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ICELAND 2012 - Gréta Salóme & Jónsi - Never Forget

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  • 12

    154 39.6%
  • 10

    51 13.1%
  • 08

    35 9.0%
  • 07

    36 9.3%
  • 06

    24 6.2%
  • 05

    18 4.6%
  • 04

    13 3.3%
  • 03

    11 2.8%
  • 02

    3 0.8%
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    18 4.6%
  • 00

    26 6.7%

  • Total voters
    389

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Re: ICELAND 2012 - Gréta Salóme & Jónsi - Mundu eftir mér

BUT, what if the song ends up being even better in English? Will you be able to say that you were wrong about it? I do think it could be better in Icelandic, BUT, I'm not going to make big statements about it, because I could be wrong about it and I am going to give Greta the benefit of doubt that she will do what she in her heart thinks is right for her song. She is the one who should decide and she will also take the fault if the fans don't like the change she does to the song.

I don't think that it is her obligation to tell us beforehand if she chooses not to do so. BUT I'm guessing that she doesn't want people to influence her decision, she wants to do what she thinks is the right choice for her song, period.

She probably doesn't even give us a honest choice, because I feel they only revamped it for an English version, but left the Icelandic one as it was, only to present it like "Oh look here, it does sound so much better in English". But that's just because they made the music "better" only for the English version. We'll see if that's the case, but wouldn't surprise me if that's the case.

And I highly doubt it'll end up better in English since part of what makes this song special in the first place it's in fact ICELANDIC! You don't just change a language when changing a song's language, you change the whole song aswell. Even if the melody is the same, it'll not be the same song.

It's her choice, and obviously she's not obliged to anything, but then again if she wants fans or not that's up to her.

I don't think she genuinely thinks the song will benefit of English in musical terms (because it won't), she probably thinks about the potential success in ESC and the desperate idea people have that English collects more votes. Many artists have this deluded idea that ESC will make them cross-over to the European/International market and believe that singing in English will help them accomplish this easier, while in fact almost no one becomes an international name after entering ESC, so why not just stay true to your song and respect the opinion of the majority of the song's fans?

This song is not made for English period. I now feel sorry I didn't support the boyband or "Hugarro" instead, because as a fan of this song I feel fooled, those would have at least made some sense in English.
 

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Re: ICELAND 2012 - Gréta Salóme & Jónsi - Mundu eftir mér

i lveo the song, and even english version would be very good
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uexbaH8u9j4

So use Google Translate then. In this time and age if people want to understand the lyrics it's really not that hard, they could even sing the song with subtitles as part of their act in ESC if that's what they're worrying about.

I for one find beauty in the fact that it's not in English and I don't even need a translation, I let the language in combination with music speak for itself.
 

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That is always a personal impression, but if I feel that English is as good or better than Islandic I have no problem to say sorry. In my opinion Mundu eftir mér is just not a song that English would fit. There are songs more universal in sound, that language is not in first line of importance.

. She is the one who should decide and she will also take the fault if the fans don't like the change she does to the song.
Of course she will be judged but people will have more sympathy for her if she'd take fans advice under consideration. If she feels there has to be English, make a chorus in English but keep most of the song in Islandic. More people seem to like it in original, that's some tendency (please read comments on YT: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mepztXfP9_c ), so if they fail in English she will have fault too. Fans will be able to tell "We were telling you, but you didn't listen".
 

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Re: ICELAND 2012 - Gréta Salóme & Jónsi - Mundu eftir mér

So use Google Translate then. In this time and age if people want to understand the lyrics it's really not that hard, they could even sing the song with subtitles as part of their act in ESC if that's what they're worrying about.

I for one find beauty in the fact that it's not in English and I don't even need a translation, I let the language in combination with music speak for itself.
i find that beauty. i just like how sounds in english. anyway this song must be in final
 

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i find that beauty. i just like how sounds in english. anyway this song must be in final

But you haven't even heard it in English?
 

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That is always a personal impression, but if I feel that English is as good or better than Islandic I have no problem to say sorry. In my opinion Mundu eftir mér is just not a song that English would fit. There are songs more universal in sound, that language is not in first line of importance.

Hmm I don't really understand this comment? English is better than Icelandic? However I agree that in this case English doesn't fit.

Of course she will be judged but people will have more sympathy for her if she'd take fans advice under consideration. If she feels there has to be English, make a chorus in English but keep most of the song in Islandic. More people seem to like it in original, that's some tendency (please read comments on YT: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mepztXfP9_c ), so if they fail in English she will have fault too. Fans will be able to tell "We were telling you, but you didn't listen".

Exactly! It's her song, her choice and her prerogative. She doesn't has to care about what the fans say, however she can't rely on our votes either then.
 

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Re: ICELAND 2012 - Gréta Salóme & Jónsi - Mundu eftir mér

But you haven't even heard it in English?

