Georgia GEORGIA 2019 - Oto Nemsadze - Keep On Going
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Re: GEORGIA 2019 - Oto Nemsadze - Sul Tsin Iare
How anyone can feel offended by flags is beyond me, people are way too snowflakey these days. Also, maybe it's just my prejudice, but I expect more from Eurovision fans to actually be more informed. Georgia is a small country that has been struggling for their survival for centuries and is currently partly occupied, patriotism doesn't always equal something bad. To be proud and showcase your country doesn't equal that you hate others, let's not hand it over to nazis, racists and extreme chauvinists to define patriotism, it is far more diverse concept than those extremist cases.
Also, I am surprised again by Eurovision fans out of all people to push the idea that all should be in English. I mean I'm stressing this every year, but should Eurovision really be about just listening to what we are used to? I thought it should be an exchange between European countries and cultures and to open our senses and awareness, not close us further. Instead we should applaud the Georgian broadcaster to go against the norm and actually want to showcase their language to the rest of us. I mean if people want to know the meaning of the lyrics they can easily find translations online and they could easily use subtitles in a smart way on the live show as well similar to what was done in the past for instance by Italy 2018, or we could just enjoy that we get to hear something different for a change. C'mon guys, it's EUROvision!, let's celebrate our differences instead of aiming for the same, for homogeneity and the monotone, let's learn from each other, let's widen our perspectives.
How anyone can feel offended by flags is beyond me, people are way too snowflakey these days. Also, maybe it's just my prejudice, but I expect more from Eurovision fans to actually be more informed. Georgia is a small country that has been struggling for their survival for centuries and is currently partly occupied, patriotism doesn't always equal something bad. To be proud and showcase your country doesn't equal that you hate others, let's not hand it over to nazis, racists and extreme chauvinists to define patriotism, it is far more diverse concept than those extremist cases.
Also, I am surprised again by Eurovision fans out of all people to push the idea that all should be in English. I mean I'm stressing this every year, but should Eurovision really be about just listening to what we are used to? I thought it should be an exchange between European countries and cultures and to open our senses and awareness, not close us further. Instead we should applaud the Georgian broadcaster to go against the norm and actually want to showcase their language to the rest of us. I mean if people want to know the meaning of the lyrics they can easily find translations online and they could easily use subtitles in a smart way on the live show as well similar to what was done in the past for instance by Italy 2018, or we could just enjoy that we get to hear something different for a change. C'mon guys, it's EUROvision!, let's celebrate our differences instead of aiming for the same, for homogeneity and the monotone, let's learn from each other, let's widen our perspectives.
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Im not offended by flags but i think that it is a tragic way to stage a song. However my biggest problem is not that but the song itself that sound terrible to me and as Realest says even in english it would make no differemce at all!
Im not offended by flags but i think that it is a tragic way to stage a song. However my biggest problem is not that but the song itself that sound terrible to me and as Realest says even in english it would make no differemce at all!
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Fair opinions, but scrolling the past pages I see comments like "oh awful nationalism" and "they should change to English"... now those opinions I honestly don't get in a Eurovision context but if someone just dislike the entry and the presentation then that's completely fine of course.
Fair opinions, but scrolling the past pages I see comments like "oh awful nationalism" and "they should change to English"... now those opinions I honestly don't get in a Eurovision context but if someone just dislike the entry and the presentation then that's completely fine of course.
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I haven't been following Eurovision for long, only since Salvador Sobral's win two years ago. So I might have some wrong ideas. But how can people comment unfavourably against songs that aren't in English is just beyond me.
Do you know what I enjoy the most about entire contest? Not the hype, not the polls, not the discussion, not creating my personal top 10 (though I enjoy all of these very much), but its international dimension. The funny feeling I get when I try to follow for many long hours 4 webstreams at the same time (because what better can any sane person do on a Saturday evening), in languages where I can only guess the meaning. The joy when I recognise some words as similar. The joy of a nice unknown. The surprise I have when I search for my favourite song's lyrics and the song suddenly goes from 8 to 12.
I also think that this dimension is the (most important) point of Eurovision. I like English for its practicality and universal reach, but do some of you guys really want to listen to everything "normalized" in just one language? Do you want all your music to consist from just one note, all your cars to be only black Ford model T, your meals to consist just of lembas?
