EUROVISION 2020 - General Discussion Thread

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Please post any and all discussions regarding the contest itself, host country and city, organisation, rumours and other topics not related to any specific country's selection process.

 

[marty]

Ohh no, sweetie. I think ebu should get rid of jurries. They never agree with public opinion/votes, each year there are huge discrepancies between jurry and telebote. What's their purpose anyway? To put Sweden in first place every year?

it would not make sense to expect from the juries to agree with the public opinion. and they did not put sweden in first place the past years.

 

[Realest]

Im wondering if Kristians Record will ever be broken. Very impressive for a 17 Years old Singer.

Puntuaciones más altas en una Semifinal '10-'19:

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403 Beautiful Mess
379 Heroes
370 Amar Pelos Dois
342 You're The Only One
330 Sound Of Silence
325 Euphoria
311 Me And My Guitar
311 A Million Voices
291 Hey Mamma
289 Nije Ljubav Stvar

 

[Preuss]

Ohh no, sweetie. I think ebu should get rid of jurries. They never agree with public opinion/votes, each year there are huge discrepancies between jurry and telebote. What's their purpose anyway? To put Sweden in first place every year?

I mean to me, it looks like neighbor-voting has a bigger more presence in the televote, something Matt's pointed out

What, do people genuinely believe that EBU or someone orders the juries to vote for Sweden? Because if there's any corruption involved, it's either this or the EBU hires 200+ people every year who has a positive bias towards Sweden and want them to do well which I seriously doubt :?

 

[Realest]

We have enough Juryhate-Threads in this Forum

 

[MalagaToledo]

I mean to me, it looks like neighbor-voting has a bigger more presence in the televote, something Matt's pointed out

What, do people genuinely believe that EBU or someone orders the juries to vote for Sweden? Because if there's any corruption involved, it's either this or the EBU hires 200+ people every year who has a positive bias towards Sweden and want them to do well which I seriously doubt :?

Well, just analyse how many times Sweden finished in 1st place or top 3 with jurries last few years no matter what song and vocal they send and it all started with 2015 when jurry decided to give mans creature win. I think that we as public who spend our money should have more laverage (I hope that was a correct word). I also think it's much easier to control 200 people in closed rooms than 750 000 000 of European citizens. OK, jurry should stay, but they should have far less rights, 80:20 sounds reasonable. Jurry decided this years winner too. Look at Norway 2019 case.

 

[MalagaToledo]

Im wondering if Kristians Record will ever be broken. Very impressive for a 17 Years old Singer.

Well, I don't think this is valid statistics. Only last few years, they started to add separately jurry and televote. So if kostov was competing 5 years ago he would have 200, but since rules are changed he had 400. Do u understand my point.

 

[Realest]

Well, I don't think this is valid statistics. Only last few years, they started to add separately jurry and televote. So if kostov was competing 5 years ago he would have 200, but since rules are changed he had 400. Do u understand my point.

They converted the Points from the 2010-2015 Participants into the new System, so this Statistics make Sense.

 

[FRFanESC]

Well, just analyse how many times Sweden finished in 1st place or top 3 with jurries last few years no matter what song and vocal they send and it all started with 2015 when jurry decided to give mans creature win. I think that we as public who spend our money should have more laverage (I hope that was a correct word). I also think it's much easier to control 200 people in closed rooms than 750 000 000 of European citizens. OK, jurry should stay, but they should have far less rights, 80:20 sounds reasonable. Jurry decided this years winner too. Look at Norway 2019 case.

They didn't because North Macedonia didn't win, nor Sweden yet they came 1st and 2nd at the jury votes.

 

[marty]

They converted the Points from the 2010-2015 Participants into the new System, so this Statistics make Sense.

but it was different amounts of countries voting. however, whats the point? why it should be impressive? he did not win….. that would have been impressive.

 

[Realest]

but it was different amounts of countries voting. however, whats the point? why it should be impressive? he did not win….. that would have been impressive.

Because hes 17 and he got the Biggest Semi-Victory in the History. More than 20 Points (!) per Country in Average. Even with the same Amount of Countries he couldnt be beaten, only Mans could catch up with him.

 

[Preuss]

Well, just analyse how many times Sweden finished in 1st place or top 3 with jurries last few years no matter what song and vocal they send and it all started with 2015 when jurry decided to give mans creature win. I think that we as public who spend our money should have more laverage (I hope that was a correct word). I also think it's much easier to control 200 people in closed rooms than 750 000 000 of European citizens. OK, jurry should stay, but they should have far less rights, 80:20 sounds reasonable. Jurry decided this years winner too. Look at Norway 2019 case.

