FIFA World Cup 2022
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By the way now that Germany is out ... is that also a bad omen for Germany ESC 2023?
The last time Germany got eliminated at that stage in a world cup, Germany received 0 points in the televoting
So who knows....
Maybe NDR will find a new friend for James Newman?
Oh sorry, didn't see your post!I already wrote that.
Neuer is sadly also way past his peak.
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The last time Germany got eliminated at that stage in a world cup, Germany received 0 points in the combined vote
So who knows....
When??
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Stop making me feel old I somehow thought of 2015 and skipped a "tiny span of" 4 years or so
It´s time to go to bed now
I edited my previous post.. Germany still scored a big fat 0 in the televoting, though (and 2nd to last place in the combined vote https://escxtra.com/2019/05/19/eurovision-2019s-grand-final-under-the-old-system/ )
I somehow thought of 2015 and skipped a "tiny span of" 4 years or so It´s time to go to bed now
I edited my previous post.. Germany still scored a big fat 0 in the televoting, though
(and 2nd to last place in the combined vote https://escxtra.com/2019/05/19/eurovision-2019s-grand-final-under-the-old-system/ )
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Even if I should be happy (because Germany stands still with 4 World Cup wins like Italy), in my opinion, Germany has been robbed. In the action of the second Japanese goal the ball had gone out of bounds. However, the real fault lies with Germany itself which underestimated Japan. The 2-1 defeat was a harbinger of elimination.
Anyway, congratulations to Japan. Now we can all shout together:
!!!BANZAI!!!!
Japan's knockout challenge is ironic. The Japanese are not facing a team that has the value of a runners-up. The same goes for Morocco which should have an advantage for having won the group but it won't be like this: they will face Spain!
I hope that tomorrow there will be matches as beautiful and unpredictable as tonight
Anyway, congratulations to Japan. Now we can all shout together:
!!!BANZAI!!!! Japan's knockout challenge is ironic. The Japanese are not facing a team that has the value of a runners-up. The same goes for Morocco which should have an advantage for having won the group but it won't be like this: they will face Spain!
I hope that tomorrow there will be matches as beautiful and unpredictable as tonight
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I don't trust FIFA. I thought things might change with Sepp Blatter gone, but Infantino has made some strange comments about Qatar hosting this world cup. No doubt FIFA were angry with Germany when they did their protest with their hands over their mouths.
I saw the scene a few times and the ball was DEFINITELY out. But I don't cry about it as Germany simply gave away too many chances in all three games. Well, I am sad on the one hand, but on the other hand am really happy to see Japan survive the group.
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I can't help but feel that spain also tried to lose on purpose, since this would have meant that germany was out. Not only that, they now have to fight morocco instead of croatia, which could have been an incentive for them to come second. It would have been hilarious if germany also gave up and took spain out with them. Then we would have Japan and Costa rica qualifying and Spain, who is a favourite, not passing this round.
Exactly the thought I had!
I hope that Morocco will win against Spain! Nothing is impossible. 
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I drew in a red line on the part of the ball that is closest to the line and it actually seems it is still on a vertical plane with the goal line.. not sure if this was understandable English but I think you can see what I mean. Another Wembley 1966 kind of story we fell a victim to but in this case it seems like the decision is alright...
About our performance yesterday... first 15 minutes and last 20 minutes were good, everything in between was a devastating embarassment. Most Costa Rica players are probably on a level with 3rd division players in Germany but we gave them more and more spaces and made them look like a proper Europa League team. I could fill one or two pages of a book with matches in which we gave away 1-0 leads in the last four years.. this is a disease of the current German generation. This team lacks mental strength and the willingness to fight until it hurts... they proved they can have this willingness when they played Spain.. that was a fantastic fight but against minor sides they seem to believe they can finish them off with 70% of energy.. what the heck were they even doing after the 1-0 lead? Why didn't they keep up the pressure to the clear up this win early? The unforced errors and misunderstandings in the attack and the sloppy mistakes in the defense pissed me off and in addition to all this Neuer is definitely past his prime... he looked bad in at least 3 of the 5 goals we conceded in Qatar. Flick should consider Ter Stegen in the future.
