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Estonia ESTONIA 2019 - Victor Crone - Storm

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Daybreak

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Can you blame us, though ? I don't know about the others but I can't enjoy a song if the vocals aren't good, no matter how inventive it is. Yes, we should rather reward creativity, but let's be honest, if you give me a choice between an ordinary pop-song with an amazing voice and an impressive original song with bad vocals, I'll take the first in a heartbeat, even if I try to deny it.

Well, it depends on how important you think vocals are. For me personally they're just one instrument, a part of the whole, and of course lots of tracks don't use vocals much or at all; I also tend to prefer studio versions as the default version of a song, and these of course use the best possible recording (even leaving aside possibilities like pitch correction). So for me, singling out vocals of a live performance is is a fairly minor thing and if the rest of the music was also live, I doubt people would also pay this close attention to, say, whether the percussion sounds perfect or not.

Keep in mind I'm not necessarily talking about cases where the singing is blatantly and objectively bad; more often than not it's nitpicking about small details and people without experience acting like they're vocal coaches. I am aware though that there's a common tendency to treat the singer as the artist (even if the song is completely written, recorded and produced by other people and the singer's only input is the vocal) and singing as the most fundamental part of a song. I guess the most visible person essentially becomes the "face" of the song (similarly how singers of rock bands are generally seen as the frontmen).
 

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I think the fans are overreacting about vocals anyway. My friends were all shook by how well Eleni sung while dancing and compared her to Beyonce, but we all know the backing vocalist was supporting her the entire time. :lol:

It's the juries who care. Vocals + stage presence matter, sometimes even more than the song itself. This is why Stefan, Inga and Sissi gained all those points and why Victor didn't.

I don't think the GP won't vote for Victor simply because of his chorus. The juries look at that. I just think the song itself doesn't appeal enough to begin with. :lol:
 

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Keep in mind I'm not necessarily talking about cases where the singing is blatantly and objectively bad; more often than not it's nitpicking about small details and people without experience acting like they're vocal coaches. I am aware though that there's a common tendency to treat the singer as the artist (even if the song is completely written, recorded and produced by other people and the singer's only input is the vocal) and the singing as the most fundamental part of a song. I guess the most visible person essentially becomes the "face" of the song (similarly how singers of rock bands are generally seen as the frontmen).

Mea culpa, I didn't realize you were talking about that kind of attitude. In that case, I can't do anything but agree, as my singing is quit horrendous, it would be hypocritical of me to diss a singer because he failed one note. I can only judge overall.
Btw, this tendency to treat the singer as the sole valuable artist is clearly disrespectful to the other members.
 

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Mea culpa, I didn't realize you were talking about that kind of attitude. In that case, I can't do anything but agree, as my singing is quit horrendous, it would be hypocritical of me to diss a singer because he failed one note. I can only judge overall.
Btw, this tendency to treat the singer as the sole valuable artist is clearly disrespectful to the other members.

In general, I obviously agree that good singing is important :) I just think that in ESC, we end up in a silly situation when instead of (both the audience and juries) critiquing the song/composition as a whole, thanks to a) Eurovision placing the most importance on the live performance and b) only vocals being actually allowed live, it leads to singing getting disproportionate attention.
 

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i definitely agree that people give too much importance to vocals, which change from performance to performance and song to song even by the same artist. it's rare that bad vocals actually change the impact of a performance, and it's subjective anyway. stage presence and attitude (though also subjective to an extent) matters a lot more. nobody will care for your good vocals if you are a limp noodle on stage. people actually confuse that with bad vocals a lot of the time (me included).

victor, for example, does sound annoying as shit (subjective) and was also probably out of tune in the semi (objective?), but even a good vocal performance wouldn't save him from looking lost in his own stage. he needs to put some personality into it, specially if he can't win people over by impressing them. look how good inga is live, and i wouldn't say she's a top vocalist or anything.
 

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Clearly for some people here when Estonia sends "bland, meh, mediocre, generic" song it is a much bigger CRIME compared to when some other country does that. Because, you know, the bar in our case is sky high. We need to send GTY, "Rändajad", "La Forza" level quality or get bashed forever (both by die-hard fans and juries/GP).

