EUROVISION 2020 - General Discussion Thread

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Please post any and all discussions regarding the contest itself, host country and city, organisation, rumours and other topics not related to any specific country's selection process.

 

[MalagaToledo]

you forget nordic loyalty.

Yeah, well. I don't think nordic public would vote for Sweden by default just because of their name, especially if the song is meh.

 

[Preuss]

[MENTION=16696]MalagaToledo[/MENTION]

Sorry for late reply lol, I woke up next morning and forgot to answer your post!

When I said that juries are voting for mainstream/radio-friendly songs, I didn't literally mean that every song following the genre would do well with the juries, I was just referring to the fact that those kind of songs have been frequently supported by the juries the last years. Anyway, I don't mind opinions about juryscores, I have them too every year - I'm just not in favour of all those conspiracy theories, taking away the great result and merits of an entry because the juries were "corrupt" or whatever

Juries and public vote don't necessarily vote after the same criterias though. I mean, North Macedonia didn't particularly get a great televote score this year but that doesn't mean that "Proud" is bad.

And edit; I thought that jury-voting was introduced to prevent bloc-voting. And at least the jury-voting consist of less neighbor-voting than televote, as I pointed out earlier in one of my post

 

[Sammy]

Yeah, well. I don't think nordic public would vote for Sweden by default just because of their name, especially if the song is meh.

History seems to prove you wrong...
7 pts from all of them in sum seems unrealistic.

 

[MalagaToledo]

History seems to prove you wrong...
7 pts from all of them in sum seems unrealistic.

7 pts was just an example. It could even be 4 pts or null, who knows. Btw, each country votes from 1-12 pts in final which means countries that which means from 12th to 26th place won't have any pt. If trend of jurry putting Sweden in 1st or top 3 continues, I'm preety sure the public will be fed up with that and give them 0.

 

[MalagaToledo]

[MENTION=16696]MalagaToledo[/MENTION]

Sorry for late reply lol, I woke up next morning and forgot to answer your post!

When I said that juries are voting for mainstream/radio-friendly songs, I didn't literally mean that every song following the genre would do well with the juries, I was just referring to the fact that those kind of songs have been frequently supported by the juries the last years. Anyway, I don't mind opinions about juryscores, I have them too every year - I'm just not in favour of all those conspiracy theories, taking away the great result and merits of an entry because the juries were "corrupt" or whatever

Juries and public vote don't necessarily vote after the same criterias though. I mean, North Macedonia didn't particularly get a great televote score this year but that doesn't mean that "Proud" is bad.

And edit; I thought that jury-voting was introduced to prevent bloc-voting. And at least the jury-voting consist of less neighbor-voting than televote, as I pointed out earlier in one of my post

Well, u couldn't have more radio friendly song than spirit in the sky and yet televote winners NOR finished outside top 10 in jurry. Jurries should vote for strong vocals and songs,bit it's not always the case. They have huge part of deciding the winner (50%) is too high for them. They even decided that RADIO FRIENDLY (u personally said they love radio friendly songs) televote winner Norway finishes outside of top5 because they scored them way too low in the scoreboard. They decide the winner almost every year. Ohh, u say they are here to prevent block voting. Hmm, Greece Cyprus jurry giving each other 12 pts proves u wrong. Azerbaijan Armenia putting each other on 26th place proves u wrong. Russia Georgia putting each other on 26th place proves u wrong. Belarus jurry and the whole mess with adding pts after esc is over and cutting the moment for Tamara who eventually was jurry winner proves u wrong. Need I say more.

 

[Preuss]

As I pointed out, not every radio-friendly, mainstream, generic song does well with the juries - and apparently "Spirit In The Sky" didn't appeal to them this year although I was surprised that we didn't do a bit better at least. And I highly doubt that juries have a hidden vendetta against us or something as they've saved our ass in 2014, 2015 and 2017 - thanks again for saving "A Monster Like Me"

I said that there's less neighbor-voting going on in jury-vote, not that it never happened

 

[MalagaToledo]

As I pointed out,

I said that there's neighbor-voting going on in jury-vote, it happened

Sweetheart, its hard to beat me in discussions. I respect your opinions, but I have strong arguments, facts, evidence so I hope you prepare better next time.

