ESC 2019 General Discussion Thread
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FilipFromSweden
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omg it hurts so badly that it's a whole year until the next Eurovision
anto475
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We've all been saying that since 2011 tbf
Yes, that is most likely the reason why. If I remember correctly they never uploaded the recap from SF1 2016 because of Iveta waving the Nagorno-Karabach flag...
Ezio
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There was another jury blunder. In the czech jury, the 69 year old jury member Jitka Zelenková, appears to have submitted her votes in reverse order.
She put Slovenia last, while all other jurors put Slovenia first in the semifinal. In the Grand Final she put Slovenia 6th.
This would mean Portugal loses 2 jury points, since Portugal was her "number 1" by mistake
https://eurovision.tv/event/tel-aviv-2019/first-semi-final/results/czech-republic
And due to this mistake,
lost 2 jury points
Belarus should not have been in the final, but Poland!
She put Slovenia last, while all other jurors put Slovenia first in the semifinal. In the Grand Final she put Slovenia 6th.
This would mean Portugal loses 2 jury points, since Portugal was her "number 1" by mistake
https://eurovision.tv/event/tel-aviv-2019/first-semi-final/results/czech-republic
And due to this mistake,
lost 2 jury points Belarus should not have been in the final, but Poland!
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There was another jury blunder. In the czech jury, the 69 year old jury member Jitka Zelenková, appears to have submitted her votes in reverse order.
She put Slovenia last, while all other jurors put Slovenia first in the semifinal. In the Grand Final she put Slovenia 6th.
This would mean Portugal loses 2 jury points, since Portugal was her "number 1" by mistake
https://eurovision.tv/event/tel-aviv-2019/first-semi-final/results/czech-republic
And due to this mistake,
Belarus should not have been in the final, but Poland!
I found it weird that the usually exceptionally unanimous Czech jury was actually more diverse this year - this would explain it
by the way, Zelenková is also the chairperson - how can we be confident the jury followed all the rules if she can't even submit the votes right? it seems like the EBU are causing a lot more controversies this year than Israel as people had expected
1 mistake is acceptable but 2, and also considering the one the Danish juror made in 2017 that could have nearly changed the winner. The EBU need to really pull themselves together and actually make sure these jurors know what they're doing. There are so questionable things going on this year, which is a shame as all in all It's been great and Israel have done well.
midnightsun
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I don’t know how the jurors submit their votes... probably via computer. But can’t they have an easy to understand graphic interface that asks them to rethink their votes and if they are REALLY correct?
hawadharma
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There was another jury blunder. In the czech jury, the 69 year old jury member Jitka Zelenková, appears to have submitted her votes in reverse order.
She put Slovenia last, while all other jurors put Slovenia first in the semifinal. In the Grand Final she put Slovenia 6th.
This would mean Portugal loses 2 jury points, since Portugal was her "number 1" by mistake
https://eurovision.tv/event/tel-aviv-2019/first-semi-final/results/czech-republic
And due to this mistake,
Belarus should not have been in the final, but Poland!
What a careless stupid b*tch.
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So, the new way of presenting the public vote, what is your guys opinions? I must admit, it did make it more unpredictable and thus more "exciting", but what's really troubling is that it also put all focus on the jury votes and it was painfully obvious with that was presented like a parenthesis although being the public winner. It shows a lack of respect to all the people who voted (as if EBU didn't disrespect us enough already!), I mean first they bring juries back, then the focus on voting becomes the jury part and now this? In the end it looked like those jury favs that the public didn't really care too much about in the end, and , were the "real deal" and the actual public winner didn't get any recognition what so ever.
that was presented like a parenthesis although being the public winner. It shows a lack of respect to all the people who voted (as if EBU didn't disrespect us enough already!), I mean first they bring juries back, then the focus on voting becomes the jury part and now this? In the end it looked like those jury favs that the public didn't really care too much about in the end, and , were the "real deal" and the actual public winner didn't get any recognition what so ever.Ezio
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Although I am not a fan of Norway, I also found it disrespectful. Their was too much focus on Sweden and North Macedonia and too little on Norway and Russia.
The focus on The Netherlands and Italy was about right, but I guess the old system would have brought more suspense between them, because it would not have been clear who won Eurovision.
The focus on The Netherlands and Italy was about right, but I guess the old system would have brought more suspense between them, because it would not have been clear who won Eurovision.
HayashiM
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Well, it's not entirely true that no-one knows. I knew the Netherlands won it the very moment they announced its points. It's not so difficult to do the maths and know there's not enough points left for, in this case, Sweden. I spent that minute of Jon's torture laughing.
Of course, you can do the math for the last song even with the older system. But it's almost impossible to be sure about the winner prior to that - which did happen with the new system.
nofuxCZ
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I don't think the new televoting presentation was THAT much exciting than the old one. I really hate that the focus is entirely on the jury votes now, completely taking away the spotlight from successful countries in the televote. I bet most people didn't even realize that Norway actually won the televote. It also conveniently hides the differences between the juries and televote. I really hope they bring back the 2016-2018 system.
