ESC United - Rehearsal and Live Show discussion megathread

[Sean]

It's time for the rehearsals to finally get underway for Eurovision 2024 at Malmö Arena! 37 countries will begin their preparations for this year's contest today, with over two weeks of coverage to come from the ESC United team on the ground!

The schedule for rehearsals is below (thank you Eurovisionworld! All times in CEST);

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You can check out Matt's pre-rehearsal live stream below in case you missed it;

DAY ONE

Eurovision 2024 Rehearsals - Day 1 Round-Up Live Stream

Join Matt and his team as they discuss the rehearsals of the day and answer your questions. The first dress rehearsal is closed to the press so we'll be here...

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[NeoTen]

If that reverse recap thing turns out to be true then it’s a very ridiculous joke. The only point of that is to show last?

I'm hearing now they're gonna try and do it only for the final recap and test that later tonight, as it could be still altered. Watch the final rehearsal.

Another thing that's striking to me is that if it would be something like Joost getting into a fight with a stage assistant or Swedish photographer, or anyone really, I feel like AVROTROS and Joost would be quick to sent out a proper apology. The fact that they haven't seems odd to me.

I'm thinking there it must be combination of two: maybe he made a statement, got into a fight when refused, and there were only 2 witnesses or smth, so they tried to play it down as it was not filmed, and not discuss it until today with him because he would've otherwise ripped into Eden knowing he would be escorted out of the building then and there.

Greece won the ESC voting in the rehearsal! Everyone happy. There.

 

[0scar]

Martin Osterdahl not present at the rehearsal

... and I've read somewhere that "now we're going to Europapa Martin Osterdahl" is part of the script and I cannot cope with any of this anymore, this is too weird to come up with

 

[soulm8]

The disgusting part is how you ban everything and everyone if they are political, but then you put a country who started a war and everything you give to this country is a fake applause! Just watched people escorted out of the Arena during Israeli performance. Gonna say it once again, this is reaching crucial point and I’m afraid what can happen tomorrow. Reminder: almost all of Europe has a representer there. Just a reminder what situation we have here! Extremely dangerous if you ask me!

 

[SpiritofKeiino]

I'm refreshing twitter every few mins to see if there's an update on Dutch participation

 

[Ajeje Brazorf]

What makes no sense to me is people thinking Martin Osterdahl is 100% behind every decision. I've said it on here before, but calling for him to resign achieves what? A few likes on here clearly, but nothing more.

Martin is the public face of the EBU who is following decisions from higher-ups and an EBU board. Do people seriously think he is making every single individual decision?

If they are, then they're idiots. The EBU - which Martin is a part of, but a small cog in a bigger machine - have made a mess for themselves. But blaming one man for a wider series of decisions just smacks as stupidity to me. Call for the EBU as a whole to change. That's what people should do.

Sorry but no. He isn't just "A person in the EBU", he is the Executive Supervisor of Eurovision: his duty is not just to say "You're good to go" on live television, just saying. What kind of supervision Is this one? To me It seems it's complete chaos, plenty of issues, no statements, he is doing absolutely nothing about this. And if he is not good to be a supervisor, than he should resign or be fired. Simple as that. Everybody has his responsabilities, he isn't taking his own job seriously. Full stop.

I really regret Ola Sand, to be honest with you. Österdahl doesn't worthy a penny compared to him.

 

[0scar]

I'm thinking there it must be combination of two: maybe he made a statement, got into a fight when refused, and there were only 2 witnesses or smth, so they tried to play it down as it was not filmed, and not discuss it until today with him because he would've otherwise ripped into Eden knowing he would be escorted out of the building then and there.

I don't know, it doesn't feel like that would be something for AVROTROS? I mean, they usually want to be het braafste jongetje van de klas and to put it in de doofpot because it wasn't filmed seems odd. Integrity is something that I would associate with AVROTROS.

 

[theditz83]

I had so much work to do today Eurovision - you had no right dropping all this extra drama to totally occupy all my brain. And Loreen and KEiiNO both unleashing new bops....

I'm dead, send help

 

[goncalovieira]

Do you wanna bet that Israel is going out after playing the victim card?

 

[Andrin]

Two ESC forums, reddit, twitter, and IG on refresh here. And the odds page, of course.

I'm refreshing twitter every few mins to see if there's an update on Dutch participation

 

[EscGeek]

Maybe Martin is Joosts next opponnent for the WWE championship title

 

[Storm]

Whats wrong with a reverse recap? Sure its funny with Sweden being first for once but in general, doesnt seem like a bad idea

 

[Alcatraz]

Do you wanna bet that Israel is going out after playing the victim card?