Well, I just think that it's the way the juries vote - they like radio-friendly, mainstream songs which is reflected on the scoreboards after the juries have voted the last years. I mean, there is a clear pattern in what Sweden's been sending this decade - and Sweden's not the only country that's been awarded by the juries for it. So when you claim "no matter what they song" they send, it's because their songs follow the same pattern year after year, and obviously backed up by top-notch staging.

And sure, great vocals can help, but it's not paramount in order to do well with the juries. I mean, Lake Malawi and Luca Hänni had radio-friendly songs this year with great staging and they came like some points behind Kate Miller-Heidke in the jury vote with the latter having a far superior vocal performance, but perhaps "Zero Gravity" as a popera song was too divisive for the juries as neither "Grande Amore" or "La Forza" killed the jury vote either

 

[MalagaToledo]

Well, I just think that it's the way the juries vote - they like radio-friendly, mainstream songs which is reflected on the scoreboards after the juries have voted the last years. I mean, there is a clear pattern in what Sweden's been sending this decade - and Sweden's not the only country that's been awarded by the juries for it. So when you claim "no matter what they song" they send, it's because their songs follow the same pattern year after year, and obviously backed up by top-notch staging.

And sure, great vocals can help, but it's not paramount in order to do well with the juries. I mean, Lake Malawi and Luca Hänni had radio-friendly songs this year with great staging and they came like some points behind Kate Miller-Heidke in the jury vote with the latter having a far superior vocal performance, but perhaps "Zero Gravity" as a popera song was too divisive for the juries as neither "Grande Amore" or "La Forza" killed the jury vote either

I'd like if u could quote part of my post, a sentence that u think I wasn't right so we can elaborate on that. Every sentence I wrote is factual. Wait, u said juries vote for radio friendly songs and not strong vocals perse. Well, wasn't the introduction of juries so they can be fair and give strong vocals high pts. Last but not least, televote winner Norway Keino with their RADIO FRIENDLY song spirit in the sky wasnt even In top 10 with juries who vote for RADIO FRIENDLY songs. How about that. One last thing, huge discrepancies only mean one thing. There is only one truth. It is either we voters are right or them. We listen the same songs. It's not possible that jurry saw something that whole Europe didn't notice in for example czechia and they awarded it with 300 pts, but public gave it only 7 for example.

 

[Loindici]

Well, wasn't the introduction of juries so they can be fair and give strong vocals high pts. Last but not least, televote winner Norway Keino with their RADIO FRIENDLY song spirit in the sky wasnt even In top 10 with juries who vote for RADIO FRIENDLY songs. How about that. One last thing, huge discrepancies only mean one thing. There is only one truth. It is either we voters are right or them. We listen the same songs. It's not possible that jurry saw something that whole Europe didn't notice in for example czechia and they awarded it with 300 pts, but public gave it only 7 for example.

Neither jury nor the televote does an absolute right or wrong, because they're complimenting. Juries are searching for a more professional approach, televotes's searching for something more memorable. Not saying that I'm a pro-jury-only-system, but they could balance the biases they had together (eventhough we tend to blame the juries more since their bias is more visible in the TV screens).

plus

Every sentence I wrote is factual.

You do know that every sentence you wrote without a citation is still an opinion, don't you?

 

[esc87fan]

Latest news from the organizational side: longtime Dutch co-commentator and host of EiC Cornald Maas has been named creative advisor of the 2020 contest

 

[Realest]

Happy new Eurovision-Season to everyone

 

[Lindon]

The Dutch Public Service Television NPO hopes to receive financial support from the state to organize the next Eurovision Song Contest in May 2020 in Rotterdam. A spokesman for NPO chairman Shula Rijxman said yesterday in Hilversum. It is about state contributions of 15 to 20 million euros, it said.

The total cost of hosting the music competition is expected to be around 30 million euros.

 

[Realest]

Im wondering if Norways Record will ever be broken.

Mayores diferencias de puntuación Jurado - Televoto:

251 (�� -40 - �� - 291) Spirit In The Sky
238 (�� 94 - �� 332) Party For Everybody
232 (�� 253 - �� 21) Dance You Off
231 ( �� 130 - �� 361) You Are The Only One
215 (�� 7 - �� 222) Color Of Your Life

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[hungo]

Im wondering if Norways Record will ever be broken.

So many things you have been wondering about lately ..... ;-)

 

[MalagaToledo]

Im wondering if Norways Record will ever be broken.

It can be broken. I think Sweden has potential to broke that record. They can have 300 pts from jurry ( pretends to be shocked as everyone else) and 7 pts from public which would be almost 300 pts difference between kurry and televote.

 

[Sammy]

It can be broken. I think Sweden has potential to broke that record. They can have 300 pts from jurry ( pretends to be shocked as everyone else) and 7 pts from public which would be almost 300 pts difference between kurry and televote.

you forget nordic loyalty.