Germany GERMANY 2024 - Isaak - Always on the Run

[ESC United Mod Team]

 

[ESC94]

I have decided that Kings of Günter should be an additional wild card with their smash hit “Spaghetti Polonaise”

And I have decidied that Brits with a very bad taste of music have nothing to say in our NF.

 

[mauve]

With a national final with so many jury baits. I don't think Marie can win when there's 50 % of a jury vote.

I hope you are right. It is rather a problem of the televoters - Fans of Marie hopefully are not as crazy as our dear Harry.

 

[ESC94]

Tell that to my niece who turned 6, she loves to watch that with her gramps

She´s still young, so don´t be so harsh. At that age interests come and go, my nephew (7) and niece (4) have finally left Paw Patrol and Chuggington behind them, my sister couldn´t hear these intros any longer.

 

[HarryUK]

And I have decidied that Brits with a very bad taste of music have nothing to say in our NF.

What is Germany to me? Alcohol and metal

Ikke and Electric Callboy essentially

 

[Storm]

With a national final with so many jury baits. I don't think Marie can win when there's 50 % of a jury vote.

It's not really 50/50 though, because the televote points are distributed percentage-wise and therefore there being a lot more potential (unless they change the system again)

Last year for example, Will Church almost cleared all the Jury 12s and finished the jury vote with like 90 points or something, and had a 50 point lead over LOTL.

LOTL then got 33% in the televote and got 146 points for it.

 

[rasmuslights]

It's not really 50/50 though, because the televote points are distributed percentage-wise and therefore there being a lot more potential (unless they change the system again)

Last year for example, Will Church almost cleared all the Jury 12s and finished the jury vote with like 90 points or something, and had a 50 point lead over LOTL.

LOTL then got 33% in the televote and got 146 points for it.

Oh, I hate this system.

It's the same as in Finland (it's worse there though since it's 25 %). Makes juries useless...

But nonetheless, I don't think any song this year will be a clear televote favourite like last year's Ikke or LOTL.

 

[Leydan]

"EaEa" partially failed but we were talking before ESC 2023 about a possible victory or Top 5. It got the points but if we look at the expectations it was a disaster. If you play to win you get points, if you play to get 90 jury points you finish last. Then, even if based on data, it is my opinion. I'd be happy to be wrong.

It was echo chamber fan hype that built that expectation with little to no evidence backing it. Personally i knew from the get go its televote score was on its way, it screamed televote super flop and had it gone through the semis it would have NQed. I could see why people liked it and still do, but it was totally inaccessible to a general TV audience. Not saying countries should send 'safe' songs all the time, as risky stuff has been rewarded in the past, but there is a line where songs become too niche. Portugal 2019 is another example.

 

[Marcos C]

If you want to torture yourself, this is an average MDR music show.

Torture? What are you talking about? This is one of the most enjoyable music shows that I have seen! You have a great tradition of music shows, and this show is a fine example of them. It's a hit for me!

Basically all music shows of MDR are cheesy Schlager shows no one under the age of sixty watches.

You're exaggerating, right? Among the participants and the audience members are people who look a lot younger than 60. This indicates that there is a good amount of people under the age of 60 who watch the show on TV. I mean, only viewers of the show would be interested in being a part of it, right? And don't tell me, "Their grandparents dragged them into it." Those young adults were clearly having a great time.

I just read in that Eurovoix article "MDR is more music orientated" and assumed that was better. Come here to see the reaction and apparently it's a worse choice than NDR. If that's the case then it's a real shame for you guys.

I agree. The show is definitely not as bad as they make it sound. The program demonstrates that MDR is committed to music.

 

[rasmuslights]

It was echo chamber fan hype that built that expectation with little to no evidence backing it. Personally i knew from the get go its televote score was on its way, it screamed televote super flop and had it gone through the semis it would have NQed. I could see why people liked it and still do, but it was totally inaccessible to a general TV audience. Not saying countries should send 'safe' songs all the time, as risky stuff has been rewarded in the past, but there is a line where songs become too niche. Portugal 2019 is another example.

Again, who cares about the result? Blanca Paloma was the best choice in last year's Benidorm. Most fans and most Spanish people and the jury agreed.

Same with Portugal 2019.

Europe's taste is not always the same, though. Sometimes these type of entries work, sometimes they don't.

 

[rasmuslights]

Again, who cares about the result? Blanca Paloma was the best choice in last year's Benidorm. Most fans and most Spanish people and the jury agreed.

Same with Portugal 2019.

Europe's taste is not always the same, though. Sometimes these type of entries work, sometimes they don't.

For example, our entry "Sebi" is something that nobody would associate Eurovision with.

And it's our best scoring entry since 2011.

The European public is too unpredictable. Eaea could maybe do much butter in another year.

 

[ESC94]

Torture? What are you talking about? This is one of the most enjoyable music shows that I have seen! You have a great tradition of music shows, and this show is a fine example of them. It's a hit for me!


You're exaggerating, right? Among the participants and the audience members are people who look a lot younger than 60. This indicates that there is a good amount of people under the age of 60 who watch the show on TV. I mean, only viewers of the show would be interested in being a part of it, right? And don't tell me, "Their grandparents dragged them into it." Those young adults were clearly having a great time.


I agree. The show is definitely not as bad as they make it sound. The program demonstrates that MDR is committed to music.

Well, if you already had three beer you´ll also enjoy Baby shark. And regarding the age: Back in 2011 the average age of MDR viewers was already 61, and it has mostly only gone even more upwards since then.

