EUROVISION 2020 - General Discussion Thread

[escYOUnited]

Please post any and all discussions regarding the contest itself, host country and city, organisation, rumours and other topics not related to any specific country's selection process.

 

[Preuss]

What ? You are talking about Destination Eurovision ?

Yeah

 

[FRFanESC]

Yeah

Anh, ok. What I would like is something in a single evening so that, there won't be any problem on the voting system of the semi-finals + limit the influence on the televote like this : if there're 10 juries + 10 contestants, the televote winner gets 120pts, the second gets 100pts, the third gets 80pts, etc.

 

[tomos2019]

Also I see United Kingdom 30th! We are the winners, of Eurovision

 

[Alaska49]

Sweden’s second in televote I see

loreen and mans alone are 42% of those points, lol, and then some more are eric, who is from before sweden's jury situation wore thin on the fans. that leaves 612 points across the other 6 entries, and those same 6 entries got 1214 jury points, which would still be comfortably third place for the decade. yikers.

 

[Himan]

Also I see United Kingdom 30th! We are the winners, of Eurovision

We are, we are. We are, we are!
Oh wait, that song ended way too high for your level.

 

[Preuss]

loreen and mans alone are 42% of those points, lol, and then some more are eric, who is from before sweden's jury situation wore thin on the fans. that leaves 612 points across the other 6 entries, and those same 6 entries got 1214 jury points, which would still be comfortably third place for the decade. yikers.

And your point is?

 

[Alaska49]

And your point is?

the opposite of yours, whatever it was. your tone seems very pointed right now.

 

[Preuss]

the opposite of yours, whatever it was. your tone seems very pointed right now.

Pardon, didn't mean to sound rude or condescending although I see now that I might have. Apologies!

But yes, the fact that Sweden has received more points from the juries than the televote the last years is already well known, but not their fault really that the scores don't match (as wicked as it sounds, but you get my point. And to be fair, I don't think people would have been more pleased really if the scores matched either

Juries vote differently than the viewers and they (jury) consistently respond to pop songs, radio etc. whatever, that's no secret- and we've already talked about I think but I don't like to "punish" entries for a discrepeancy due to the country's history previous years lol so that's why, in my opinion, is weird to see people complain about a discrepancy in the votes for Sweden but not for the likes of North-Macedonia or Czech Republic this year for example. But yes, I do understand that this is mostly because of Sweden's history with the juries this decade but I don't personally share the same view

 

[Preuss]

Lots of people talk about their vocal performances as well not being good enough for etc. amount of points, but judging from the jury resuls the last years, vocals are not paramount. Juries respond to radiofriendly pop songs with great staging like for example Switzerland and Czech Republic this year just a few points behind Australia in the combined juryvote with the latter having a far superior vocal performance

But I think that the EBU seriously needs to consider expanding the juries so we get more diversity and expertise on the national juries, although I remember reading an article on NRK after KEIINO's televote win that they think that the jury-situation is good as it is now :?

 

[Loindici]

A bit offtopic here: Sweden? After some thinking, they send good/great stuffs for most of the time, and juries will love these. But in terms of entries, most would conclude that they never grow or take risks significantly, especially after the big jury win in 2015. That holds them back from being favored on.

 

[FRFanESC]

But I think that the EBU seriously needs to consider expanding the juries so we get more diversity and expertise on the national juries, although I remember reading an article on NRK after KEIINO's televote win that they think that the jury-situation is good as it is now :?

But they're right, aren't they ? People love original things while juries love pop songs, both love (generally) quality entries, it balances well. A winning song will never be first with juries but 8th with the televote, for example. I don't see the problem. Good songs rarely end up in the bottom of the board.

 

[HayashiM]

But they're right, aren't they ? People love original things while juries love pop songs, both love (generally) quality entries, it balances well. A winning song will never be first with juries but 8th with the televote, for example. I don't see the problem. Good songs rarely end up in the bottom of the board.

Mathematically, such a thing could happen quite easily. Or something like a winning song that was second with the juries but 6th with the televote. This year's results certainly go in that direction.

Furthemore, I still don't see any reason why 5 people from my country should have the same say as our entire paying televote, especially when these people are not guaranteed to have any relevant musical experience whatsoever and they apparently can't even correctly fill their results in *. To me, all these things are a problem.

Either the jury should consist of 3-4 times more (musically knowledgeable) people, or they should only count as a 25%/33% of the final result (my favourite option), or they should just go altogether. The current situation is absolutely ridiculous though.

* also, the Czech jury isn't the only jury who made such a mistake

 

[FRFanESC]

Mathematically, such a thing could happen quite easily. Or something like a winning song that was second with the juries but 6th with the televote. This year's results certainly go in that direction.

Furthemore, I still don't see any reason why 5 people from my country should have the same say as our entire paying televote, especially when these people are not guaranteed to have any relevant musical experience whatsoever and they apparently can't even correctly fill their results in *. To me, all these things are a problem.

Either the jury should consist of 3-4 times more (musically knowledgeable) people, or they should only count as a 25%/33% of the final result (my favourite option), or they should just go altogether. The current situation is absolutely ridiculous though.

* also, the Czech jury isn't the only jury who made such a mistake

Of course, it could happen but it's very unlikely and mathematically, I wouldn't say this situation could "quite easily" happen. I wouldn't mind if they change how the juries work, the only thing I want to keep is their existence. I don't want to see only juries or televote decide the winner.

 

[Loindici]

Whether it's Rotterdam or Maastricht, ESC 2020 will happen. However, I do think characteristics of performers we'll get will be an interesting topic to predict.

As stereotypical as this is gonna be, Rotterdam's Ahoy would have a chance to attract bigger names and conceive tighter-looking show, like the usual Eurovision in big arenas.

It's more interesting to see what kinds of act would be invested onto Maastricht. There can be a shift towards either a cast of indie/underground artists, or maybe having a more ethnic/cultural cast, perhaps?

 

[Realest]

 

[Schlagerman1]

^ With "Amar Pelos Dois" being 2nd best percentage from both jury and televote, then it must be seen as one of the grand winners of the contest ever. Absolutely amazing in my opinion!

 

[Edweis]

As much as I despise Amar Pelos Dois, I must recognize it's a deserving entry that amost everyone agreed on.
Interesting, but not surprising, to see 2011's winner is the only one which doesn't appear in neither side of the table.

Let's see how each year is represented.

So, for the jury we have :
2019 :
2018 :
2017 :
2016 :
2015 :
2014 :
2013 :
2012 :
2011 :

2010 : 0

And the TV voting :
2019 :
2018 :
2017 :
2016 :
2015 :
2014 :
2013 :
2012 :

2011 : 0
2010 :

2010-2013 aren't really loved...

 

[BorisBubbles]

Sweden made the jury list six times and reached the televote one only twice. Totally not overrated for what they are, y'all.

 

[Realest]

Sweden got often 90-230 Points.
Also they focus more on the professional Juries, which is not forbidden.

 

[Mainshow]

Eurovision 2020 in Rotterdam!

It appears on eurovision.tv on the page dedicated to the Netherlands. It seems that they leaked that info by accident. Scroll to Hosts!

https://eurovision.tv/country/the-netherlands