Germany GERMANY 2014 - Elaiza - Is It Right

[Venage]

I don't like to be picky but RedOne is actually from Morocco, moved to Sweden and started to produce Music and then finally moved to LA where he is now.

I know, but as he's mostly known for his collaboration with Lady Gaga I think it's safe to say that he's a famous producer within the US (music industry).

 

[katapult]

I myself would also like a song in German, or maybe even dialect. It could be refreshing and new. I actually liked LaBrassBanda, even if I couldn't understand a single word besides the title. xD

That said, I would like to see some Plattdeutsch (Lower German), since NDR is the broadcaster it could be possible. Maybe something like this:

Though I stumbled across this as well and it just screamed 'Eurovision' to me (btw best video ever!!)

An entry in Plattdütsch or Frisian sent to Denmark would be quite a nice idea - "Moin, neighbours!"
(Provided, that the song and the whole package is convincing.)

While reading about Helene Fischer, Santiano came into my mind.
(I like this song! : )

In any case it will be all about the best "song" again next year, so ARD/NDR and whoever involved should (and hopefully will) focus on that.
Our NF this year wasn't bad at all, I think; lots of different songs, styles, approaches and voices; I liked that.

 

[A-lister]

I already agreed that she is successful and makes a lot of money. That still doesn't change the fact that her music is unpopular in schools and universities. I don't deny that there are fans of her in schools/universities, but they are a minority. Go to any school or university in Germany and make a poll. I can guarantee you that the majority does not listen to her songs. It's just the reality.

As I want Eurovision to become an event especially for the young people I would prefer to not see any musicians like "Die Priester" in our national final. Catering to all ages and tastes just doesn't work.

Again, ESC shouldn't be an ageist show, sure I agree it should stay up-to-date, but not as you put it "an event especially for young people".

There's alot of stigma in Germany about the schlager genre in general, so that's partly why you won't get alot of young people openly admitting to like it, but I think there are more than you think exist that like it.

The thing with Helene is that she's not just "any Schlager singer", she's massively successful and that has to do with many reasons:

- She is talented (both vocally and performance-wise)
- She got the looks (there's no denying she's a very attractive lady)
- And she's rather young - which makes her appealing to different generations (while Schlager in general, as you say is more appealing to the older generation)
- She has a cross-over ability (her music is actually rather well-produced and cross-generational, unlike much of the other schlager there is).

Add to this that in ESC public like catchy and genuine stuff, and juries likes talents (mostly vocally)... and she's got a combo of that. Add her appealing looks and stage presence and experience... and add her cross-European appeal (she already has a decent fanbase in neighboring Germanic-language countries) plus her background in Russia and knowledge in the Russian language could be used as promoting her for ESC to the ex-USSR part of Europe, sort of like Rybak did back in 2009... you know that Germany will need cross-European votes to succeed right and I think she has the package to attract the most.

In most countries it isn't about representing your country but winning. As long as you win the contest you will be everybody's darling and the press will love you. Shopping around in the US/UK has been successful so we should follow this strategy as it seems to work. Just look at Azerbaijan. Our broadcaster could certainly put some more cash on the table to contract famous US producers like RedOne.

So what? That's because ESC has turned into something it shouldn't have been turning into, and Germany has been one of the countries unfortunately following the pack.

What you practically said now is that in a country of 80 million people, you don't have any local talent worthy of showing up to Europe (and no I don't just mean face and voice - I mean songwriters/composers/producers) ... that's a very odd mindset imo

RedOne is actually Moroccan born that started his career in Sweden... and his sound is already dated btw.

 

[Venage]

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I already said that she is talented and famous, but I doubt it would be the right choice. We could try it but why should she participate in the contest anyway? She's nothing to gain.

Regarding your second statement: Germany has talent, but they mostly cater to the German taste. American/UK songwriters and producers have a worldwide appeal which makes it easier in a contest like Eurovision. Apart from that: I already stated above that I know that RedOne comes from Morocco but is a famous producer in the American music scene due to the collaboration with Lady Gaga.

 

[A-lister]

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I already said that she is talented and famous, but I doubt it would be the right choice. We could try it but why should she participate in the contest anyway? She's nothing to gain.

Well, I didn't say you didn't say that, I just reacted at your ageist comment and also I simply argued for why I think she would be a good choice. But yeah, she probably wouldn't enter anyways ... and knowing the German broadcaster, they wouldn't let her so ...