 

[Marcos C]

Well, if you already had three beer you´ll also enjoy Baby shark. And regarding the age: Back in 2011 the average age of MDR viewers was already 61, and it has mostly only gone even more upwards since then.

Fair point. I don't drink, but I enjoy listening to "Baby Shark" now and then.

 

[I bims]

You're exaggerating, right?

Nope. The average viewer of our public broadcasters is 60 years old. Source.

They don't know and don't care to know how to make television for younger audiences.
There are sub categories for broadcasters targeting younger audiences (most successful being ZDF neo and ONE) but MDR isn't one of them and don't have successful branches.

 

[ESC94]

Nope. The average viewer of our public broadcasters is 60 years old. Source.

They don't know and don't care to know how to make television for younger audiences.

And these are the numbers from 2011, it has only gone upwards with the age since then.

 

[Leydan]

Again, who cares about the result? Blanca Paloma was the best choice in last year's Benidorm. Most fans and most Spanish people and the jury agreed.

Same with Portugal 2019.

Europe's taste is not always the same, though. Sometimes these type of entries work, sometimes they don't.

Like almost everyone? Its fine if you don't care, i guess you don't bother watching the rest of the show after the songs perform and turn it off as the results don't matter at all. Its a song contest and people are here for the competitive edge to see their favourites do well and see who wins, as well as find new songs and artists and enjoy a great night of TV entertainment. Most (if not all) broadcasters are definitely there for the competitive edge.

Also, that is totally your opinion that they were both the best choice. Spain I'll give as most of the singers in Benidormfest last year couldn't carry a tune and she was phenomenal singer, but Portugal 2019 is highly debatable. It wouldn't be the first and it definitely wont be the last time a country would make the 'wrong' choice. Being edgy and different doesn't automatically make something good. Yes it has been rewarded in the past, but as i said there is a line where something becomes too niche. I don't believe eaea would have done any better in another year.

 

[rasmuslights]

Nope. The average viewer of our public broadcasters is 60 years old. Source.

They don't know and don't care to know how to make television for younger audiences.

Well to be completely fair, I do think this is the case with most broadcasters around Europe. Multiple reasons for it:

1. Older people have more time and also there are more of them than younger people.
2. Younger people use streaming services.
3. Younger people don't even watch any TV because of tiktok and lack of attention span.
4. National broadcasters (at least ours in Slovenia) usually offer quality, non-mainstream, mostly European films that aren't necessarily in English, but mostly in French/German/Scandi or any other European language. This usually isn't appealing to younger audiences who mostly like mainstream films produced by Hollywood.

 

[Leydan]

They don't know and don't care to know how to make television for younger audiences.

BBC When they cut BBC 3 (aimed at young adults) to funnel that money into period dramas. good job they brought it back.

 

[rasmuslights]

Like almost everyone? Its fine if you don't care, i guess you don't bother watching the rest of the show after the songs perform and turn it off as the results don't matter at all. Its a song contest and people are here for the competitive edge to see their favourites do well and see who wins, as well as find new songs and artists and enjoy a great night of TV entertainment. Most (if not all) broadcasters are definitely there for the competitive edge.

Also, that is totally your opinion that they were both the best choice. Spain I'll give as most of the singers in Benidormfest last year couldn't carry a tune and she was phenomenal singer, but Portugal 2019 is highly debatable. It wouldn't be the first and it definitely wont be the last time a country would make the 'wrong' choice. Being edgy and different doesn't automatically make something good. Yes it has been rewarded in the past, but as i said there is a line where something becomes too niche. I don't believe eaea would have done any better in another year.

I mean ofc it's great when my fave does well. But this is not the reason why I watch TV. And if I were an artist, I wouldn't apply to eurovision to win but to showcase my music and do the best I can, while staying true to myself.

Both Portuguese and Spanish people are proud of those entries though. I'd say more people like Conan Osiris' song than Mimicat's. With Spain it doesn't matter because Blanca was the 2nd best result since Ruth Lorenzo haha.

 

[I bims]

Well to be completely fair, I do think this is the case with most broadcasters around Europe. Multiple reasons for it:

1. Older people have more time and also there are more of them than younger people.
2. Younger people use streaming services.
3. Younger people don't even watch any TV because of tiktok and lack of attention span.
4. National broadcasters (at least ours in Slovenia) usually offers quality, non-mainstream, mostly European films that aren't necessarily in English, but mostly in French/German/Scandi or any other European language. This usually isn't appealing to younger audiences who mostly like mainstream films produced by Hollywood.

Yeah it's a universal trend, young people are mostly online and older generations still prefer television as their main source of entertainment. And the programming is somewhat similar here as well... with exception of quality. If you watch ARD you won't see quality entertainment. It's still very dumbed down mainstream stuff but simply targeted for old people. "Rote Rosen" isn't what I would call high quality filmmaking.

The quality stuff is found on channels like arte (which is made in cooperation with french public broadcasters) and their target audience tends to be a bit younger as a result. And they are also better respected overall, wonder why that is.

So it's less that young people don't care generally, the programming just isn't good. And most of our public broadcasters are just really arrogant and smug when it comes to younger audiences. They don't care about us, they don't want to know what we want, we're not the target audience and they make us feel it.

 

[LMLandLoreenfan]

Wiwibloggs reaction about our selection really annoys me. Not to enjoy the songs is absolutely acceptable but they don't even listen to Ryks whole song which is just disrespectful towards the artist.