As a Werder Bremen fan I am very happy about the performance of Füllkrug in Qatar. Many people here agree he should have played from the beginning instead of Müller who was bad once again (btw, he will probably retire from the national team). But it seems like Flick has favorite players who always play regardless of how bad they perform. Füllkrug also had a bad miss yesterday but this was also due to an amazing reaction of Keylor Navas. Füllkrug still scored once and gave one assist for Havertz. So he once again got his job done. Hope he will still be part of the national team on our way to the Euro 2024. This would actually be the only motivation for me to keep track on the German matches. In general, I lost my hope for this generation and I think I will rather focus on other national teams on the future.
Also, I am very disappointed especially since I believe Spain did not do their best.. some people who watched this match said they didnt look like they seriously tried to turn this match around apart from those 3 minutes they were actually out
and I really saw this coming... I felt like they would be happy to send Germany at home. Shame. But am I mad? No, not really because this enabled a historical success for the Japanese football ... first time they beat giants in a World Cup (well, let's call Germany a "on-paper giant") and even did so twice... stunning! My heart was melting when the ref blew the final whistle and all the staff and bench players were running on the pitch. Now this is the second time in the row they advanced from group stage and I think they will also give Croatia a hard time. Now we've got two AFC teams in the Round of 16, plus two AFC teams who won group stage matches... this is already a terrific success for the confederation. From Africa there are two teams in the R16 and another one can follow. Three African teams in the R16 would be a novelty. Fantastic story!
Congratulations to for passing the group stage once again. It may not have looked pretty but it brought the result that was needed. has disappointed me quite a bit, and sadly, I think this is the end for this generation. Morroco, on the other hand, is one of the biggest surprises of the World Cup, though for me personally, this result isn't such a surprise, because I already knew how good this team is. And now they've reached their peak. So happy for them.
As for the last two matches and the drama we saw.........I am thrilled to see Japan through but I think some calculations happened on the match between Spain and Japan. I think Spain wanted to avoid Brazil and that is why we had a result like this. I personally don't like to see these things happening. Spain is a great team, they play football that I really like and appreciate and there is no need to lose on purpose in order to choose and/or avoid certain opponents. But I'm pretty sure this was pure calculation.
As for Germany , I am very sorry Now if it happens that we get knocked out today as well, I won't have any team that I traditionally support left (there is Spain though, but yesterday's match leaves a bitter taste). But will get better and Germany will come back stronger, I'm sure.
for passing the group stage once again. It may not have looked pretty but it brought the result that was needed. has disappointed me quite a bit, and sadly, I think this is the end for this generation. Morroco, on the other hand, is one of the biggest surprises of the World Cup, though for me personally, this result isn't such a surprise, because I already knew how good this team is. And now they've reached their peak. So happy for them.As for the last two matches and the drama we saw.........I am thrilled to see Japan through but I think some calculations happened on the match between Spain and Japan. I think Spain wanted to avoid Brazil and that is why we had a result like this. I personally don't like to see these things happening. Spain is a great team, they play football that I really like and appreciate and there is no need to lose on purpose in order to choose and/or avoid certain opponents. But I'm pretty sure this was pure calculation.
As for Germany , I am very sorry
Now if it happens that we get knocked out today as well, I won't have any team that I traditionally support left (there is Spain though, but yesterday's match leaves a bitter taste). But will get better and Germany will come back stronger, I'm sure.