While I am a big fan of proper lyrics I have a hard time believing that it's going to be THAT bad. The composition and vocals are superb so I'm pretty confident it will still be an outstanding song.
 

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While I am a big fan of proper lyrics I have a hard time believing that it's going to be THAT bad. The composition and vocals are superb so I'm pretty confident it will still be an outstanding song.

I don't necessarily say it'll be bad, I'm saying it will not make sense in this song. It's not your everyday pop entry, it's the first time EVER Iceland sends something with a local touch, that has never been done before, and then go and translate it to English?
 

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I do understand what you guys are saying, and I know she is taking a lot of chances if she decides on English. But I have been listing to some interviews with her on the radio here in Iceland and she does realize that the fans here prefere to hear it in Icelandic. She said that since the english version was also available, she wanted to sing both versions and choose the one that she thinks will be best for the song.
The story behind the song is very beautiful and I think she wants people to understand it. I know that people on this website are able to google it but the ordinary Joe, watching Eurovision will not :D BUT you never know, maybe it will be in Icelandic after all :lol:
 

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Re: ICELAND 2012 - Gréta Salóme & Jónsi - Mundu eftir mér

I agree with that. At this point we should just wait and see. Getting all riled up about a possible (not certain) change in language seems unproductive to me.
 

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Hmm I don't really understand this comment? English is better than Icelandic? However I agree that in this case English doesn't fit.

What I meant is that if I feel that I like English version of the song more than Islandic one, but it's highly unlikely then I have no problem to apologise. I didn't mean languages in general. You probably noticed that I favour national languages at ESC. Even though I love English in general, but not on the ESC stage. If I want Anglofest, I would watch I dunno Americal Idol :lol:
 

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I agree with that. At this point we should just wait and see. Getting all riled up about a possible (not certain) change in language seems unproductive to me.

Exactly:D
 

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I do understand what you guys are saying, and I know she is taking a lot of chances if she decides on English. But I have been listing to some interviews with her on the radio here in Iceland and she does realize that the fans here prefere to hear it in Icelandic. She said that since the english version was also available, she wanted to sing both versions and choose the one that she thinks will be best for the song.
The story behind the song is very beautiful and I think she wants people to understand it. I know that people on this website are able to google it but the ordinary Joe, watching Eurovision will not :D BUT you never know, maybe it will be in Icelandic after all :lol:

Well, if she realizes what the fans want, wouldn't it be nice if she listened to us then? Or atleast gave us a choice?

If I want a beautiful story I can read a poem or a story-book :lol:, I want a beautiful song instead where the language makes up the beauty of it!

I hope it will be in Icelandic afterall, I will truly apologize for all my hysteria if that'd happen... if not I'll probably be even crazier :lol:
 

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What I meant is that if I feel that I like English version of the song more than Islandic one, but it's highly unlikely then I have no problem to apologise. I didn't mean languages in general. You probably noticed that I favour national languages at ESC. Even though I love English in general, but not on the ESC stage. If I want Anglofest, I would watch I dunno Americal Idol :lol:

How can you like a version you never heard? If you prefer national languages in ESC, why do you want one of the few local sounding entries to be in English then? I'm sorry but I don't really understand...
 

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Re: ICELAND 2012 - Gréta Salóme & Jónsi - Mundu eftir mér

I agree with that. At this point we should just wait and see. Getting all riled up about a possible (not certain) change in language seems unproductive to me.

Well, I think that not saying anything is unproductive, because then the artists won't know what the general opinion is and they'll do their choices regardless. However if we speak up, they might care or atleast take it into consideration.

In the past, discussions like these have actually made acts change their plans (we even had a scenario like that last year).
 

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Re: ICELAND 2012 - Gréta Salóme & Jónsi - Mundu eftir mér

Right, I encourage people to voice their opinions but I was mostly referring to the fact that it sounded like the sky is falling if they change the language lol.
 

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Right, I encourage people to voice their opinions but I was mostly referring to the fact that it sounded like the sky is falling if they change the language lol.

Well, it is falling :lol:
 

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How can you like a version you never heard? If you prefer national languages in ESC, why do you want one of the few local sounding entries to be in English then? I'm sorry but I don't really understand...
I'll try to explain...of course I didn't hear it but when I will, I will judge what I like more. Summing up what I said before I don't want it in English, I prefer Islandic and it's very highly unlikely I would ever like it in English but what I'm just trying to say is that I leave myself this tiny "gateaway" for that possibility. Which is like 0,1 % of chance.
 

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I'll try to explain...of course I didn't hear it but when I will, I will judge what I like more. Summing up what I said before I don't want it in English, I prefer Islandic and it's very highly unlikely I would ever like it in English but what I'm just trying to say is that I leave myself this tiny "gateaway" for that possibility. Which is like 0,1 % of chance.

Oh, okay, now I getcha! I think you must have mixed up some words before because it wasn't really clear what you actually meant, however now it's 100% clear ;)
 
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