Regarding your second statement: Germany has talent, but they mostly cater to the German taste. American/UK songwriters and producers have a worldwide appeal which makes it easier in a contest like Eurovision. Apart from that: I already stated above that I know that RedOne comes from Morocco but is a famous producer in the American music scene due to the collaboration with Lady Gaga.

The song should represent Germany, it's as simple as that...

It's a shame that such a huge country has so low self-esteem that it has to rely on works of foreigners

 

[Venage]

The song should represent Germany, it's as simple as that...

It's a shame that such a huge country has so low self-esteem that it has to rely on works of foreigners

Our music industry still has a lot of self-esteem, considering that one of our top politicians in the opposition says something like this:"Germany is vanishing with every day that passes by, and I love it!". Don't ever vote for the Green party, they're evil.

 

[CC92]

^ And yet is the Green party the party that advocated a radio quota for German music. They might support such quota for ESC as well.

 

[A-lister]

Our music industry still has a lot of self-esteem, considering that one of our top politicians in the opposition says something like this:"Germany is vanishing with every day that passes by, and I love it!". Don't ever vote for the Green party, they're evil.

So, use ESC to prove yourself then!

Green Partys' are usually evil extreme oikophobes... here it's the most disgusting party in our parliament (and most of the parties are awful there anyways )

 

[katapult]

Anyone off topic here?

 

[LalehForWD]

So, use ESC to prove yourself then!

Green Partys' are usually evil extreme oikophobes... here it's the most disgusting party in our parliament (and most of the parties are awful there anyways )

haha LOL no it isn't. Everybody knows what the most disgusting party is in the Swedish parliament! Thugs and WTs
In Germany they have the good taste to forbid such atrocity all together. Great decision!

ie Stop politicising the threads!

 

[ShoeFlo]

@katapult
I really would like to see Santiano in ESC
it's special, innovative kind of music, great use of music instruments, and very catchy I think.
They would do well in ESC I guess

But most of the Germans still think that it's better to rely in famous bands with english mainstream music (No angels, Cascada)
So in national final songs like this doesn't have good chances at all. A shame

 

[Venage]

But most of the Germans still think that it's better to rely in famous bands with english mainstream music (No angels, Cascada)
So in national final songs like this doesn't have good chances at all. A shame

Yet unknown German bands with their own songs written in English would be the best way to go. Blitzkids for example were quite good this year.

 

[A-lister]

haha LOL no it isn't. Everybody knows what the most disgusting party is in the Swedish parliament! Thugs and WTs
In Germany they have the good taste to forbid such atrocity all together. Great decision!

ie Stop politicising the threads!

Again, your lack of taste is shown ... If I were you I would be ashamed of myself... but that's another discussion that shouldn't be made in this thread but still...

Oh I just answered to a comment, of course in your blinded world though that means that I started the discussion

Back to Germany though... you had your fun.

And please, you're not a spokesperson for whole Sweden and never will be, so stop with the juvenile "My opinions = everybody's opinion"... you're only a spokesperson for yourself... and thank GOD for that !

 

[CC92]

I stick to the opinion that English songs for Germany in general are inacceptable.

 

[LalehForWD]

I stick to the opinion that English songs for Germany in general are inacceptable.

Great opinion! I would even expand it to say:
It's up to the artists and songwriters to choose what they feel is right. 1mrgreen:

 

[CC92]

Great opinion! I would even expand it to say:
It's up to the artists and songwriters to choose what they feel is right. 1mrgreen:

I stick to the opinion that English songs for Germany in general are inacceptable.

You are very naïve if you really believe this. It is a small circle around Thomas Schreiber which sets the requirements for participation. No one can just knock at the NDR's door and demand their fair chance.

 

[katapult]

"Oh yeah, DJ CC, please play that song again, woooohooo!
Yeah, we just can't get enough of it here, even after the 2000th time played, the song is sooo fresh and hot! [insert rhyme here]
And could you please play the "Jury haters song" next? Thank you so much!" :twisted:

As you can read, L.'s post was about the artists and songwriters' language choice. Nothing else.
You missed the point here. Or you are just obsessed with your own ideas and opinions. Whatever.

 

[CC92]

^ There is no choice for them when they'll be rejected by Thomas Schreiber if they go with the wrong option. The whole thing is about representing a German broadcaster (NDR), so why should the use of the English language be even allowed in the first place? Anglovision? HELL NO!

 

[katapult]

I'm your mocking bird.


(Edit: I don't want 'Anglovision' either, but I'm not at all dogmatic about the language aspect in ESC.)

 

[Kicker]

Actually Eurovision is about representing the German music scene - and the English language is a big part of it, so I dont get the problem here...