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[ESC United Mod Team]

 

[rasmuslights]

According to ESC kompakt, Raab's final words of the press conference were „Die big stars haben leider die Buchse voll.“ (the big names are too afraid).

So I guess maybe they already attempted to contact bigger names, and they know they won't come, not even for Raab... In that case, I guess there's just so much they can do lol.

I don't think the show will be as bad as that weird NDR casting show this year though. If it's on RTL and ARD primetime, I'm sure more people in general and also more talented people (no offense to Floryan ) will apply and be involved. These shows focused on newcomers are all about luck in the end. You can end up with a Lena or a Levina. It's not like someone like Nemo couldn't walk into a show like this, you just need to find a good song then. My main issue is that it doesn't actually revitilize the German national final at all. It gives it temporarily a bit more exposure but we're still on the same treadmill in a way.

Partially agree with what you said.

But Nemo was a part of the song-writing process of the code so it's not just about finding someone who can sing.

And sorry but that's just an excuse (that no big name wants to do it). Do an internal selection then. Germany has like billions of good artists and I bet none of them will be in the show.

If the Netherlands could do it with Anouk, so could Germany with a much larger music industry than the Netherlands.

And it's not that this format is repulsive for the big names but also any artist that has some artistic integrity. As soon as you bring covers into conversation many artists would be turned off, not just the big ones.

I'm so disappointed, here I was thinking how Germany could do an UMK-type of a show but what I got was a format that worked well 12 years ago and is completely misplaced today.

 

[Realest]

I have a feeling we will reach for the stars next year

 

[Storm]

Partially agree with what you said.

But Nemo was a part of the song-writing process of the code so it's not just about finding someone who can sing.

And sorry but that's just an excuse (that no big name wants to do it). Do an internal selection then. Germany has like billions of good artists and I bet none of them will be in the show.

If the Netherlands could do it with Anouk, so could Germany with a much larger music industry than the Netherlands.

And it's not that this format is repulsive for the big names but also any artist that has some artistic integrity. As soon as you bring covers into conversation many artists would be turned off, not just the big ones.

I'm so disappointed, here I was thinking how Germany could do an UMK-type of a show but what I got was a format that worked well 12 years ago and is completely misplaced today.

Well, according to Raab acts can bring their own songs. It doesn't have to be written by Raab or selected by Raab. So Nemo could theoretically apply with The Code in this scenario (or write The Code during the whole process). So it sounds less restrictive than 15 years ago when he literally did castings in pedestrian zones and had Lena walk in and organize everything for her and the other contestants. At least that's the format on paper. I can totally see Raab eliminate everyone who comes in with said integrity and own visions beforehand because he wants to control everything LMAO.

Otherwise I agree with you I guess since I was also hoping for a different format. but mostly because for me personally the priority was on our national final. I wanted this to look different and feel a bit event-ish. (Which is why internally selecting someone famous also doesn't make me too happy, as good as that can be for Eurovision purposes). And I also don't agree that the format cannot bring Eurovision sucess. But again, just for me personally, it was less about our next Eurovision result and more about revitalizing our selection process and unfortunately he couldnt or didnt want to.

 

[I bims]

I'm so disappointed, here I was thinking how Germany could do an UMK-type of a show but what I got was a format that worked well 12 years ago and is completely misplaced today.

A UMK kind of show would be the dream and I think that's where they likely want to go with this. But as things are it's tough to get established artists on board when they just have a lot to lose and NDR has done their "best" in the last couple of years to show them the middle finger (remember Electric Callboy).

I think this show is meant to be the first step to regain trust in the people behind the scenes that they can produce a winning act and a good show and everything else will fall into place over time. UMK didn't become what it is today within one year either. They had to also build trust in the process.

EDIT: Also keep in mind. That we have such a big music industry is actually the reason why artists don't feel like they need Eurovision. Just like in the UK, the success of their own industry is the reason why these shows aren't highly regarded, since they aren't really needed. Compare that to smaller countries like Finland or Iceland, that's the only time these artists get this much exposure. A successful german or british artist meanwhile can reach 60+ million streams at home.

 

[Looren]

It looks kind of messy to me, but it can work out, you just need to have one competitive song out of all of them and make it win, look at Ireland this year, absolute shitshow of a NF but they had one song that could do well in it, and they sent it, and we saw what happened in Malmö

 

[Marcos C]

Although most of the information that is in the article has already been covered in this thread, I'm including it here for the record.

