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France FRANCE 2019 - Bilal Hassani - Roi

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Mrm

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If this wins, I'm done with this festival.. :?
 

Franzilein

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Not sure if the staging is pure cringe or adorable. Probably both. Guilty pleasure anyway.
 

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nope, can't believe that it was THAT weak. see, :no: ended up 15th and :se: way higher. Why was there such a huge gap between both entries??

Or maybe a sign that the semifinal results total and placing is a bit more different now with this new system and it´s more about "surviving" the semi. But back on topic. I don´t think neither we or :fr: are "hoaxes" (that being said by a person who isn´t that keen on Roi)
 

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The staging is so stereotypical, but bookies are falling for it.. Should I laugh or should I be worried? xthink
 

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If this wins, I'm done with this festival.. :?

It won't, relax... the song is super forgettable and bland...

I also don't think all Europe is so happy about this gender stuff, some western juries will put this higher for political reasons but I don't see this doing too well in general. Again the odds are super odd to me, this year's "Ireland 2018" as someone pointed out...
 

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It won't, relax... the song is super forgettable and bland...

I also don't think all Europe is so happy about this gender stuff, some western juries will put this higher for political reasons but I don't see this doing too well in general. Again the odds are super odd to me, this year's "Ireland 2018" as someone pointed out...

The major difference between :ie: and :fr: is that Ireland began to rise during the Eurovision week, while France does so after two rehearsals. That must mean something.
 

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The major difference between :ie: and :fr: is that Ireland began to rise during the Eurovision week, while France does so after two rehearsals. That must mean something.

Don´t forget even one more thing, :ie: climbed the odds after the running order for the final was announced, before that, :ie: was barely noticed on the odds at all
 

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I mostly agree with y'all. As a French viewer, I can't believe that we picked out Bilal over Seemone with an emotional and stirring entry. However, I must admit something: the staging really works its magic here.

That's why France may surely end up in the top 5 (top 10 at the very least). The message is perfectly conveyed in the same way as :de: did last year.
 

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Oh, ffs, can people just finally let go of this bullshit? What "credibility" are you talking about? The ESC by nature is a reality competition program where the best gimmicks win, because that's how you win a popularity contest in a TV show. That's all there is to it and France is doing everything right in order to win the contest while almost everybody else is flopping with the staging and the camera work.

Except they are missing the song part. That is still the most important thing.
 

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Oh, ffs, can people just finally let go of this bullshit? What "credibility" are you talking about? The ESC by nature is a reality competition program where the best gimmicks win, because that's how you win a popularity contest in a TV show. That's all there is to it and France is doing everything right in order to win the contest while almost everybody else is flopping with the staging and the camera work.

Wow, nice to see you have so much "trust" and "respect" for the contest... maybe a fan forum isn't for you?

If that's all you think of ESC, that songs don't matter at all and it's all just gimmicks and "reality show", why even bother? xshrug

It's one thing to criticize aspects of the show, but consider it to be one big joke and then spend time on a fan forum dedicated to she show is quite peculiar...
 

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*sigh*

The old misconception that Eurovision is merely a "song contest", when it's so much more than that.

Eurovision is a performance contest. It's not like song is unimportant, but performance trumps song always. A L W A Y S. NO EXCEPTIONS!!! A good performance can elevate ANY mediocre song and a bad performance can destroy any great one. There are infinite examples from past contests, if you don't understand this now, after years of analyzing ESC on the internet and elsewhere, then it's better to keep quiet and stop your ignorance from infecting whoever reads this board in search for answers. xsnooty

Composition, act, melody, staging, camerawork, marketing, originality, charisma, vocals, message are all contributing factors indivdually, but it is during the live performance when they all come together. It's that package people vote for, and Roi's package is excellent.