Ouch, this post has got a bit too long and over the top. I just to meant to say that if you want all songs in English, then I really don't get why even bother following Eurovision.
I haven't been following Eurovision for long, only since Salvador Sobral's win two years ago. So I might have some wrong ideas. But how can people comment unfavourably against songs that aren't in English is just beyond me.
Do you know what I enjoy the most about entire contest? Not the hype, not the polls, not the discussion, not creating my personal top 10 (though I enjoy all of these very much), but its international dimension. The funny feeling I get when I try to follow for many long hours 4 webstreams at the same time (because what better can any sane person do on a Saturday evening), in languages where I can only guess the meaning. The joy when I recognise some words as similar. The joy of a nice unknown. The surprise I have when I search for my favourite song's lyrics and the song suddenly goes from 8 to 12.
I also think that this dimension is the (most important) point of Eurovision. I like English for its practicality and universal reach, but do some of you guys really want to listen to everything "normalized" in just one language? Do you want all your music to consist from just one note, all your cars to be only black Ford model T, your meals to consist just of lembas?
Ouch, this post has got a bit too long and over the top. I just to meant to say that if you want all songs in English, then I really don't get why even bother following Eurovision.
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You have correct ideas actually and most people among Eurovision fans love mother tonques. But not everybody! There are a few people out there that prefer english like me but the majority wants more mother tonques. However its interesting to mention that last year many countries with mother tonque songs had bad results!
You have correct ideas actually and most people among Eurovision fans love mother tonques. But not everybody! There are a few people out there that prefer english like me but the majority wants more mother tonques. However its interesting to mention that last year many countries with mother tonque songs had bad results!
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Georgian language cant replace the horrible Composition. I rather have good english songs by swedish songwriters like 2010 than a bad song in native tongue.
I mean Iceland is a huge Fanfavourite, so Georgias Problem must be something else than the Language.
Georgian language cant replace the horrible Composition. I rather have good english songs by swedish songwriters like 2010 than a bad song in native tongue.
I mean Iceland is a huge Fanfavourite, so Georgias Problem must be something else than the Language.
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Yes, but 2 have also reached top 10, 5 others have qualified, and only 4 haven't. That's can't be interpreted as "song not in English means bad results", thats just normal statistical dispersion!
Yes, but 2 have also reached top 10, 5 others have qualified, and only 4 haven't. That's can't be interpreted as "song not in English means bad results", thats just normal statistical dispersion!
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I was of course speaking in general and not in direct relation to this year's Georgia entry I haven't made up my mind about that one yet.
I was of course speaking in general and not in direct relation to this year's Georgia entry
I haven't made up my mind about that one yet.
Re: GEORGIA 2019 - Oto Nemsadze - Sul Tsin Iare
I never said that ''song not english means bad results''! I said that last year most of mother tonque entries didn't have a good result which means that sending a song on mother tongue doesn't mean automatically that it will have a good result too.
Yes, but 2 have also reached top 10, 5 others have qualified, and only 4 haven't. That's can't be interpreted as "song not in English means bad results", thats just normal statistical dispersion!
I never said that ''song not english means bad results''! I said that last year most of mother tonque entries didn't have a good result which means that sending a song on mother tongue doesn't mean automatically that it will have a good result too.
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Language is just that. A language. I think Azerbaijan is way overdue for a song in azeri.
At the same time Portugal for example needs to spice things up with some english every once in a while.
Language is just that. A language. I think Azerbaijan is way overdue for a song in azeri.
At the same time Portugal for example needs to spice things up with some english every once in a while.
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It really depends on what you consider "to have a bad result". For me, that's missing the finals (edit: or placing in the bottom half for the automatic qualifiers). However 6/10 non English songs have qualified, so the 4/10 non-qualifiers are not a majority. You must add Italy, France, Portugal and Spain to this in the final, once again 2 made top half, two bottom half. Judging solely on last year, there is little relation between song's language and its success, so there's no point in pointing out some of the non English songs struggles.
It really depends on what you consider "to have a bad result". For me, that's missing the finals (edit: or placing in the bottom half for the automatic qualifiers). However 6/10 non English songs have qualified, so the 4/10 non-qualifiers are not a majority. You must add Italy, France, Portugal and Spain to this in the final, once again 2 made top half, two bottom half. Judging solely on last year, there is little relation between song's language and its success, so there's no point in pointing out some of the non English songs struggles.