🇩🇪 Germany: "Chefsache ESC 2025 - Wer singt für Deutschland?" Revealed as New National Final - Eurovoix

The new German national final will be called "Chefsache ESC 2025 - Wer singt für Deutschland?", it has been announced.

eurovoix.com

 

[lasse braun]

i will wait and see but something like a castingformat with coversongs or so in the first rounds?
hmmm hopely not.
at the moment i would bet that we not see (real) famous german acts in the NF.

 

[mauve]

i will wait and see but something like a castingformat with coversongs or so in the first rounds?
hmmm hopely not.
at the moment i would bet that we not see (real) famous german acts in the NF.

My guess is that Raab of course knows the ESC-songs of each act, so he will push those out with non-competitive entries and let those go thru to the final who are worth it. But in this sense the cover songs-concept makes no sense at all. Stupid concept!

 

[rasmuslights]

So yeah,

it's been confirmed that in the first rounds ESC-songs will not be presented.

 

[ESC94]

My guess is that Raab of course knows the ESC-songs of each act, so he will push those out with non-competitive entries and let those go thru to the final who are worth it. But in this sense the cover songs-concept makes no sense at all. Stupid concept!

The more I think about it the less I like this concept. Cover songs at the beginning and the potental ESC entries only in the final?? What the hell??

A UMK kind of show would be the dream and I think that's where they likely want to go with this. But as things are it's tough to get established artists on board when they just have a lot to lose and NDR has done their "best" in the last couple of years to show them the middle finger (remember Eskimo Callboy).

I think this show is meant to be the first step to regain trust in the people behind the scenes that they can produce a winning act and a good show and everything else will fall into place over time. UMK didn't become what it is today within one year either. They had to also build trust in the process.

EDIT: Also keep in mind. That we have such a big music industry is actually the reason why artists don't feel like they need Eurovision. Just like in the UK, the success of their own industry is the reason why these shows aren't highly regarded, since they aren't really needed. Compare that to smaller countries like Finland or Iceland, that's the only time these artists get this much exposure. A successful german or british artist meanwhile can reach 60+ million streams at home.

Exactly, and you shouldn´t forget that the German speaking music market also consists of and large parts of , these artists can reach almost 100 million potential fans.Thats a huge number and therefore they are less motivated to apply than singers from smaller countries who wanna present their music to an audience they would never reach in their home countries alone.

Another reasons why artists like Helene Fischer, Nina Chuba, Mark Forster and AnnenMayKantereit will never apply:

1. Scared of risking their career - German press can be very cruel sometimes, they would make "fun" of them when they have finish below expectations, and in case of these artist even a normally good tenth place could be considered a "failure"

2. Not a fan of the ESC in general - Some artists probably still see the ESC as some sort of a trash festival and don´t wanna get associated with it, the ridiculing reports in the german press don´t help either to built a positive image of the contest

 

[shameless]

In general I find this debate why established acts don't apply on ESC very tiresome. They don't need so and ESC doesn't need them! How often did an already (internationally) acclaimed act win ESC? Exactly. Its rather the exception than the rule. Winning ESC has mostly been the kick-off for newer acts. That doesn't mean they have just come out of a casting show but people like Nemo or Maneskin, who were somehow successful on home ground to give them the professional integrity but didn't had the big breakthrough are the ideal contestants for ESC. These are the people that every country should attract to participate.

 

[rasmuslights]

In general I find this debate why established acts don't apply on ESC very tiresome. They don't need so and ESC doesn't need them! How often did an already (internationally) acclaimed act win ESC? Exactly. Its rather the exception than the rule. Winning ESC has mostly been the kick-off for newer acts. That doesn't mean they have just come out of a casting show but people like Nemo or Maneskin, who were somehow successful on home ground to give them the professional integrity but didn't had the big breakthrough are the ideal contestants for ESC. These are the people that every country should attract to participate.

I speak for myself, but when I say established I don't expect Rammstein, Helene Fischer, Alice Merton or Kim Petras.

As you said, I just want someone who has some relevance in the country. Like someone who has let's say 20k subscribers on YouTube and has released an album. Someone who has a clear artistic direction. By established I mean that not exactly fame or 10 millions of views on songs.

There's a middle ground between world fame and being the voice contestant in 2019 and having one song released.

Blumengarten or Provinz come to mind, for example.

 

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[Mainshow]

@rasmuslights I fully agree with you.
I don't mind newcomers but I want them to have a clear artistic direction.

I'm afraid that the new preselection will turn out to be a talent show fiasco.
I'm sick and tired of hearing semi talented singers perform Adele or Ed Sheeran.

Our broadcaster already confirmed that we won't be hearing potential Eurovision entries before show #4.

