Israel ISRAEL 2024 - Eden Golan - Hurricane

[ESC United Mod Team]

Please keep discussion in this thread specific to Eden Golan and her song, Israel's (potential) participation in Eurovision 2024 and discussions or remarks from other countries and organisations about Israel's participation.

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[crashworld]

Ynet have just leaked the full lyrics of Hurricane thanks to an inside source from KAN. It is the believed the EBU has specifically highlighted the parts concerning angel imagery (can be interpreted as a reference to the October 7th attacks) and walking through fire (referencing the battle with Hamas) as too controversial in the present climate and will need to be changed. Can't see how the EBU would allow this song to compete. The lyrics below.

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[FilipFromSweden]

I'm praying she does a live on tape performance because I am very nervous about what chaos will happen if she goes up on stage

 

[Israeliboy]

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[HarryUK]

I think ‘live on tape’ is inevitable now because the security required for a safe Israeli participation this year would be far too immense in my view.

I hope the sound technicians are paid double for the anti booing technology! It could turn nasty real quick, especially during the voting.

I’ll be interested to see what Eden has to bring and how she handles the pressure this year - and also how the EBU and Malmö handle the security needs of KAN, should they participate in person.

 

[crashworld]

^If you are suggesting that Eden needs to perform via "Live-on-Tape" then are you proposing Tali to do the same?
Because Tali (being Jewish and has Israel roots) is also subjected to the mindless hatred thrown towards her.

While security is the upmost priority, but if we give in to these extremists, then we are only rewarding them.
If Israel is successful in getting their entry approved and ultimately can stay with the contest, then it is their every right to be at the ESC stage.

This is also a testament of how the Swedish government and EBU combat extremism. It's about time to tackle such issue as opposed to avoiding it.

 

[HarryUK]

^If you are suggesting that Eden needs to perform via "Live-on-Tape" then are you proposing Tali to do the same?
Because Tali (being Jewish and has Israel roots) is also subjected to the mindless hatred thrown towards her.

While security is the upmost priority, but if we give in to these extremists, then we are only rewarding them.
If Israel is successful is getting their entry approved and ultimately can stay with the contest, then it is their every right to be at the ESC stage.

This is also a testament of how the Swedish government and EBU combat extremism. It's about time to tackle such issue as opposed to avoiding it.

I don’t think Tali’s heritage would be as obvious as Eden’s what with Tali representing Luxembourg. Religion should most definitely play no part! To be honest, neither should nationality. It’s just a really difficult situation and KAN have done themselves zero favours in this build up.

 

[crashworld]

I don’t think Tali’s heritage would be as obvious as Eden’s what with Tali representing Luxembourg. Religion should most definitely play no part! To be honest, neither should nationality. It’s just a really difficult situation and KAN have done themselves zero favours in this build up.

The truth is these extremists do not care whether it's Israel or Jewish. To them, Israel & Jewish are synonymous. If they have the capacity to orchestrate threats towards the competition just because Israel is competing, I am pretty sure they have the same means to find out that Tali is Jewish and has roots to Israel, and inevitably be subjected to security threats.

Extremism needs to be combated and dealt with, not just let it slide and dictate the situation, because it will only embolden them to do more extreme stuff.

 

[han-g]

^If you are suggesting that Eden needs to perform via "Live-on-Tape" then are you proposing Tali to do the same?
Because Tali (being Jewish and has Israel roots) is also subjected to the mindless hatred thrown towards her.

While security is the upmost priority, but if we give in to these extremists, then we are only rewarding them.
If Israel is successful is getting their entry approved and ultimately can stay with the contest, then it is their every right to be at the ESC stage.

This is also a testament of how the Swedish government and EBU combat extremism. It's about time to tackle such issue as opposed to avoiding it.

I think tali will be fine, most people won't know of her Israeli roots and she's not flying the Israeli flag. It would just look random.

That said I don't think eden performing live on tape will make the competition safe. If anti Israeli terrorists want to attack the contest they can just so so during her performance whether she's actually there or not, the same message would be conveyed. So Sweden will need strict security whether its live on tape or genuinely live.

 

[HarryUK]

The truth is these extremists do not care whether it's Israel or Jewish. To them, Israel & Jewish are synonymous. If they have the capacity to orchestrate threats towards the competition just because Israel is competing, I am pretty sure they have the same means to find out that Tali is Jewish and has roots to Israel, and inevitably be subjected to security threats.

Extremism needs to be combated and dealt with, not just let it slide and dictate the situation, because it will only embolden them to do more extreme stuff.

I’m not sure Luxembourg will have the same security issues as Israel though. I don’t think anywhere near as many people would actively research that and protest her performance.

I do agree to an extent, but I think it has to be remembered there is a lot of justifiable anger at what’s going on… but Eurovision is an apolitical event and should remain that way wherever possible, as per the EBU’s own guidelines.

I’m not quite sure what the EBU can do about any ‘extremists’ (as you call them) attending the event who may boo, jeer or take a physical approach and simply turn their back, for example. Again, it will be interesting to see how this is handled!