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There is always karma in the end
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I do not agree. Spain could not make calculations. Indeed, for a moment Spain was virtually eliminated at the expense of Costa Rica who were winning against Germany. Tiki Taka has always proved to be dangerous and difficult but, as happened with the innovations of Napoleon Bonaparte, the opposing teams have understood how to fight against the Spanish method: defensive solidity, tactical fouls that break the game, pressing, exploitation of dead balls, exploitation of the few opportunities granted and counter-attacks (basically, the one that made Italy win 4 World Cups, which destroyed Futbol Bailado, Europizing Brazil in football terms and which entered the football schemes by right and will never leave it). Thus the Tiki Taka becomes sterile. Morata and Ferran Torres are excellent attacking players but Spain lacks a real striker, a real number 9 (and perhaps the cause is determined by their own style of play). In fact, Tiki Taka, the Latin evolution of Michels and Crujff's Total Football (the latter started the Spanish football revolution in Barcelona), makes all players useful for the method of play. However, making all the players versatile destroys the specific identity of the role therefore we will have a versatile striker who knows how to defend and possess the ball but who cannot be incisive like a purebred striker or defenders and midfielders capable of scoring goals in clusters but that if they are put under pressure they collapse or even a goalkeeper like Unai Simon who is good but who, at times, gives some blunder that could be lethal and in any case his being good at dribbling limits the other qualities that a goalkeeper should have. Going back to yesterday's game, towards the end, when the Spaniards knew Germany were winning, they slowed down.The Chinese national team would also have made these calculations. Why get injured and lose precious energy to grab a draw or a useless victory? At the World Cup you don't have to wait for anyone's gifts. You are the master of your destiny. Germany didn't deserve to go through due to its presumption against Japan (considered inferior) and its vulnerabilities (demonstrated against Costa Rica). I am critical of Germany because I always expect a lot from them (compared to us Italians who are moody, they have always made continuity of results their strength). If, on the other hand, I had to evaluate the rightness of their elimination, it was not right. The Japanese goal ball was completely out of bounds. Many may say that Germany played badly but it is by passing through these small events that the history of a football world cup changes. There have been times, such as Italy in '82, where national teams played terribly in the group stage and then were unstoppable in the knockout matches. Just the word "championship" makes it clear that the competition is made up of acts and that the following act can be completely different from the previous one. Thus Germany could have invigorated itself in the next phase and be a tough opponent for anyone. In this world championship there are many shadows (among which I didn't like the fake penalty kick given to Messi and that I prayed he missed - even if I support Argentina).
I hope Croatia beat Japan and Spain beat Morocco in the next round. I hope England win (because they can be a tougher opponent than Senegal in the quarter-finals) and the Netherlands, Argentina and Poland also win.
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I completely agree that the calculations made my Spain were justified and well thought out. Germany deserved to go out, they were by far not in their top form. Let us not about our national team, they are just another level of embarrassment and corruption. Recently, two of our football associate members got sentenced to 12 years of jail, as a huge corruption scandal came out. They took a lot of money from bribes in international competitions, which greatly handicapped our national team. I have hope for our team with a lot of corrupt trainers and members who took bribes being sentenced.
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Corruption… here in Italy they have arrested the chief prosecutor of the AIA (Italian Association of Referees) for drug trafficking and Juventus are experiencing a storm due to inflated capital gains. Football is now rotten everywhere. After the purchase of Neymar for 220 million from PSG everything seems doomed to ruin. I hope for a football system similar to the NBA where there are better rules (especially the salary cap).
re: the VAR decision on Japan's second goal
You have to look from above and not from a vertical perspective.
In theory, the ball doesn't have to physically touch the line. It can be out from the bottom part but as long as the central part of the ball is in (when looked from above), the ball is considered in.
I hope I could explain with my flop English.
One guy on twitter explains this with another case from 2019, exactly same situation.
I guess the case is closed for good.
You have to look from above and not from a vertical perspective.
In theory, the ball doesn't have to physically touch the line. It can be out from the bottom part but as long as the central part of the ball is in (when looked from above), the ball is considered in.
I hope I could explain with my flop English.
One guy on twitter explains this with another case from 2019, exactly same situation.
I guess the case is closed for good.