 

[Preuss]

Sweetheart, its hard to beat me in discussions. I respect your opinions, but I have strong arguments, facts, evidence so I hope you prepare better next time.

It's a date!

 

[MalagaToledo]

It's a date!

OK! It's a deal, but only if you pay for a dinner/drink.

 

[Sammy]

7 pts was just an example. It could even be 4 pts or null, who knows. Btw, each country votes from 1-12 pts in final which means countries that which means from 12th to 26th place won't have any pt. If trend of jurry putting Sweden in 1st or top 3 continues, I'm preety sure the public will be fed up with that and give them 0.

as I said: up to now, history does not back up what you are sure about

 

[MalagaToledo]

as I said: up to now, history does not back up what you are sure about

As I said: it's enough for you just to Google televote results of Sweden in recent years and see how they are getting less and less pts from public.

 

[Sammy]

As I said: it's enough for you just to Google televote results of Sweden in recent years and see how they are getting less and less pts from public.

Sweden will hardly get 0 or a number close to that in televote for two reasons:
1. they have a common music market in Scandinavia which makes it VERY unlikely to receive no points from all of the neighboring countries. That has never been the case even when their entries on a european scale did very badly.
2. sweden has a stromg fanbase in several countries of the ESC because they serve exactly what a very constant fraction of fans want - in a very preofessional way. So even IF the block voting would fail (which will not be the case as it is one if the strongest block votings in ESC history) there are enough fans from other countries that will ensure SOME points. (Just look at the numbers of streaming outside Sweden for Melfest)

Sweden is having ups and downs in telelvote (as 2019 was again a rise comparing to 2018) so they are not getting „less and less“ as you might think.

For me, that matter is closed, we‘ve exchanged our views, the future will show if you are right and we will see one day sweden having 0 poins or around that in televote. I strongly doubt it. But hey - who would have think Russia would one day not qualify. Try to get yulia samoylova win Melfest and the chances your prediction comes true will suddnely rise.

 

[MalagaToledo]

Sweden will hardly get televote for two reasons:
1. they which makes it VERY unlikely to receive points from the neighboring countries. That has never been the case
2. sweden has a fraction of fans

Sweden is having downs in telelvote (as 2019 was again to 2018) so they are getting less and less

For me, that matter is closed, you are right and one day sweden having 0 poins or around that in televote.

OK, well I hope they won't be dissapointed like lundvik when memes were made because he was announced winner of jurry and when he got only 90 pts his face was like ohh, no all my hopes sunk. Sweden always expects to win so to get so few pts from public is disappointment because they want to break Irish record. And they already have advantage from the start via jurry so to finish outside top5 because of low score from public is not rise.

 

[Loindici]

Offtopic: would you guys be interested if a country sends something really cheap but really local?

I can point some samples from north macedonia:

Or these greek songs but i'm not sure whether these are the local-sounding songs:

Or this one from albania:

I can only seem to find examples in southern europe, but i hope you get the point.

 

[pepe C]

Isn't Motrat Mustafa from Kosovo?

 

[Loindici]

Isn't Motrat Mustafa from Kosovo?

My bad :?

 

[HayashiM]

Offtopic: would you guys be interested if a country sends something really cheap but really local?

Well, I think these entries are quite risky and rather likely to flop (just think of D-moll, which kinda fits your description),... I'd be rooting for those anyway

An example of "really local" (though not that cheap I guess) for Czechia would be the Čechomor group :

They have already tried their luck in our NF in 2008 but didn't qualify.

 

[Sammy]

Offtopic: would you guys be interested if a country sends something really cheap but really local

I can only seem to find examples in southern europe, but i hope you get the point.

Not a good idea imo... #trackshittaz

 

[Citelis]

We can send far better songs than stuff like that! :?

 

[FRFanESC]

As a french, I'd like to know your thoughts and predictions on my country (France, of course), please.