lucian-crusher
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That's what I mean! Voting in the Final is the most important thing I am looking for in Eurovision, more important then my own country's result!
ESC - what would you improve for the future?
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That's what I mean! Voting in the Final is the most important thing I am looking for in Eurovision, more important then my own country's result!
Michelangelo
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A big no NO to the language rule! If we sing in Romanian I don't think IO will support my country. I am proud thatis the only country participating in BMA 2011 that doesen't sing in national language
Also I don't agree on leting only finalists vote! For me that's the bigest thing when it comes to my country participating. If
Well, one can't be sure of anything. Certainly not when it comes to musical taste of Europe. Perhaps you would get some support, who knows. A good song is a good song, despite the language. And a song can actual be better in its national language. I think we should be proud of our languages and not rely too much on the english one. Sure, I like the english language and both United Kingdom and Ireland are two favourite countries in the contest, but it shouldn't be dominating as much as it does today. Today everybody sings in english!
I know that it's so much more fun to be able to vote and decide the winner. But the truth is that there are problems with the current situation where blockvoting is very common, and something has to be done about that. One solution is to only let the finalists vote - which would be a total of 25. It's still pretty many countries if you ask me. And you know, perhaps Romania would be in that lucky group. The positive side to it, would be a much more fair voting, and the procedure wouldn't be too long either. We could also go back to the old system - which I actually miss too a bit, where all the points are presented. It was more exciting back then!
But with this said, I know that a lot of people think they way you do. My opinion is probably in minority. So it's unlikely to happen.
lucian-crusher
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Anyway, I hope they won't alow only finalists to vote! It would be acceptable for me if they will make non-finalists vote as one country. All the non-finalists vote then they add-ip their votes and they will counted as ,,The non-finalists vote"....
Michelangelo
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Well, I don't know. I'd say, let all the countries vote all the way - as it is today, or let only the finalists vote.
Oh yes ESC, please bring back the language rule! But I guess it's not commercial enough, and suddenly the UK and Ireland would get much better results (LOL). What about having the semi-finals *with* language rule, and the final *without* ?
- I support the Big Five, it's not like if it gives them any advantage. When their song is bad, they finish in the bottom five anyway.
- I am a bit nostalgic of the time the ESC was just one big night, but I'm still for semi-finals which allow all the countries that wish to do so to participate.
- Vote: yes, the big controversial subject. IMO, the vote will never be "fair" and one shouldn't get upset about unfair results: they've been happening ever since the ESC exists and it still provides us with great entertainment. But the current vote is a real drag on that entertainment value: it lasts *forever* and at the same time you barely have time to see the points and the presenters! The fact that they now organise the voting order to make it more exciting is a nice improvement, but I think there should be other measures to make the vote more exciting. For example, with 40+ countries, the points are just *enormous*, and the winner often ends up with a significant lead on n°2 (I think ESC 2011 is an exception, I may be wrong).
Quent91
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Well, since the language rule have been taken away, the Uk and Ireland have been doing very bad results in the 2000's.
Michelangelo
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Yeah, and that's not too strange really. Singing in english does have an advantage, since most people understand the language. For a long time, Ireland and United Kingdom has been alone using it in the contest. When everybody else is using it as well, one doesn't have to vote for them - if you know what you mean.
But then again, a good song is a good song - irrespectively the language.
One thing i definetelly want,is to see familiar persons to eurovision people,giving the points!
For Example
Νorway Alexander Ribak
Russia Dima Bilan
Germany Lena
Ukraine Ruslana
Malta Chiara
Turkey Sertab
Iceland Johanna
Israel Dana International
For Example
Νorway Alexander Ribak
Russia Dima Bilan
Germany Lena
Ukraine Ruslana
Malta Chiara
Turkey Sertab
Iceland Johanna
Israel Dana International
Mickey
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I've long thought that would be a good idea. The only amendments I'd make is to split the non-qualifiers into semi 1 and semi 2. I'd also make these marks worth more than the standard 1 to 12. Nine or ten countries' worth of votes should be worth more than that. I'd multiply them by five and give points 5 to 60.
