn't position himself. That's important to note. That's strategic ambiguity on his part. Since he's not actively interfering this is more silent support than anything.

Benjamin Dalle, who is head for one of the belgian broadcasters also supports her stance. Which adds pressure since it's the broadcasters that are EBU members, not the government.

Sorry but now I think you´re mixing things a bit up:


He´s "just" Minister of Media and Youth and married to a VRT journalist, but not head of the broadcaster, CEO of VRT is a man called Frederik Delaplace.
 

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Huh weird, the article @Mainshow linked called him "the Flemish Minister responsible for VRT" 😵‍💫

I updated my post, he´s also responsible for media but not the head of VRT, this would be weird I think if a minister would lead the public broadcaster. :LOL:

He can of course demand as much as he wants but interferring into the program from a political side wouldn´t look that good I guess.
 

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If :se: can't protect all participants, they shouldn't host the event.
It's a very reasonable demand.

Tbh, If any country could guarantee that safety I'd imagine Sweden would be one of them. It's would be a sorry state of affairs if they couldn't. I have no real worries other than some pontetial protests though. Ofc nothing can be 100%, look at Surie getting stage invaded, but i'm sure the EBU will take the necessary steps. The last thing we need or want to see is anything tragic happening and they'll know that.

So dunno, I think that we Eurofans overthink things like this whilst most casual viewers don't really feel so passionate about it - of course the Gaza/Israel war is a subject of heated debate but people will not start voting for Israel because they support them against Hamas all of a sudden and like @I bims pointed out, Europeans don't feel so "closely" connected to either Israel nor Palestine, imo.

This. I think eurofans, especially on Twitter, are deep in the echo chamber in that a lot of people are displaying the same talking points and/or level of passion so feel it is shared generally amongst everyone else, when that is simply not the case. I mean, we all thought Bashar would slam dunk Icelands NF, he didn't - himself included in that. This isn't just about the Gaza/Israel conflict though, it happens across a whole range of topics (or songs even) where the fans get so deeply invested in one angle and then the public doesn't share that belief or care enough and everyone is shocked. Sure there will be some people who will vote either way because of that conflict but I question to what depth that is or what impact that will have. I don't think people are anywhere near as hung up on Gaza/Israel as they were over Ukraine.

Personally I am not not looking forward to this entry release, i'll judge it fairly but there will be a lot who don't and I don't think it's an energy I want to interact with or have to entertain. Other than some lyrics, they haven't posted anything about it afaik so how it sounds (ballad ofc) is going to be a total surprise.
 

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Tbh, If any country could guarantee that safety I'd imagine Sweden would be one of them. It's would be a sorry state of affairs if they couldn't. I have no real worries other than some pontetial protests though. Ofc nothing can be 100%, look at Surie getting stage invaded, but i'm sure the EBU will take the necessary steps. The last thing we need or want to see is anything tragic happening and they'll know that.



This. I think eurofans, especially on Twitter, are deep in the echo chamber in that a lot of people are displaying the same talking points and/or level of passion so feel it is shared generally amongst everyone else, when that is simply not the case. I mean, we all thought Bashar would slam dunk Icelands NF, he didn't - himself included in that. This isn't just about the Gaza/Israel conflict though, it happens across a whole range of topics (or songs even) where the fans get so deeply invested in one angle and then the public doesn't share that belief or care enough and everyone is shocked. Sure there will be some people who will vote either way because of that conflict but I question to what depth that is or what impact that will have. I don't think people are anywhere near as hung up on Gaza/Israel as they were over Ukraine.

Personally I am not not looking forward to this entry release, i'll judge it fairly but there will be a lot who don't and I don't think it's an energy I want to interact with or have to entertain. Other than some lyrics, they haven't posted anything about it afaik so how it sounds (ballad ofc) is going to be a total surprise.
Just judge it a week afterwards, I'd imagine most of the protestors will have got bored of it by then, maybe 2 weeks to be on the safe side
 

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The EBU has approved "Hurricane", clearing Eden to participate this year
 
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