 

[Charly]

I don't believe the EBU has yet approved third song submitted by KAN. Obviously, the content will be scrutinised and such answer will be given soon.

The fact that a broadcaster has disregarded the rules twice is noted and whether Hurricane would breach this or not, we will see. But ultimately, the EBU cannot keep giving leeway for something that has been a taken as a public interest in the spirit of the contest.

The second issued that has been raised as a public interest is obviously security concerns especially of where the Contest is taking place for which it is a city well known for multiculturalism and a MENA community. I too have security concerns for my safety as I will be attending the Congest itself. Ultimately the safety concerns are nuch higher than any other previous years based on the events going on and the Country's participation if they do go to Malmö ofcourse.

Lastly, the technology such as anti-boo would work? The arena itself is relatively small alike the M&S Arena in Liverpool and this didn't stop the loud chanting of Cha Cha Cha of the final results. Considering attendees will boo or turn backs enmasse is likely and it would be difficult for production to eliminate.

However, we will see the outcome by the EBU shortly.

 

[crashworld]

I’m not quite sure what the EBU can do about any ‘extremists’ (as you call them) attending the event who may boo, jeer or take a physical approach and simply turn their back, for example. Again, it will be interesting to see how this is handled!

I am not talking about booing/jeering but rather about incitement of hatred/physical violence. The former, I would believe the Israeli delegation would have expected such reactions and that would be the least of their concerns. As for the latter, EBU and the Swedish government would then have to do their utmost to ensure this is being taken care of, regardless Israel partakes in the competition or not.

And also, we are also on the assumption that most of the people attending the contest live would boo/jeer at Israel/Eden.
For all we know, it could just be a small (vocal) fraction and could be dealt with swiftly.
We would know once the dress rehearsals start, it will give an indication.

I am sure the Israeli delegation would have employed extra private security on their own, which I believe they always have.

Anyway, it's too early to say. We will know on the 10th March if Israel will be part of the contest.
Any discussion now about security seems pretty moot.

 

[Marcos C]

I also just realized that I have no clue how her voice even sounds and I will also never find out

 

[0scar]

I know it has been mentioned quite a lot here but I'm amazed by the Twitter Eurovision community, regardless of your political views I find it very untasteful to call a 20 year old girl "looking like a horse" and editing pictures of her with a face like a horse.
I don't know a single thing about Eden Golan but that doesn't sit right with me, you're also not "educating her" if that is their purpose, that's just bullying and doesn't contribute to any healthy conversation about this conflict, it's quite off-putting.

 

[crashworld]

I know it has been mentioned quite a lot here but I'm amazed by the Twitter Eurovision community, regardless of your political views I find it very untasteful to call a 20 year old girl "looking like a horse" and editing pictures of her with a face like a horse.
I don't know a single thing about Eden Golan but that doesn't sit right with me, you're also not "educating her" if that is their purpose, that's just bullying and doesn't contribute to any healthy conversation about this conflict, it's quite off-putting.

Twitter is a cesspool for trolls who have nothing else better to do.
And they most likely look worse than horses themselves.
So pay no attention to them, the more you engage or show your anger, the more pleasure these nutters derive from.

 

[Rocket man]

To be honest I just wish people would stop abusing Jewish people and attacking the country Israel. The amount of times I've seen people wanting them to just disappear or not be seen. It's disgusting. And now some eurofans want to ruin the experience of other eurofans by being abusive and obnoxious as a form of protest against Israel instead of actually enjoying the Eurovision experience.

 

[ArmpitOfEurope]

So apparently EBU has asked them to change the lyrics of " Hurricane " too, and twice already. This is getting ridiculous lmao

 

[han-g]

Could eden just get up there and hum the melody. That might work.

 

[Gili]

I think ‘live on tape’ is inevitable now because the security required for a safe Israeli participation this year would be far too immense in my view.

I hope the sound technicians are paid double for the anti booing technology! It could turn nasty real quick, especially during the voting.

I’ll be interested to see what Eden has to bring and how she handles the pressure this year - and also how the EBU and Malmö handle the security needs of KAN, should they participate in person.

There is one thing regarding terror that i think you should know, when you show fear, it grows and become wilder, it gives motivation to other terror groups to copy these actions, it makes them think that in this way they will have achievements. you dont tolerate terror or surender to their wishes, you eliminate them.

 

[Gili]

So apparently EBU has asked them to change the lyrics of " Hurricane " too, and twice already. This is getting ridiculous lmao

Not the EBU asked, KAN did. the song will be released before EBU approval, once the song will be released it will be yes or no, israel will not make any other changes. Eden and the writers have alot of free art expression..lol...what a nightmare to write a song like that, when every sentence you write you need to think if there is a political context or not, ridicoulus

 

[crashworld]

Could eden just get up there and hum the melody. That might work.

Maybe it's time for Israel to do a Norway 1995. That would do the trick.