This format would mean there is enough time to read out all the votes and the contest should be closer. Even better, if you save one of the semi finalist votes to the end, you'd be much more likely to have a tense finale.
There is a problem, a very big problem, with relegating non-qualifiers to non-voter (or "loser voter"): why would people in these countries actually watch the final if they can't vote?
I'm not in favour of it anyway, and I think those advocating such reform come from those countries that are automatic or "easy" qualifiers. Obviously, Belgium does not belong to that group and I wouldn't like being denied the right to vote, or see my vote diluted in a massive "semi-finalist group", because my country seldom qualifies.
I'm not in favour of it anyway, and I think those advocating such reform come from those countries that are automatic or "easy" qualifiers. Obviously, Belgium does not belong to that group and I wouldn't like being denied the right to vote, or see my vote diluted in a massive "semi-finalist group", because my country seldom qualifies.
MyHeartIsYours
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I think non-qualifiers should be able to vote individually, I dont see any reason why they shouldnt.
Another change I would like though is that the participants vote in the opposite SemiFinal. Eg participants from SF1 vote in SF2 and vice versa. They dont vote in their own SemiFinal. There is no reason for this except I think it would mix things up a bit and generate interest in the other SemiFinal. The Big5+1 should be able to vote in both SemiFinals.
Also, when it comes to the GrandFinal, I think the host country should be able to choose its running order number first, and then a small draw amongst the other Big5 countries who'd choose their positions in the Final. It would be better than having a random draw I think.
Another change I would like though is that the participants vote in the opposite SemiFinal. Eg participants from SF1 vote in SF2 and vice versa. They dont vote in their own SemiFinal. There is no reason for this except I think it would mix things up a bit and generate interest in the other SemiFinal. The Big5+1 should be able to vote in both SemiFinals.
Also, when it comes to the GrandFinal, I think the host country should be able to choose its running order number first, and then a small draw amongst the other Big5 countries who'd choose their positions in the Final. It would be better than having a random draw I think.
Mickey
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That would be one of the main problems. However, with the semi finalist votes counting for more than the normal 1-12, it could be argued by the commentators that the semi final votes are the most important (it would rely on some rather shoddy maths, but that hasn't stopped tv presenters before).
I had a play with my system for 2011 and found that if you left the votes from semi 2 to the end, the whole competition ends up being decided by whether Italy is given the last 60 pointer (they aren't - it goes to Sweden which gives them second and Azerbaijan the win. With zero from semi 2 Italy finishes fourth.). If it is marketed to the non-qualifiers that YOU decide the winner, it might not be such an issue.
There is another issue, in that the outcome of the show is decided by an element of luck. Who qualifies for the final and how a country's votes are distributed over the two groups of non-qualifiers could have a big influence over the voting.
The system I've suggested certainly has its flaws, but if the aim is purely to have an entertaining results procedure, then I think it achieves that.
Mickey
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Why should we get special treatment? If you're going to play around with who votes in what semi, wouldn't it make more sense to let everyone vote in both?
That said, I'm not sure if all the countries actually broadcast both semis. If there are some who only broadcast their own appearance, I think it's best to leave it as it is.
MyHeartIsYours
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Cuz 1) it will mean more revenue for the broadcasters and the EBU and 2) the non-qualifying semi finalists vote in the grand final, so why should we vote in the semi finals? It wouldnt be more sense to let everyone vote in both because part of the reason 2 SemiFinals were created was to split voting blocks in half.
As for the broadcasting, yes that's a problem now but there could be a new rule that countries must broadcast all 3 shows.
sannerz
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The ability for a performer to be ejected from the contest for being a douchebag at interviews, press conferences, etc. (AKA Alexey Vorobyov-Russia 2011)
Mickey
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1) It would be more revenue for everyone if everyone could vote in both semis. Why should only the richest broadcasters get extra revenue?
2) Huh? We do vote in the semi finals. We have the same voting rights as any other country.
3) Voting blocks were split when the two semi format was created, but I wasn't aware this was the reason for their existence. The old one semi system was rubbish. It allowed bad songs to get to the final based only on the previous year's entry, significantly lessening the quality of the show.