EUROVISION 2020 - General Discussion Thread

[escYOUnited]

Please post any and all discussions regarding the contest itself, host country and city, organisation, rumours and other topics not related to any specific country's selection process.

 

[crashworld]

As I mentioned in the Finnish entry's thread:

It's a 50/50 jury/public vote decision, but there are only 8 juries. I don't think it's that fair to have 8 "foreign" people to have 50% say on Finland's entry. I still think it should be a 50% televote, 30% local juries consist at least 5 people, 10% online votes from ESC fans of other countries; 10% international jury. That would have at least balance things out.

 

[Realest]

As I mentioned in the Finnish entry's thread:

It's a 50/50 jury/public vote decision, but there are only 8 juries. I don't think it's that fair to have 8 "foreign" people to have 50% say on Finland's entry. I still think it should be a 50% televote, 30% local juries consist at least 5 people, 10% online votes from ESC fans of other countries; 10% international jury. That would have at least balance things out.

I think it has been 35 People who got 50% to say.

 

[crashworld]

I think it has been 35 People who got 50% to say.

Are you talking about the Finnish NF? So they have 35 juries from the 8 countries?
Because I feel for NF, it should still very much be the locals giving more rights to decide to their own entry.

 

[Realest]

Are you talking about the Finnish NF? So they have 35 juries from the 8 countries?
Because I feel for NF, it should still very much be the locals giving more rights to decide to their own entry.

I read somewhere that each Jury consisted of 4-6 People apparently.

 

[crashworld]

I read somewhere that each Jury consisted of 4-6 People apparently.

Interesting. But still, 35 people having 50% of the say is still too much. Plus, as one forum member has said, it could be possible that these juries are putting the threats to their own countries' entries behind so that we got a not-so-great winner.

 

[Realest]

Interesting. But still, 35 people having 50% of the say is still too much. Plus, as one forum member has said, it could be possible that these juries are putting the threats to their own countries' entries behind so that we got a not-so-great winner.

32 Jurymembers (not 35) is pretty much.
Moldova had 9
Ukraine 3
Serbia 5 etc..
Juries will always be in the Minority obviously.
Also I dont believe that Juries in NFs try to sabotage their Opponents, since most of them arent even evolved in their Countries Participation this Year.

 

[Daybreak]

Interesting. But still, 35 people having 50% of the say is still too much. Plus, as one forum member has said, it could be possible that these juries are putting the threats to their own countries' entries behind so that we got a not-so-great winner.

Well, the point of a jury, at least ideally and very much dependant on who exactly is selected to be in it, is professional evaluation of the songs, so the number or jurors is only somewhat important. They should definitely be more than just a couple of people but having hundreds of big names from a given country's music industry in an Eurovision or NF jury (especially in smaller countries) is simply not realistic.

 

[crashworld]

Juries will always be in the Minority obviously.
Also I dont believe that Juries in NFs try to sabotage their Opponents, since most of them arent even evolved in their Countries Participation this Year.

I do understand juries are going to be a minority. It's just a theory though, may hold some truth in it. While these juries may not been involved in their countries' participants, but it could be the sub-conscious mind of supporting your own country first. I am not saying we should do away with juries, but their voting power should be scaled down especially for a NF.

 

[LastDreamer]

My least favourite contest ever was confirmed.
I'm pessimist and don't believe in good/interesting performances for Ireland and Moldova.
So for me Eurovision 2020 is over. See you later in Valletta 2021.

 

[A-lister]

I blame Duncan for this. He has set the trend of sending ballads. Imagine if Norway won last year, this year's Eurovision would've looked something like the 2008 one

I blame the juries for promoting only safe dated Pop in English and "belting" ballads... the fact that we have so much of this in ESC these days correlates with the juries brought back to the contest, it's not a coincidence if you ask me, broadcasters fear the juries more than they fear the televoters because juries have de facto more power in their hands and can even to some extent manipulate the results, hence broadcasters pick entries not based on what their people want or best reflect their countries, but rather what they think ESC jurors will go for.

I mean most of us here might not be old enough to remember ESC in the 1980's for instance, but if you go back to the years where juries had even more control, it was overflowed with conventional ballads while often the more interesting entries with some ethnic touch for instance flopped, and ESC back then was always like one big cheesefest decades behind actual music trends and laughed at by the general public for it's tragic dated music, and juries seem to not have changed much in their mentality sense. Look at all those bland Irish ballads that won year after year in the 90's, back then we had the language rule, yet even with lots of more languages represented, juries still clearly were biased in favor of the few English language entries, and again we are back with that mentality too.

Bottom-line is, people asked for the juries, but then shouldn't get surprised Eurovision is turning into one big bland Anglofest.

 

[LastDreamer]

@A-lister my opinion is 100 % opposite to yours.

 

[A-lister]

@A-lister my opinion is 100 % opposite to yours.

What an interesting opinion

Well, fact is juries prefer that type of music, now that's not an opinion really, but whether or not one likes it or not is on the other hand an opinion so I guess this is perfect for all that wished for Eurovision to go back to the 1980s/90s.

 

[Daybreak]

I blame the juries

This should be the motto of at least half of the eurofans

Also, weren't the pre-1998 juries supposed to be representative of the population, like in various surveys and studies, rather than music professionals? How is that in any way comparable to the current juries?

 

[Storm]

Please dont talk about juries being behind musical trends when televoters went for the cheesiest 90s/00s Eurodance Schlager last season lol

 

[Uto]

Please dont talk about juries being behind musical trends when televoters went for the cheesiest 90s/00s Eurodance Schlager last season lol

And that is why juries are and will remain a necessary evil.

 

[A-lister]

Please dont talk about juries being behind musical trends when televoters went for the cheesiest 90s/00s Eurodance Schlager last season lol

Should I remind you of juries' #1? Now that was some dated mess ...

90's is on trend again btw, and Eurodance Schlager is novelty and fun and the track also had local motives, sure it was dated in a sense and not something you would get on radio for sure, but at least it was EUROvision and fun... now juries vote for dated and boring without any local attachments and without any sense of fun, how is that better? Juries suck out all the joy, all the local motives, all the diversity of this contest...who put Portugal last in its semi last year? Was it the public? Who put Iceland outside of the top. 15 in the final? I can go on If a song is anything outside the box, watch juries downgrade it, if the entry has local motives, watch them downgrade it... safe, bland dated stuff in English and you have them onboard...

 

[Uto]

Should I remind you of juries' #1? Now that was some dated mess ...

90's is on trend again btw, and Eurodance Schlager is novelty and fun and the track also had local motives, sure it was dated in a sense and not something you would get on radio for sure, but at least it was EUROvision and fun... now juries vote for dated and boring without any local attachments and without any sense of fun, how is that better?

Czechia was lots of fun, it wasn't dated. Seven points form the televotes.

 

[A-lister]

Czechia was lots of fun, it wasn't dated. Seven points form the televotes.

Friend of a friend of a friend of a friend of a friend who likes safe supposedly "fun" easy radio Pop, with little attachment to local music of course, in English... I am not surprised juries would go for that one... it's right up their ally and as far as their "open-mindness" can go...

 

[RainyWoods]

All of a sudden this Eurovision's got me like..

I've got a godly top 4, but they're all people screaming at me (I'm exhausted), and outside of that there are some nice ballads that tend to blur into one ball of ok, with some already starting to fade with me. I really am charmed by Israel but it's 5th right now in my ranking and most years probably wouldn't quite be able to squeeze into my top 10 even. How did this year suddenly fall so flat? Save me Macedonia and San Marino.

 

[FilipFromSweden]

This Eurovision season is a nightmare