Germany GERMANY 2023 - Lord of the Lost - Blood and Glitter

[ESC United Mod Team]

 

[Rob]

Detailed LOTL televote results

Austria 5th
Finland 6th
Switzerland 7th
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Australia 11th
Romania 11th
Czechia 12th
Latvia 12th
Poland 13th
France 14th
Italy 14th
Spain 14th
Lithuania 15th
Ukraine 15th
United Kingdom 15th
Georgia 16th
Greece 16th
Iceland 16th
Malta 16th
Poland 16th
Armenia 17th
Croatia 17th
Estonia 17th
Israel 17th
Netherlands 17th
Norway 17th
Serbia 17th
Azerbaijan 18th
Cyprus 18th
Slovenia 18th
Ireland 19th
Denmark 20th
Moldova 20th
San Marino 20th
Sweden 20th
Albania 22nd
Belgium 23rd

Do we also know the detailed jury results?

 

[mauve]

ARD will change everything again and come back to boring radio songs like in recent years. Gerling already said that indirectly...We should withdraw.

To withdraw is no solution. You have to find the mistakes and you cannot do that by escaping and running away like a coward. Look at Cyprus. Do yout hink that this was an extraordinary song? It was a boring radio-friendly song, but in the end had a respectable 12th place.
I also have no real concept how Germany could do better in the future, but withdrawing would be stupid and a coward reaction.

 

[Franzilein]

Guildo Horn on ESC failure: Germany should "just take a break" and suggests that the money would be better spent on KiTas or the Tafel (click for the link)

Thomas Gottschalk also says we should withdraw and save the money (but also wishes for Consi as Urban's successor, good man )

 

[SpiritofKeiino]

I haven't been this hurt about an entry flopping in a while. Just so sad about it. Their sad faces in the green room. Especially as a slight risk was taken, Germany went for something a bit unusual that catered for rock fans and it flopped. I really don't know where the broadcaster should go next.

 

[shameless]

What a surprise...we got last again! *pretends to be shocked* Now we're tied with Finland and only two points away from Norway - in having finished last on the GF the most time. I hope NDR will continue this amazing streak so that we at least gonna have that honor!

Man, I didn't even like this song and I'm still disappointed. LOTL seem like such great guys, and I really thought that their sound and style would stand out and get Germany out of the bottom 5. I really worry what this will mean for the future of German songs, will it be another 5 years of blandery? I fear NDR will use this as 'proof' that going outside the box doesn't succeed. What does Germany need to do well? What was it that Michael Schulte had that broke the curse for that one year?

Even in Schultes year the selection was abysmal, he was the one random lucky shot. I said it all since LoTL were chosen that they were the lesser of a lot of evils in what was still a very weak National Final. You can always praise them for being so professional and nice to cover all the other entries. But in the end their song was just OK and we know what you can when you send OK...nada.
Nobody who I have shown that song outside of the ESC Bubble even remotely liked it and thats not because of the Genre. It was just such a non-event like all our representatives from the last decade. We saw that as long as NDR is hosting, this will never stop. They're just average people that will never understand nor do what is needed.

 

[SpiritofKeiino]

Michael Schulte was great

 

[Iker]

I expect 12th place for Germany this year, let's see whether my prediction comes true!

My prediction has aged like milk!

 

[Andromache]

Yeah, withdrawing is not the solution. Germany's problem isn't going to change if they withdraw now and then comeback some years later. The NDR needs to go all out next year, internal selection, spend some money on a good singer/performer and a good song. We need a good result next year. And I'm talking Top 10.

 

[LMLandLoreenfan]

To withdraw is no solution. You have to find the mistakes and you cannot do that by escaping and running away like a coward. Look at Cyprus. Do yout hink that this was an extraordinary song? It was a boring radio-friendly song, but in the end had a respectable 12th place.
I also have no real concept how Germany could do better in the future, but withdrawing would be stupid and a coward reaction.

To withdraw is a good solution if your country always becomes last and your broadcaster has no clue how to find capable acts for Eurovision. Additionally I wouldn't like Germany to send repetitive swedish pop and I think even if we did that, we wouldn't have scored a result as Cyprus did.

 

[shameless]

Stop this withdraw thing. It's part of the game that there needs to be a loser. I prefer that if we're still allowed to play as in sitting it out. Still didn't get over 2020 and when everyone was spoiled of their annual ESC dosis.
I know we say that every year but it's either time to talk Stefan Raab out of retirement or find someone younger with similar visions. Of course thats tough but so many countries stepped up their game lately and it was due to one person or a small team behind (like in CZ, PT, FI, LT). I know their industries are not the same but in the end, the contest is the contest.

 

[LMLandLoreenfan]

Stop this withdraw thing. It's part of the game that there needs to be a loser. I prefer that if we're still allowed to play as in sitting it out. Still didn't get over 2020 and when everyone was spoiled of their annual ESC dosis.
I know we say that every year but it's either time to talk Stefan Raab out of retirement or find someone younger with similar visions. Of course thats tough but so many countries stepped up their game lately and it was due to one person or a small team behind (like in CZ, PT, FI, LT). I know their industries are not the same but in the end, the contest is the contest.