Although humiliating for the artists, we got some meme/gif material at least
https://i.imgur.com/NQeg79z.gifv
Although humiliating for the artists, we got some meme/gif material at least
https://i.imgur.com/NQeg79z.gifv
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I mean I found the new system of presenting the votes really exciting, but if they're going to do it like this then stop being so obvious who does well and who does not in televote like I knew we were gonna do well in the televote once they put a camera on the Norwegian delegation and the host was like; "are you ready? because get ready because you received ..." and so I knew we would well - but would've been a savage moment if she built all the hype just to give us like 5 points like the UK lol 
So if they're going to do it this way I think they have to put cameras on people doing poorly like they somehow to a degree did, but then more frequently so it remains exciting
Personally I don't like when they do it ... poor John, Michela, Lake Malawi... Tamara handled it as a queen though
So if they're going to do it this way I think they have to put cameras on people doing poorly like they somehow to a degree did, but then more frequently so it remains exciting
Personally I don't like when they do it ... poor John, Michela, Lake Malawi... Tamara handled it as a queen though
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PED is not funny :-(
I miss the daily ESCUnited videos...
I miss the daily ESCUnited videos...
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I finally had time to take some time to write my opinions about the ESC 2019.
Overall I think KAN did a pretty bad job. I'm sorry, but it's true. I don't recall this amount of problems in an eurovision edition. Several delegations had problems, the live shows had a pretty average camerawork and lighting.
The postcards were fun and slightly different. Didn't love them but at least were different.
The hosts were average too, but I think that happens in every eurovision. I mean... after Petra and Manz it's really hard to find some really good hosts. Sweden please win again and blow us with an excellent eurovision edition (but this time with Portugal participating too, ok? Can we please be friends?).
One thing I enjoyed was the fact that KAN were rally out there with the whole gay scene of eurovision. So, if all of those closed minds around europe were doubting the gayness of eurovision (yes, I'm looking at you, belarussian commentator) there is none, now.
The results were really out there and some really unexpected, but I think we still need to have both televote and the jury. Yes the jury did some pretty shocking things like having Slovenia at 17th in the final, Spain at last place and Portugal at last place in it semi-final. I mean the song is not for everyone's taste but last place? Under Montenegro? That's just ridiculous. But at the same time they did give points to very good songs that didn't had the support from the Televote like Czech Republic and Greece (the latter in it's semi-final).
At the same time the televote also is essential. Norway wouldn't gone through and Netherlands was placed higher at the televote than with the jury. Both systems work, both have it's flaws, but both are needed.
And YES the way that the votes are presented are soooooo much better. I though they would suck, but they are amazing, and I actually thing that it's a way of showing that the public vote matters and it's the public vote that gives the final decision.
P.S.- PED is real, but not as harder that I though. I'm excited to see how things are going to work out next year
Overall I think KAN did a pretty bad job. I'm sorry, but it's true. I don't recall this amount of problems in an eurovision edition. Several delegations had problems, the live shows had a pretty average camerawork and lighting.
The postcards were fun and slightly different. Didn't love them but at least were different.
The hosts were average too, but I think that happens in every eurovision. I mean... after Petra and Manz it's really hard to find some really good hosts. Sweden please win again and blow us with an excellent eurovision edition (but this time with Portugal participating too, ok? Can we please be friends?).
One thing I enjoyed was the fact that KAN were rally out there with the whole gay scene of eurovision. So, if all of those closed minds around europe were doubting the gayness of eurovision (yes, I'm looking at you, belarussian commentator) there is none, now.
The results were really out there and some really unexpected, but I think we still need to have both televote and the jury. Yes the jury did some pretty shocking things like having Slovenia at 17th in the final, Spain at last place and Portugal at last place in it semi-final. I mean the song is not for everyone's taste but last place? Under Montenegro? That's just ridiculous. But at the same time they did give points to very good songs that didn't had the support from the Televote like Czech Republic and Greece (the latter in it's semi-final).
At the same time the televote also is essential. Norway wouldn't gone through and Netherlands was placed higher at the televote than with the jury. Both systems work, both have it's flaws, but both are needed.
And YES the way that the votes are presented are soooooo much better. I though they would suck, but they are amazing, and I actually thing that it's a way of showing that the public vote matters and it's the public vote that gives the final decision.
P.S.- PED is real, but not as harder that I though. I'm excited to see how things are going to work out next year
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I was really annoyed by this entire ESC season and I am glad its over. The NF season was just painful to watch - I guess fanfav-boycott was a theme as it also continued with the jury during the Grand Final.
I am glad that my two favs were also the top 2 but there were so many things wrong about this edition. Not only the lack of technical competence, the fuss and disaster surrounding Madonna and the issues with the jury vote - I also think that the new way of announcement makes more people look like losers than winners. It reminds me of how the Oscars are lately - so many upsets and unhappy faces. I appreciate a pluralism but why does it always have to look so much different from each other and consensus seems like not possible? And it's not like the jury is actually doing a good job in why they were actually brought back (to protect the progressive and interesting genres) but are actually more and more generic from year to year.
I am glad that my two favs were also the top 2 but there were so many things wrong about this edition. Not only the lack of technical competence, the fuss and disaster surrounding Madonna and the issues with the jury vote - I also think that the new way of announcement makes more people look like losers than winners. It reminds me of how the Oscars are lately - so many upsets and unhappy faces. I appreciate a pluralism but why does it always have to look so much different from each other and consensus seems like not possible? And it's not like the jury is actually doing a good job in why they were actually brought back (to protect the progressive and interesting genres) but are actually more and more generic from year to year.