Seriously what's the point of getting rid of already established artists with a clear vision when talent show acts belt an Adele song in a better way?

Eurovision won't get a better reputation again if we send one hit wonders. I'd prefer sending well-established acts who might come across as newcomers to the general public (but who really worked hard for their dreams).

Ees is one of then. He's been releasing music for a decade, got 120,000 subscribers ans got a very clear and different and unique sound due to his German/Namibian heritage/origin.

 

[mauve]

Seriously what's the point of getting rid of already established artists with a clear vision when talent show acts belt an Adele song in a better way?

Only Raab knows the answer ... No, truly, even now after I slept over this concept, it makes no sense. Cover songs? THREE shows? It is ESC where we need ONE good song and artist! Why do we need the acts to cover songs to move to the final? I mean, Raab will know the songs of the acts beforehand and will try to push those acts thru who have the best songs (in his opinion), but what if a an act with a fantastic song makes a bad cover? And vice versa? What was Raab thinking? Quotes?
And this concept will turn off all established acts for sure. Who wants to do karaoke when they have a clear vision and a song?

 

[Storm]

One thing to consider: back in the day at Unser Star für Oslo/Baku, the artists were allowed to sing their own songs I believe. I distantly remember than Ornella de Santis in 2012 sang her own song in French or Portuguese or Spanish (?) in the semifinal, for example. I think it was sometimes seen as a disadvantage (as you guys said, everyone's so easily wowed by wonderful Adele cover lol) so most of the time, the acts still stuck to covers, but I'm sure there were more who sang own compositions from time to time.

Now, there's no public vote, so singing own songs shouldn't be as much of a disadvantage (especially if Raab already knows the possible Eurovision songs lol). And "only" two pre-rounds for the individual acts, so maybe the already working artists are allowed to just perform their own music and don't have to cover when they "introduce" themselves.

In general the more I think about it, it seems that these RTL shows are just what Alexandra Wolflast did "behind closed doors" in the last few years, but now it's kind of on TV for some reason lol.

 

[I bims]

In general the more I think about it, it seems that these RTL shows are just what Alexandra Wolflast did "behind closed doors" in the last few years, but now it's kind of on TV for some reason lol.

And it's quite frankly the most interesting part about the process, was always annoyed they didn't show more. I wanted to see what other options they had, who would be promising in the future, or who has what it takes but lacks the right song. Imagine how many diamonds in the rough have been discarded by Wolfslast cause her team didn't have the means or even interest to polish them and they went with underbaked but "full packages" instead.

But we really need a somehwat solid jury or this is going down the drain like "Ich will zum ESC". I still can not fathom how the dumbass jury send an artist like Apollson home in the first round.

I trust Raab's instincts in talent scouting though, he has a good track record in that regard (Stefanie Heinzmann, Max Mutzke, Lena). And that he made it clear they are also looking for entertainment value and not just "who can hold a note the best while singing a forgettable ballad". So I'm still hopeful for now. I can't see him throwing someone like Apollson away again for people like Florian or Anne.

 

[Datura]

tbh i generally think Stefan Raab is very overrated, and the concept of this show has been done several times before and its not really creative. it all comes down to the contestants anyway and he was lucky with Lena & Roman, but nothing else there was extraordinary by any means. i think the cover songs is quite a bad idea in general, it showcases who the artists are and maybe makes u like or connect with them, but it takes the focus away from the esc entry. so u maybe rather vote for somebody who did great covers and u've grown to like, but the esc song itself is not that strong. but yea maybe he's lucky once again

and yea the artists are definitely bringing their own songs (i know somebody who applied and would have gotten through to the show but declined because of the covers), so i don't really know why they are doing the shows before

 

[I bims]

he was lucky with Lena & Roman

He himself came 5th place, Max Mutzke 8th, Guildo Horn 7th... I dunno guys, don't think he's just lucky to consistently produce Top 10 acts whenever he is involved in the process. We have yet to bomb with an entry that Raab helped to produce.

It can still happen of course, he's old now. But to reduce his track record to two people is not the big picture.

 

[shameless]

^yeah Roman and Lena were just the crowning achievment in the end, where they basically let him host the NF, he had to go through before so its clear that he is (was?) the master of GP with a 100% track record in reaching the top 10!
We know that the same has been said about Ralph Siegel two decades earlier and we know that he lost it at some point so I assume thats why people are also mistrusting Raab after such a long pause.
I really, really hope we will be wrong and he deliver some great act for germany again.

i know somebody who applied and would have gotten through to the show but declined because of the covers

How can you know that by now? They just opened the Call, I doubt they will select the finalists before the end of the Year as earliest.