Now, it doesn't mean you have to like "Roi" just because its live performance is good. We all have different taste and standards, and this year offers many options. I personally like the French staging, but I don't love it. It gets its message across very effectively, but in a somewhat aggressive manner and I don't like being frogmarched into a position where I ~MUST~ like something for one reason or another. I like the acts I like because I want to like them, not because I'm expected to like them because they are parroted as "quality" by the sheeple or presented into some socially desirable framework. Don't presume you can take the agency of thinking and decision-making away from us. Do not presume our affection is for sale to the highest bidder. Screw you. xsnooty
 

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This is terrible for a winner. It not only doesn't do a single thing to me, I also think he's completely charmless on stage , sorry :fr::? I have never thought this could be labelled as a potential song to win the whole thing! xshock :shock:

Thinking that the last song I loved from :fr: was 2001 makes me think... :lol:
 

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I hope tomorrow after the SF we will get 3 minute versions of the BIG 5 rehearsals like last year. I got so emotional watching the 30 seconds clip, I wanna see more! I usually didn't care about those vids but some of the big 5 are really strong this year.
 

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*sigh*

The old misconception that Eurovision is merely a "song contest", when it's so much more than that.

Eurovision is a performance contest. It's not like song is unimportant, but performance trumps song always. A L W A Y S. NO EXCEPTIONS!!! A good performance can elevate ANY mediocre song and a bad performance can destroy any great one. There are infinite examples from past contests, if you don't understand this now, after years of analyzing ESC on the internet and elsewhere, then it's better to keep quiet and stop your ignorance from infecting whoever reads this board in search for answers. xsnooty

Composition, act, melody, staging, camerawork, marketing, originality, charisma, vocals, message are all contributing factors indivdually, but it is during the live performance when they all come together. It's that package people vote for, and Roi's package is excellent.

Now, it doesn't mean you have to like "Roi" just because its live performance is good. We all have different taste and standards, and this year offers many options. I personally like the French staging, but I don't love it. It gets its message across very effectively, but in a somewhat aggressive manner and I don't like being frogmarched into a position where I ~MUST~ like something for one reason or another. I like the acts I like because I want to like them, not because I'm expected to like them because they are parroted as "quality" by the sheeple or presented into some socially desirable framework. Don't presume you can take the agency of thinking and decision-making away from us. Do not presume our affection is for sale to the highest bidder. Screw you. xsnooty

Can you name me some examples when a potential winning song got ruined by the staging (and not the singing) in the past years?
Anything but Italy 2017 please, because although being a great song in studio version I also think it was not as strong as the fandom made it look like :)
 

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Can you name me some examples when a potential winning song got ruined by the staging (and not the singing) in the past years?
Anything but Italy 2017 please, because although being a great song in studio version I also think it was not as strong as the fandom made it look like :)
France 2016, France 2018, Belgium 2017, Russia 2015, ..
 

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City lights wasn't ruined by the staging (a of all, I thought the staging was really good and b of all, it was never winning anyway). Everyone had Italy or Portugal as winners.

I'm not refering to winners though. Most preshow winner contenders have the sense of maximizing their staging potential, though I think Duncan Lawrence is heading down the Gabbani trajectory of not winning despite being a favourite, not because he disappoints but because the fan community sucks at reading what the casuals like. The most glaring examples of "Good Songs, Horrible Staging" simply stay in the semifinal. Israel 2014, Estonia 2016 and Belgium 2018 are very clear examples of excellent, potentially WINNING songs that were ruined by an utter lack of vision by the suprevising delegation and stage directors.

Having said that, the Eleni Foureira "supposedly mediocre song nobody in the fan community cares about that suddenly delivers really good rehearsals and shoots up as a favourite last second when people realize it actually has merit" type of entry usually finished second place, not first. Literally every runner-up from 2013 to the present day fits that description, but only one of the winners does (Rise like a phoenix). I don't think that means Bilal will be this year's second place (though I want him to be, because, you know, bragging rights); I think Lundvik fits the same paradigm and moreso than Bilal and he's my current choice for Runner Up. But looking at the past, I'd say the critical acclaim Bilal has received bodes well for France's chances and should result in one of their best results since the start of their Renaissance, if not the best.
 

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I have no problem if France wins. The song is not that good but the staging is great and right now there worse contenders for the win.
 
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