I dont get that attitude. Can`t we have one year break (or two if we feel like that) of sending good stuff and see what a "generic, Avicii rip-off, that lacks any originality and has been heard millon times before" song can do for us? Pretty please!
 

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Clearly for some people here when Estonia sends "bland, meh, mediocre, generic" song it is a much bigger CRIME compared to when some other country does that. Because, you know, the bar in our case is sky high. We need to send GTY, "Rändajad", "La Forza" level quality or get bashed forever (both by die-hard fans and juries/GP).

I dont get that attitude. Can`t we have one year break (or two if we feel like that) of sending good stuff and see what a "generic, Avicii rip-off, that lacks any originality and has been heard millon times before" song can do for us? Pretty please!

I bashed Randajad and La Forza actually.. :lol:

I want 'Kuula"! xlove xheart
 

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People are doing WAY too much over "Storm". It's not even actively horrible, it's just bland, dated, generic, harmless, forgettable, that's it. And we've had subpar entries like this before (hello 2013 and 2014).
 

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Storm is slightly out of date, some 6-7 years. Not like Verona which was 30 years out of date lol.
And I don't think it's forgettable at all. I love how the song transitions from country pop to full on dance pop. It's a well structured song and the chorus has an anthemic feel. If we had a great singer this would make top 10 imo.
 

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I have been unlucky to see some reaction videos to "Storm" in Youtube, because big brother is watching and clearly YT thinks I may be interested of such stuff ...

I am actually suprised to see that most of people find this very pleasant, catchy, well produced song that will qualify.
 

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I have been unlucky to see some reaction videos to "Storm" in Youtube, because big brother is watching and clearly YT thinks I may be interested of such stuff ...

I am actually suprised to see that most of people find this very pleasant, catchy, well produced song that will qualify.

Why does that surprise you?
 

Bsimmons

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Why does that surprise you?

Because judging by this place here (and my own opinion) Storm will not qualify.

I have to admit though that I have not heard most of other songs and opinion of this thread is mainly "controlled" by few sad Inga fanboys, who blame some random Swedish dude, who cant even sing, in crushing their wet dreams.
 

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I’m having a better day since I heard Elina’s new single. Her voice is feeding my soul.
I wish she sent it to eesti laul, estonia would be my favourite two years in a row.
 

QwaarJet

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Because judging by this place here (and my own opinion) Storm will not qualify.

I have to admit though that I have not heard most of other songs and opinion of this thread is mainly "controlled" by few sad Inga fanboys, who blame some random Swedish dude, who cant even sing, in crushing their wet dreams.

Judging from hardcore Eurovision fans isn't a good idea. Also, it has more 12 points here than anything else, so I'd say it's well received. Also, this was always going to be more popular outside the bubble. Easy qualifier.
 

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I’m having a better day since I heard Elina’s new single. Her voice is feeding my soul.
I wish she sent it to eesti laul, estonia would be my favourite two years in a row.

It would actually make a perfect comeback song. It's not trying to recreate La Forza but is still very much her, perfectly bridging classical music with pop production and once again, without going camp at all. The staging would obviously also be completely different, so it wouldn't feel like recycling. Kinda wish this was our entry.
 

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ever since someone here compared storm to light me up last year i just have a hard time seeing it doing well. it really is the exact same situstion.
 

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Questionable as Victor's vocals may be, he was still better than the Light Me Up guy. :lol: And we have no annoying "snake hands" DJ, constantly waving in your face. :rolleyes: Whether that will make a difference, who knows.

I'm not sure Elina would have won this year with her new single. IMO it's not as atmospheric or memorable, and I don't know if televoters would go for the same thing two years in a row. :confused: Not quite as magical or interesting the second time around, not this soon anyway. But well, we'll never know. I wouldn't mind Elina coming back in another year or two tho', with another really strong song. :D Maybe in 2021, so we can get that top 10 again! :lol:

If she was taking part this year, we'd have two popera songs in the same semi. Don't think that's ever happened before, usually there's one per year at most. :lol:
 

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And we have no annoying "snake hands" DJ, constantly waving in your face. :rolleyes:

Thank god to that :lol: but they could still use some annoying DJ in performance as they can't afford bringing the graphics so hopefully they don't get that idea (somew)here. xpray
 
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