Why would they go out with the ESC victory in their hands?

 

[AliceEsc]

Whats wrong with a reverse recap? Sure its funny with Sweden being first for once but in general, doesnt seem like a bad idea

It's a good idea, but hilarious timing.

 

[goncalovieira]

Why would they go out with the ESC victory in their hands?

That would be a scandal.

 

[Ted Talks]

Sorry but no. He isn't just "A person in the EBU", he is the Executive Supervisor of Eurovision: his duty is not just to say "You're good to go" on live television, just saying. What kind of supervision Is this one? To me It seems it's complete chaos, plenty of issues, no statements, he is doing absolutely nothing about this. And if he is not good to be a supervisor, than he should resign or be fired. Simple as that. Everybody has his responsabilities, he isn't taking his own job seriously. Full stop.

I really regret Ola Sand, to be honest with you.

Of course his role isn't just to say 'you're good to go'. I know that, but these are the stupid over-reactions that really bother me.

He is the face that is in charge of Eurovision, but he has superiors that will ultimately make the decision. He will have to be the 'face' of any decision they make. That's how organisations work. To claim it is entirely at his door is just plain stupid.

I'm not denying the EBU has made some shocking decisions this year. I'd be stupid to claim otherwise, but to try and say it's all Martin's fault as some are doing is stupid. To say he isn't taking his own job seriously is plain idiotic on your part, but you probably won't listen to that.

Decisions will be made by those up at the highest level of the EBU. Martin is no doubt having to get things signed off by them if several options are put forward. That's how organisations like this operate. Martin can't just stroll about, tell people what to do and magically it happens. That's not how the real world works.

 

[Andrin]

Of course his role isn't just to say 'you're good to go'. I know that, but these are the stupid over-reactions that really bother me.

He is the face that is in charge of Eurovision, but he has superiors that will ultimately make the decision. He will have to be the 'face' of any decision they make. That's how organisations work. To claim it is entirely at his door is just plain stupid.

I'm not denying the EBU has made some shocking decisions this year. I'd be stupid to claim otherwise, but to try and say it's all Martin's fault as some are doing is stupid. To say he isn't taking his own job seriously is plain idiotic on your part, but you probably won't listen to that.

Decisions will be made by those up at the highest level of the EBU. Martin is no doubt having to get things signed off by them if several options are put forward. That's how organisations like this operate. Martin can't just stroll about, tell people what to do and magically it happens. That's not how the real world works.

If he's the face in charge, he takes full responsibility for what's happening. That's on his job description.

 

[Augustas]

Majority of you guys are such drama queens, it's ridiculous chill, lets wait for official statements and then judge the situation, EBU and whether Österdahl should resign (this one is super funny). For me personally, it's even more interesting to have additional events happening, of course unless someone gets really hurt.

 

[Smudy]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1788944633583542490

 

[Loindici]

Of course his role isn't just to say 'you're good to go'. I know that, but these are the stupid over-reactions that really bother me.

He is the face that is in charge of Eurovision, but he has superiors that will ultimately make the decision. He will have to be the 'face' of any decision they make. That's how organisations work. To claim it is entirely at his door is just plain stupid.

I'm not denying the EBU has made some shocking decisions this year. I'd be stupid to claim otherwise, but to try and say it's all Martin's fault as some are doing is stupid. To say he isn't taking his own job seriously is plain idiotic on your part, but you probably won't listen to that.

Decisions will be made by those up at the highest level of the EBU. Martin is no doubt having to get things signed off by them if several options are put forward. That's how organisations like this operate. Martin can't just stroll about, tell people what to do and magically it happens. That's not how the real world works.

Agree that Martin isn't 100% regulating every decision, but as he's the public face it won't be surprising to see people blaming everything out on him, since people weren't familiar with the Reference Group nor who's actually in higher position than Martin.

If we have to be more accurate, we should put the whole Reference Group on the blame, as they are the ones steering the competition forward and their decisions matter for the contest' development.

 

[Ted Talks]

If he's the face in charge, he takes full responsibility for what's happening. That's on his job description.

Well if Martin falls on his sword for this - decisions which will no doubt have been made by his bosses etc - then that's what happens and the screaming banshees demanding his resignation win. I would say of the issues facing the EBU and this year's contest, Martin's job isn't top of the list to sort, but there you go.

It does have to be said that to the outside world, you know those will only tune in tomorrow, they won't know anything is the matter. And from the EBU's perspective, that's good enough for them.

All I will say is that if he goes, people better hope any replacement will be better. They could be even more of a corporate stooge and bow down to the EBU bosses' every decision. It could be so much more worse....