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Germany GERMANY 2024 - Isaak - Always on the Run

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No one talks about the songs apart from hard-core Eurovision fans. There's a majority of them getting on the "Ryk-will-perform-well-with-the-juries" hypre train.
Media outlets, however, basically just reported about the songs by paying more attention to either Max Mutzke or Marie Reim - which isn't really surprising because they are the only popular and well-established names amongst the line-up.

I still fail to see how Ryk's whining fest would be getting more than 0 points in a potential televoting in May - especially NDR kinda sucks at creating dynamic staging but oh well, I'd say let's give it a try (unless a song in German wins the NF).
 

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Well, the same goes for Sweden, but with more success. German songs are mostly written for the domestic market. Over the years English has become a kind of unofficial second language here and many songwriters think it's easier and more profitable to write in English because you can reach a wider audience and people should be able to understand the lyrics. The words in German are also longer and the German language may not be as flexible with sentence structure. The problem is that many of them overestimate their English skills and pronunciation or fail to convey their emotions because of the foreign language.

Some German Songs:
Difference is though, Sweden have consistently placed in the top 10 and have even won twice since your last victory!
 

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Should Marie win, we are doomed. She can't do any choreo (correct me if anyone has seen her doing fantastic dances) and I doubt that she can sing live (correct me here as well). Many live videos are playback and if she sings, it sounds like this here:


Maybe Marie-Fans here WANT to see us fail again and doing this on purpose? xcookie
 
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Should Marie win, we are doomed. She can't do any choreo (correct me if anyone has seen her doing fantastic dances) and I doubt that she can sing live (correct me here as well). Many live videos are playback and if she sings, it sounds like this here:


Maybe Marie-Fans here WANT to see us fail again and doing this on purpose? xcookie
Sabotage!!!!

No I just genuinely love that genre
 

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I don't understand in what universe "Oh Boy" winning the jury at ESC could be possible. The reasons:

* It is not an epic song and has nothing so distinctive as to differentiate it from a standard Nordic, Baltic or Scandinavian ballad in English.

* We do not yet know which competitors can enter the contest. Who knows, Italy will arrive with its usual Power Ballad and the eggs in the basket will break. Let's not forget Slimane's presence.

* Songs such as "Évidemment" and "EaEa" partially failed the jury. Songs that were thought to have the power to capture more consensus from the jury.

* The running order could wreak havoc on “Oh Boy” by placing it in an emotional song sequence.

* Some German fans often have a distorted view of reality. There are those who praised "Blood & Glitter" (a Glam Rock so dated that it could have been considered old in the David Bowie era). I even saw enthusiasm for Jendrik... and certainties for Malik Harris (who among other things brought an emotional song himself without collecting anything memorable).

For me, if we have to look at ESC from an ESC perspective, it's a terrible selection. The choices to get some points are Bodine, Reim or Isaak. Even if the song is weak, even Max would be better. I feel like it could capture the vote of the older generation.
 

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* Songs such as "Évidemment" and "EaEa" partially failed the jury. Songs that were thought to have the power to capture more consensus from the jury.
I didn't understood the hype around that 2 songs either. Eaea was too artsy and Evidenmment was too generic.
Then again I don't see the connection to "Oh Boy"...
 

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I didn't understood the hype around that 2 songs either. Eaea was too artsy and Evidenmment was too generic.
Then again I don't see the connection to "Oh Boy"...
The best connection for "Oh Boy" is "Rockstars". I included the French and Spanish songs as a comparison to make it clear that obtaining the jury's vote is not a given. The only element to obtain jury points, even low ones but you get them, is the quality and how much the song manages to have an identity. I hope I'm wrong but "Oh Boy" smells like a trap.
 

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The best connection for "Oh Boy" is "Rockstars". I included the French and Spanish songs as a comparison to make it clear that obtaining the jury's vote is not a given. The only element to obtain jury points, even low ones but you get them, is the quality and how much the song manages to have an identity. I hope I'm wrong but "Oh Boy" smells like a trap.
To connect "Oh Boy" with "Rockstars" is an offense (obviously not to @Looren 🙃), but these two have absolutely nothing in common.
 

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Eaea got 9th in the jury votes. This would still be a good result for Germany.
"EaEa" partially failed but we were talking before ESC 2023 about a possible victory or Top 5. It got the points but if we look at the expectations it was a disaster. If you play to win you get points, if you play to get 90 jury points you finish last. Then, even if based on data, it is my opinion. I'd be happy to be wrong.
 

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The best connection for "Oh Boy" is "Rockstars".
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No. I don't see a connection to "Rockstars". I understand that You don't like Oh boy and/or You think that "Oh Boy" doesn't work in the final. But these songs You picked are much different than "Oh Boy". It is like saying "Oh Boy" is the new "Arcade" or something...
 

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To connect "Oh Boy" with "Rockstars" is an offense (obviously not to @Looren 🙃), but these two have absolutely nothing in common.
I'm talking about emotional flow. An emotional song can win over the jury and at the same time leave them cold. I don't know... I don't feel any vibrations. It could be that my tastes cloud my logic.
 

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I'm talking about emotional flow. An emotional song can win over the jury and at the same time leave them cold. I don't know... I don't feel any vibrations. It could be that my tastes cloud my logic.
If you are talking about evoking emotions with a song, that is very individual. And in this sense there are probably other songs you can rather associate "Oh Boy" with, but definitely not "Rockstars", I would think.

P.S. We are btw NOT talking about "Oh Boy" winning the whole ESC. Just that it wold be the best choice to send to Malmö.
 

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"EaEa" partially failed but we were talking before ESC 2023 about a possible victory or Top 5. It got the points but if we look at the expectations it was a disaster. If you play to win you get points, if you play to get 90 jury points you finish last. Then, even if based on data, it is my opinion. I'd be happy to be wrong.

I mean sure. But why do we even care about the results so much? Eaea was an amazing entry, Blanca did amazingly with her vocals, stage presence and the staging itself. It brought a unique flavour to the contest. I don't care about its result. It was a good entry, period, no matter what Europe thought (the same Europe who placed another Blanka in their top 10 - I love "Solo" but come on)
 

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Should Marie win, we are doomed. She can't do any choreo (correct me if anyone has seen her doing fantastic dances) and I doubt that she can sing live (correct me here as well). Many live videos are playback and if she sings, it sounds like this here:


Maybe Marie-Fans here WANT to see us fail again and doing this on purpose? xcookie
I can't imagine people voting for her if she sings this poorly, even if it is german and schlager.
Thank god that there is no online-vote.
 
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