"Someone has to be a loser". Germany has been a loser now for more than 10 years and to me thats more than enough. I'm not going to stop having an opinion by the way. To me, Germany needs a real change which isn't given with our broadcaster and won't be given in the future unless someone else steps into the game and takes over. Germany has been bad with the NDR before Lena and will be bad in the future again and again.

 

[Andromache]

Latvia has also been a loser for years, they don't even qualify to the GF. Same with Georgia. If every country decides to withdraw because they don't do well multiple times we can cancel the contest. There is always going to be a loser. And let's not forget that we also had some good results since 2010. I'm not surprised that our songs don't do well. I wouldn't have voted for our songs if they came from other countries.

 

[Leydan]

Tbh it's a sorry state of affairs when the local fandom buy into the 'lets withdraw' rhetoric that is often peddled by the wider public. It's starts an already scary looking downwards spiral where the broadcaster just stops caring at all - as a UK fan believe me in that. Aside from 2009 it took us nearly 2 decades to get out that mindset. Things can't get much worse for you, but this is the time to be angry at your broadcaster, push for change and not say lets withdraw because when you come back it will be a similar team.

 

[LMLandLoreenfan]

Latvia has also been a loser for years, they don't even qualify to the GF. Same with Georgia. If every country decides to withdraw because they don't do well multiple times we can cancel the contest. There is always going to be a loser. And let's not forget that we also had some good results since 2010. I'm not surprised that our songs don't do well. I wouldn't have voted for our songs if they came from other countries.

There's a huge difference with all the countries you name, since they're not financing the whole contest every year. Why spending that much money for a contest your always becoming dead last ?And yes, you can try again and again. But to me, as I said, it doesn't make any sense to take part anymore since there won't be any change at all for Germany. I'm tired and sad of always being last...

 

[Storm]

The financing argument. As long as you don't host, it's really not that expensive. Helene Fischer probably gets half of the participation fee as salary if she appears on a Florian Silbereisen show.

 

[Franzilein]

Even in Schultes year the selection was abysmal, he was the one random lucky shot. I said it all since LoTL were chosen that they were the lesser of a lot of evils in what was still a very weak National Final. You can always praise them for being so professional and nice to cover all the other entries. But in the end their song was just OK and we know what you can when you send OK...nada.

Gonna sign that. I love that we have musical diversity again, but none of the songs scream "banger" to me. Lord of the Lost had better songs in the past, I think this one is more about the band and the presentation itself rather than the song (which is okay, they will burn down the stage).

^ Was my initial reaction as well. And then there was Patty, who sadly didn't deliver at all in the NF.
I love LOTL, but Blood & Glitter isn't their greatest work. And while I liked their overall performance, I can see why people did not vote for it in the masses. Their last place is depressing, but not surprising.
To see them below UK and Poland (abysmal vocal work, didn't even sing live in some parts) in the jury votes hurts though... (yes, I have a raging hate boner for the juries this year, screw them – our last place is due to them as well )

My overall favourites of this year's applicants didn't even make it to the NF...

EDIT: Also concerning the "withdraw argument", if you read the article I posted, Horn says basically the same as everyone here: Withdraw, then come back a few years later with a fresh delegation and creative team.

 

[LMLandLoreenfan]

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The financing argument. As long as you don't host, it's really not that expensive. Helene Fischer probably gets half of the participation fee as salary if she appears on a Florian Silbereisen show.

Still to expensive to be last all the time.

 

[LMLandLoreenfan]

^ Was my initial reaction as well. And then there was Patty, who sadly didn't deliver at all in the NF.
I love LOTL, but Blood & Glitter isn't their greatest work. And while I liked their overall performance, I can see why people did not vote for it in the masses. Their last place is depressing, but not surprising.
To see them below UK and Poland (abysmal vocal work, didn't even sing live in some parts) in the jury votes hurts though... (yes, I have a raging hate boner for the juries this year, screw them – our last place is due to them as well )

My overall favourites of this year's applicants didn't even make it to the NF...

EDIT: Also concerning the "withdraw argument", if you read the article I posted, Horn says basically the same as everyone here: Withdraw, then come back a few years later with a fresh delegation and creative team.

Patty's song was outdated and that is a massive problem in Germany as well. We need a little bit refreshment. And I agree with everyone that there is need for a change but I'm not seeing it with our broadcaster. Thomas Mohr made a good statement btw...Hope he'll be more involved in the future.

 

[Chorizo]

I’m wondering if Germany not being represented with its national flag at Eurovision is an issue the people commented on in Germany. During the recap, the other contestants are prominently waving their flags or at the very least they have positioned smaller flags somewhere around them, but Germany has nothing and they didn’t even bring a flag to the flag parade. I know Germany might be kind of unique in this regard, but in most countries being the only one not bringing a flag would surely be perceived in a negative way. It looks like the Germans are ashamed of being German and don’t want to fly a flag at a contest where flags are everywhere and contestants are foremost identified with the countries they represent.

 

[SpiritofKeiino]

I don't think Germany should withdraw. It's a country of over 80 million people, surely it can afford participation and plus with such a big population it should be feasible for them to find a decent singer and song?