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I said that a song that is on mother tongue doesn't mean that will have a good result and i mentioned last year that most mother tongue songs* didn't have a good result! Now qualifying and getting something like 20th place is not what i call a good result but anyay maybe im wrong.
Estonia last was in the top 10 with a non-english but the song was not in their mother tonque so they are a different case in some way!
It really depends on what you consider "to have a bad result". For me, that's missing the finals (edit: or placing in the bottom half for the automatic qualifiers). However 6/10 non English songs have qualified, so the 4/10 non-qualifiers are not a majority. You must add Italy, France, Portugal and Spain to this in the final, once again 2 made top half, two bottom half. Judging solely on last year, there is little relation between song's language and its success, so there's no point in pointing out some of the non English songs struggles.
I said that a song that is on mother tongue doesn't mean that will have a good result and i mentioned last year that most mother tongue songs* didn't have a good result! Now qualifying and getting something like 20th place is not what i call a good result but anyay maybe im wrong.
Estonia last was in the top 10 with a non-english but the song was not in their mother tonque so they are a different case in some way!
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Actually, this is what you originally said: "However its interesting to mention that last year many countries with mother tonque songs had bad results!"
I also don't argue that non English means good result. I just argue that there are no impliciations based on the last year's dataset, because statistically speaking, you have about the same frequency of non English in all categories [1-10], [11-21], [22-32], [33-43]. That's why I disagree with "However its interesting to mention that last year many countries with mother tonque songs had bad results!" because it statistically unsurprising (and also not true in my opinion, as they weren't that many).
As for Estonia, I don't see any reason why to make a different case of it, the question for me really is English / non English. However the statistics would remain pretty much unchanged anyway even with your "mother tongues".
Actually, this is what you originally said: "However its interesting to mention that last year many countries with mother tonque songs had bad results!"
I also don't argue that non English means good result. I just argue that there are no impliciations based on the last year's dataset, because statistically speaking, you have about the same frequency of non English in all categories [1-10], [11-21], [22-32], [33-43]. That's why I disagree with "However its interesting to mention that last year many countries with mother tonque songs had bad results!" because it statistically unsurprising (and also not true in my opinion, as they weren't that many).
As for Estonia, I don't see any reason why to make a different case of it, the question for me really is English / non English. However the statistics would remain pretty much unchanged anyway even with your "mother tongues".
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I guess you are propably right but i mentined that in the first post because i wanted to explain that the fact that fans appreciate mother languages doesn't mean that the result will be good too.
I guess you are propably right but i mentined that in the first post because i wanted to explain that the fact that fans appreciate mother languages doesn't mean that the result will be good too.
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Re: GEORGIA 2019 - Oto Nemsadze - Sul Tsin Iare
I guess it's worth a mention that "barbed wire" and basically "singing and marching together" are phrases that appear multiple times throughout the song. The EBU isn't gonna do anything about this but Sul Tsin Iare is a political song about Abkhazia and South Ossetia, the staging pretty much gives away that it's very patriotic (sugarcoated) and my friend from Georgia confirmed it too. Apparently there's even a word im Abkhaz featured in the lyrics. I do understand that this is an important topic for Georgian people, they've been through a lot, but Eurovision shouldn't be a platform for countries to resolve their political conflicts. Maybe I'm just still salty that Liza didn't win but a song referencing and glorifying war should have no place in this contest.
I guess it's worth a mention that "barbed wire" and basically "singing and marching together" are phrases that appear multiple times throughout the song. The EBU isn't gonna do anything about this but Sul Tsin Iare is a political song about Abkhazia and South Ossetia, the staging pretty much gives away that it's very patriotic (sugarcoated) and my friend from Georgia confirmed it too. Apparently there's even a word im Abkhaz featured in the lyrics. I do understand that this is an important topic for Georgian people, they've been through a lot, but Eurovision shouldn't be a platform for countries to resolve their political conflicts. Maybe I'm just still salty that Liza didn't win but a song referencing and glorifying war should have no place in this contest.
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Re: GEORGIA 2019 - Oto Nemsadze - Sul Tsin Iare
Meanwhile, here's Oto with a pineapple.
Meanwhile, here's Oto with a pineapple.